Dan And Phil Are Neither Divorced, Nor Married, But A Secret Third Thing That Is Beyond Human Comprehension

dan and phil are neither divorced, nor married, but a secret third thing that is beyond human comprehension

I’m not a big believer in astrology, but that secret relationship part is freaky. Anything else it says about them that’s particularly interesting?

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holy shit is there EVER.. dan and phil’s birth charts/writeups are so fucking wild and eerily accurate there’s literally no way to cover it all in a single post. like, their birth charts accurately describe all of who they are as people, their relationships with their families, and the fact that both of them prefer to live outside of conventional expectations and have control over their own primarily creative/communicative career (youtube, anybody?). like, there’s so much going on. but! here’s a few highlights and i can also link you to their full birth chart writeups, too

phil’s birth chart: “They fully expect others to accept them exactly as they are, or they don’t have much use for them in their lives.”

phil, in his coming out video, talking about unaccepting people in your life: “In my experience they can come around, but if they can’t, unfortunately there might not be room for them in your life until they can.”

dan’s birth chart: “Sensual, the world of touch and smell is most appealing to you.”

dan: obsessed with scented candles, loves soft things

dan’s birth chart also: “They will learn how to be happy in love, to be at ease with themselves and to control their jealousy or gain more assurance and sense of self-worth in the second half of their life, possibly thanks to a mature person, who helps them learn to trust.“

that’s like uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so creepily similar to how dan has talked about phil especially in his coming out video and like????? 

the point is the stars are gay for dan and phil!!!!!!

Sometimes I think about how stressful and terrible 2012 was at times for Dan & Phil. They were so young and were thrown into something they never anticipated when something so, so private was released into the public. My heart aches thinking about it. But then I think about how it only made them stronger are a duo. Anyways- does the way that whole moment paned out make sense with their zodiac signs and all that? I find it superrr interesting!

2012 breaks my fucking heart; it always has and always will. i’ve been outed before on a much smaller scale so to think about the trauma/retramatization that resulted in for dnp is just. horrifying.

it does make sense with their astrology, but i’m not comfortable talking about the impact it had without mentioning how seriously awful a situation that was; a lot of the way dan and phil responded to being outed was trauma responses, and we can look at and talk about their behavior through the lens of astrology but it’s so important to remember that they’re real people and that the most accurate way to describe their actions at the time was as trauma responses.

that said, yeah, it does make sense. 

dan’s gemini & leo combined with cancer asc. & capricorn placements leaves him really vulnerable to how others percieve him, as does his trauma history, and that meant that he responded by fighting very hard to control the way people saw him and not let anybody down/be disliked by anybody. in doing that he lost touch to a degree with what he wanted and how he wanted to be seen/his own self image, and god that has to have sucked; his main response to the trauma of being outed was “do anything it takes to be safe and being safe is being liked/respected”. dan thrives the best when he’s secure and able to be a role model to others, but he still super gets caught up in smaller details/wanting to appease everyone, and that’s absolutely connected to how traumatic his existence in the public sphere has been over time.

phil’s all air and fire, so he was less externally emotional & engaged less with the situation; he was more behind the scenes. “angry phil dm” is a joke in the fandom at this point but it’s in response to the way phil manages keeping his public image the way he wants it to be and maintaining a feeling of security. phil being firm and serious about boundaries behind the scenes creates structure and safety, and phil playing the role of young/silly/likeable in public while being incredibly serious, intelligent and hardworking behind the scenes is ALSO a trauma response. phil ignoring the situation unless actionable / playing a role that everyone would love is both escapism and fawn, and absolutely can be seen in his dominant air & fire placements. it’s a fight for privacy. sagittariuses and aquariuses both hate being percieved, and that’s most of what phil’s got going on. 

saw someone say they think the “we are real life best friends. companions through life. like actual soulmates,” quote was sarcasm….

pls say this is a joke i refuse to believe or even think that

Okay but what about compatibility-wise? Everyone talks about how compatible dnp are but idk where to find this info myself (or how to decipherit for that matter lol). But i figured i would ask you cause you seem pretty passionate about it!

hi b! i just got a few super helfpul asks on the subject of synastry (which is new for me!) if you wanna check out my dnp astrology tag, but i'm also super happy to give u a rundown of what i already know/how i look at compatibility in my own, cobbled-together, absolutely not expert way!

a lot of the astrological learning i've done is thru cafeastrology.com; they have a free birth chart calculator tool, and if you google "dan howell birth chart" or "phil lester birth chart" you should be able to get the info necessary to run their charts (time and location of birth) from other websites! (i like astrotheme, they do cool things with graphs). the time/place of birth info is also availible in tabinof, too! and if you don't have a copy, send me an ask abt phandom archives of content, bc it is availible online.

cafeastrology lets you run the compatibility of any charts you make, so i've looked at dnp's compatibility that way before! with online birth chart/compatibility reports, it tells you every single thing that may be a result of a person or couple's chart(s), so sometimes (especially in birth charts) you'll get like, 8 different aspects in someone's chart that say they're diplomatic and friendly in interpersonal relationships and a single aspect that says they're combative and abraisive in the same scenario.

SO when that kind of thing happens, the single trait that's contrary to the vast majority of the chart can be cancelled out, or only show up under certain circumstances - basically, astrology can be confusing and not every single sentence in a birth chart or compatibility write-up is gonna be dead accurate, but the ones that aren't will be directly contrasted by the ones that are super accurate / repeat themselves throughout the chart.

the reason i can understand charts at all is because ya bitch has adhd and has run a ridiculous number of charts! usually digital birth chart calculators will explain what all of the chart means, and the more charts yoy read the easier it is to understand parts of what's going on just by looking at the chart itself. cafeastrology's compatibility grid really helped me understand things better, too.

solutionastrology & astro-seek also have pretty good compatibility calculators, too!

all that said, dan and phil's compatibilty is like ... it's fucking beautiful, yall. they both have air signs for their sun/moon/mercury, something that both probably makes them feel farther apart from everyone else that they know and understood by each other/connected to eachother in a really deep, unique, meaningful way.

as a gay in a relationship with someone of the same element as me? (in my case, earth/earth), the ways that sharing an element with your partner manifests is in like... you have a really similar way of seeing the world, and processing information, and similar priorities - but, because you're not the same exact sign, you and your partner see different parts of the same picture, and you both constantly are within your comfort zone together while also expanding each other's way of seeing the world and strengthening one another's approach in every endeavor you take on.

but like, as air signs who often are associated with thought and conceptual matters dnp are like... like they genuinely exist in a universe where it's just the two of them and their love for eachother? they could be alone together in a room full of people in the loveliest possible way.

i think i've said this elsewhere before, too, but phil keeps dan from sinking, and dan keeps phil from disconnecting. a weakness of dan's from his chart can be getting trapped in too much thinking, and having his thoughts run away from him in a bad way; phil's chart makes it pretty clear that it's altogether too easy for him to disconnect and isolate from others. they both are able to like. keep the other grounded, though? dan being an anchor-point for phil, so that he doesn't float away from connection, and phil being a buoy for dan so he doesn't sink. it's like. they create a perfect equilibrium?

they also both have a lot of fire in their charts, which, a) that means their love is very equally passionate bc of their venus/mars placements, and b) it means that they also, in each other, have a partner who balances them out by being the direct opposite to their sign? a lot of compatibility calculator websites say that your sister sign (the sign 6 months away from your own, earth is paired with water and air with fire) is a sign you will have conflict with &that you shouldn't date.

however, in my experience? having a healthy close relationship with someone who is of your sister sign is one of the most grounding and beautiful relationships, romantic or otherwise. i know a gemini/sagittarius couple that's like, wicked in love and good for each other, and my best friend is a scorpio which is sister signs with taurus. being close to someone with the opposite sign to your own helps you work through your weaknesses and flaws and have a more open, balanced way of engaging with the world!

so, the huge amount of sagittarius in phil's chart balancing dan's gemini combined with the significant leos in dan's chart that balance out phil's aquarius genuinely like.. leaves me speechless. i didn't think it was possible for two people to have both the compatibility of being the same element and of being sister signs, but that's what dan and phil have. they're literally each other's comfort and home and safety, while also being one another's strongest support and most loving critic, a compass for each other pointing towards a healthy, fulfilling, happy future that they worked hard (together)to acchieve.

i love them and their love. the stars are just, gay for dan and phil. and their love isn't just incredible because it was ~fated~ or something, their love is genuinely inspiring and gorgeous because even if the stars made this all possible, they chose each other. they choose each other every single day, and that's why their love exists. that's how they've made it this far, and i'm just? honestly in awe, yall.

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