People In This Fandom Who Are Staunchly Against "shipping" Any Of The Guys With Each Other Annoy Me To

People in this fandom who are staunchly against "shipping" any of the guys with each other annoy me to no end. Especially because they come across as so smug and superior for not being "delulu" enough to believe any of the guys might not be heterosexual or *gasp* in a relationship with each other. They see "shippers" or in our case supporters, as the laughing stock of the fandom and I truly wonder if they realize how homophobic they come across.

Why is it okay for people to speculate on whether the youngest kardashian is back together with her baby daddy and collect clues to figure out if she's pregnant but it's not okay to go hmmmm, it looks like something's going on between jikook, lemme look a little deeper. Why treat us like outcasts? I get doing that for shippers who take it too far and directly involve the guys in it like taekookers who commented all that mess under Jimin's comments recently.

But that's not the reason they hate us.

Months ago my whole twitter timeline was having a ball trying to figure out if ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez were in fact back together because of rumors and a few pictures. Nobody was laughing at them. Nobody thought they were "weird" for any of this.

So while I understand some people not getting why we would think any of the guys are queer or dating each other, I absolutely hate the ones who seek to laugh us out of the fandom based on their homophobic world view.

Just had to get that off my chest 😭

Yeah.

What I keep hearing is: "you can't assume their sexuality".

That's a good one for me, because, as far as I can see, isn't the outright denial that there could be a relationship between two male band members assuming their sexuality?????

And also, the outright denial there could actually be a romantic relationship between two members of the same band. Really? Never heard of before, was it?

No doubt - Gwen Stefani & Tom Dumont.

Fleetwood mac - Stevie Nicks was in a relationship with Lindsey Buckingham and had an affair with Mick Fleetwood. Same band Christine Mcvie and Jhon Mcvie were married, later divorced.

Abba - Agnetha Fältskog and Björn Ulvaeus married then divorced & Benny Andersson and Anni-Frid "Frida" Lyngstad married then divorced.

There are plenty more, even in K-pop, heaven help us.

Former Triple H members HyunA & Dawn are a clear example.

And a little digging (no deep digging really needed here) brought me even more earth shattering information. That there were even gay couples, OMG, in K-pop bands.

Seungho & B.Nish from DIP being one of those couples, and funny thing is how low and behold, there were signs and suspicions before the truth came out.

So, no, it's definitely not unheard of that people that spend many hours together, create music together, work together, let alone live together (K-pop), become romantically involved and fall in love.

It can happen in co-ed bands and god forbid in all male or all female bands.

Not willing to see this, ruling it out all together, that comes from nothing else than homophobia. No other explanation.

We are not delusional. We see signs. Signs for something that is possible and plausible. Ruling it out completely as something impossible that's being delusional.

Re JK's Hickey

I don't know what else you want me to say dear. Pass judgment all you want as to whether it was a good call to publish a content of that nature or not.

To me it is what it is.

But understand also that if you do question it all you'd be questioning a company that puts out content like this:

Or even this

Let's not forget this moment

Which was a still taken behind the scenes unscripted and not part of the roll and probably with permission from them.

This moment exists too

Now this was a little bit scripted but notice the roles they cast Jikook in?

Why was Jimin the one asked to flirt with JK? Didn't Hobi ask JM why he was looking at JK that way? And JM said he was asked to act that way to put pressure on JK and make him feel slightly flustered or sommin?

This moment shook the phone off Jin

And this was a highlight reel of a decade.

Do you see the camera lights flashing to capture that intense gaze of Jungkook's as he slowly melts upon realizing JM's intentions??

Bighit has always shared glimpses into Jikook's relationship- albeit gradually- and have always preferred to cast them in a certain way with a certain rhetoric and narrative to go with it.

They are never casted as bestfriends the way Vmin are and yet we know they are. There's always that obscurity, shrouded in mystery yet very much accessible it leaves room for interpretation.

On Ko-fi we talked about this. About how putting out like this helps demystify Jikook, normalize their behavior, put Bighit in charge of the narrative, and deter any self proclaimed celebrity buster who might think they have dirt on them because they've been sniffing their underwear from the trash can.

It's very Olivia Pope esque but also tried and true. Justin's team did it too. If you can't get behind it, get ahead of it.

I'm pretty sure any rogue staff who thinks they have dirt on Jikook cos they showed up on set one time with a hickey looks pretty dumb right about now.

It's not tea if BigHit themselves be spilling.

A bunch of 1yr olds throwing tantrums on the internet because their idols aren't allowing them fulfill their Y/N fantasies isn't backlash.

Backlash is when shit affects their business and goodwill. Any other thing is a nuisance and nothing a frivolous law suit won't fix.

I think BigHit is more open to suing Leticia473 than telling their high profile talents to frown around eachother.

Taking a break and disengaging for a while helps.

I am not one to simp for a multi billion conglomerate so I say burn bighit if they are doing all this to exploit the boy's relationship with no regards to their safety and mental health.

But I'd say too if anyone can beat down the barriers and push back against the homophobia prevalent within the fandom its Bighit and BTS with strategies like this.

The so called backlash is that voice that says you can't love who you love or do this and that with that person.

So I guess to me this nothing new honestly.

Like Bang explained to Jo Kwon, they can make a dent but it will take a while.

People need to get used to Jikook.

Let's show them as much love as we can whenever they drop content. The support we have for them must drown out the haters.

Love you.

Happy birthday 💜💜

GOLDY

Hello kanmom

I'm going through a big dilemma right now. I'm from a conservative country and this whole being gay or gay relationships are new for me. But the thing I see between jikook is love which is so pure and something not everyone is lucky to have. So I'm very much supporting them not minding whether it's right or wrong.

But as I said, I'm coming from a place where everyone surrounding me thinks it's something against nature, should not happen or is worst than crime. They don't know about Jikook but when being gay is brought up all thinks it's a joke and something not worthy enough and they are not the level of the superior straights. My very educated friends, my parents and almost everyone thinks so.

When they are being homophobic I sometimes react and they feel offended saying 'why am I too concerned about some person not at all connected with me'. I'm feeling offended not because I'm attached to the person they are making fun of, but because of Jimin and Jk. I love them very much and I know people will similarly judge them and makes fun of them which makes me so sad. After hearing this from many places now I'm feeling like ' am I the wrong one here ?' Is it really as bad as people make it to be and judge them to be. Am I too blinded by Jimin and jungkook to not to see the negative side of being gay.

If there was nothing wrong in being gay then why most of population is against it ? If it was the same love in gay relationship then why people feels digusted by it ? I really don't know.

Hello anon. I feel for you. And I understand the struggle you are going through.

This is not an easy subject to talk about. And this post, it’s gonna be a little on the heavy side, readers be warned.

For the sake of this ask alone I will be talking about homosexuality and only homosexuality.  

I will also want to open by saying that perceptions are changing anon.  Even if they haven’t started to in your neck of the woods, they are in many other countries.

There are many religious people that do think differently, that don’t perceive homosexuality as a sin.

Pope Francis has weighed on it, saying that he thinks that same sex couples should be allowed to have recognized civil unions:

"Homosexual people have a right to be in a family...They are children of God and have a right to a family. Nobody should be thrown out or made miserable over it...What we have to create is a civil union law. That way they are legally covered.”

Sadly, even after saying the above, nothing has been done to change the church’s official position that homosexuality is a sin.

I'm not a religious person, never have been. I believe that the basis of religions may be positive, well some of it: love thy neighbour, respect your parents, be a good person, but the religious establishments, the power they seek and possess over the people, that is so wrong, in my opinion.  

And the views against homosexuality, well that comes exactly from those places. Control and power over the people.

Homosexuality anon, is part of nature, and happens in many species of animals. Homosexuality, attraction to men, is not a choice, it's something you are born with. 

There are so many articles and papers written by actual scientists on the matter.  All you need do is google it.

The Conversation

Stop calling it a choice: Biological factors drive homosexuality

A new study of nearly 500,000 individuals finds that many genes affect same-sex behavior, including newly identified candidates that may reg

And it most definitely isn't a sin or dirty or wrong. It's just different. Being attracted to men rather than women is different, different than what most men are attracted to, as part of natures plan for procreation. And human society deeming it as wrong, as sinful, not allowed, well that is part of said control I was talking about - a man shall not waste their sperm, which is meant for procreation.

We find this in the bible, the holly book that set up the rules and laws for a new GROWING society, the Hebrews. There was kind of a logical reason for setting said rules in place. When you are trying to build a society, you want it to multiply and grow. 

And having to set said rules, laws, well that kind of teaches you something else anon, something that we can also find in art and writings from said period and after - homosexuality, m/m sex, it was something that was definitely happening at the time, if there was a need to outlaw it.

Setting these laws was not only to ensure procreation and growth of the society, but also to set them apart from other cultures and societies at that time.

The bible, Judaism, well that was the first of the 3 monotheistic religions and their beliefs were the basis for Christianity and Islam.

People think it’s a sin, say it’s dirty, because that’s what they have been told for so many years.  

And please don’t get me going on the sexual abuse, including by men of the cloth (from every single religion) towards young boys.  Men that have no problem to abuse their power and abuse young innocent children.  Same men that will stand up and in the sermon call out homosexuality.

Let’s talk about the 10 commandments, the 10 basic laws god gave upon humans, the 10 commandments that both Jews and Christians should abide by are:

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.

Honor your father and your mother.

You shall not kill.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.

These are the 10 big no-nos. Of which too many people, religious people, people that call homosexuality dirty and wrong and a sin, disobey. They steal from others, they cheat, they lie, they covet, omg do they covet what isn't theirs.

Another no no, one that finds it’s place in the bible, is that a man shall not waste their sperm (hence homosexuality being a sin).  But masturbation is most definitely considered a sin as well.  How about that?  How many of said men calling homosexuality a sin haven’t masturbated during their lives?

And yet, all these ‘sinners’ find it in them to bare judgement over 2 men that find love in each other?

2 consenting adults, regardless of their sex, being together, doing whatever they are doing together, without hurting anyone else - why is that a sin?  Why is that wrong or dirty?  

There are things that have been done in the name of god, that are beyond wrong or sinful.  Witch hunts, the crusades, the inquisition...

Me saying that those speaking in the name of god aren’t always right.  

So, to sum this nice little Ted talk, religions deeming something as wrong doesn't necessarily make it so, ahm. There are many rules and laws created by said religions that are being questioned now days, some accepted, some not.

And now to you being the odd one out, the one that thinks differently than the others, that's not an easy cross to bare (and I am using that reference on purpose here).  But you see, being the odd one out, the one to call out on society doing something wrong, while everyone else is doing that said thing, or everyone else believes otherwise, well, that most definitely doesn’t make you wrong.

There have been so many people over history that have stood up, called out cultures, societies, the religious establishment for their wrong doings.  They were the odd ones out, but history taught us that even though they were alone or in a minority, at the end of the day they were right.

Galileo - he paid with his freedom for it.  But he was right, not the church, not the majority.  He was considered a heretic for his views, his beliefs, that turned out to be the actual physical truth.

So anon, you being the odd one out, you being able to see that love is love is love...that might make you the odd one out, but it most definitely does not make you the wrong one !!!

Agreed 100%

I really liked your post about Jimin and the misconceptions a large part of the fandom have about him. I’d like to add one, feel free to disagree : "Jimin is effeminate". A lot of Armys perceive him as this super feminine guy in an almost exaggerated way. Warning: there’s absolutely nothing wrong in being a very feminine guy!! But the way I see him, I think he both has a very masculine side and a more feminine one. I find him very manly in the way he behaves and speaks sometimes, and sometimes he has this exquisite delicacy that is seen as feminine. I think he’s a very beautiful balance of masculinity and femininity. Same for for Jungkook. I actually find him to be more dainty and delicate most of the time (not that it is a competition anyway). There’s also a lot of misconceptions about our Jungkookie!

Opinions.

The queer baiting discussion is forever wild to me.

1, SK is sadly a deeply homophobic country, the thought that the big entertainment companies are writing gay fanservice scripts to squeeze a few dollars out of queer fans when I’m sure they’d rather not acknowledge they even exist is absolutely ludicrous.

2, Close, bordering on homo-romantic (to a foreign lens) friendships are common among young Koreans up to a certain age. The fact that k-pop stars grow up in an isolate bubble tend to extend those close bonds into adulthood. It’s not on them that foreign eyes read something else into it.

3, What western eyes read as queer baiting is generally elaborate y/n scenarios. (These are the things they sometimes do in skits on stage or in official content. Never the stuff they do backstage in their own time.) You’re not supposed to imagine the stars fucking behind closed doors, you are supposed to imagine that one of them is you. Again, these things are created for a local audience where any other read but straight would be uncommon. The intended audience knows the rules of the game, foreign audiences do not.

4, Idols are real people with real relationship, if they consistently read as queer to you maybe there is a reason for that. “Fanservice” is different shapes and forms occur in planned skits and official content. They don’t perform fanservice in their private time behind the scenes.

5, It is unfair to dismiss all expressions of queer love/closeness as queer baiting because these idols have very very limited opportunities to express themselves if they really are queer. They will most likely never be able to come out, not without ruining both their career and the careers of everyone who depend on them.

Amen to every single word anon.

What do u think if this momemt? https://twitter.com/keeponlovingv/status/1424354697981300737?s=21 I didn’t believe tkkers before when they said stuff intervene between them or suggest to behave...I think I’m hallucinating but now I kinda see what tkkers mean by that ..I didn’t know that I would say that ever...

Lmao hun. Where is the separation? That is a super cute clip of taekook, taekooking and being adorable. The staff says something, it looks like Kookie walks over to the side to hear them a bit better, then immediately goes back to his spot at Tae's side. Then he grabs onto him again and giggles and claps on his chest. Where is the separation? What were they doing wrong? And if they didn't want TK to be interacting on camera, why would they tell them on camera and leave it in the clip where they said to not interact? Wouldn't that make things more sus if they were trying to "hide a couple"? The logic is lacking all sense of actual logic....

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As for Kookies face. That's literally just his face. He wasn't being scolded. He was just there existing. Same for Namjoon. He didn't look irritated, he was just standing there. No one is separating taekook. And yes, I would say the same thing if this was a clip of Jikook or any other duo. This is not a case of a duo being separated. Especially because there is no separation.... lol and all the comments are just speculations over what Staff said to make JK walk away for .2 seconds. All saying things like obviously staff were telling him to stop touching Tae. None of them know and are just saying things to feed into their fantasy. If the staff told him not to be touchy with Tae, why would he go back to him and then rub all over his chest? That's kinda the opposite of what they were saying isn't it? Also, the staff don't care that much, I promise. They aren't keeping any of the boys apart.

It's important to remember that if you are going to be insecure over jikook, taekook should be the duo you should NEVER be insecure about. They are the only duo who has confirmed multiple times that they are not romantically or sexually involved and have actively shut down their shippers. Literally nothing else should matter, they have said and confirmed that they are friends and friends only.