HATERS AND ANTIS

HATERS AND ANTIS

Some basic definitions 👇👇👇👇

(get comfortable🪑🪑🪑🪑)

Listen....in this world some people are triggered, absolutely triggered, by anything or anyone beyond their troglodyte-regressed comprehension skills.

When you encounter them, report and walk away. It isn't worth your time to engage them.

https://www.usbtsarmy.com/tutorials/report-malicious-posts/#email

Some people are really out here getting PAID to write sh!t posts about people they've never met....I can't say I know what it's like to be in their position, taking money to be an awful person online, so I can thank my lucky stars I'm not in such a moral predicament. I sometimes wonder if it's a job they love or a job born of necessity. 😩

Some people have had bad experiences in life and they take that out on people they don't personally know. (This isn't me doing an analysis on anyone. This is me regurgitating what people who have studied longer on this topic have said.) They've met someone who they thought the sun shined out of their a$$ and got burnt by it and now every time they see a sun they think it's completely dark on the other side.

I fail to see (and you might too because this next paragraph is convoluted 🙏) how in one breath they question just how genuine this particular group member is by believing in posts from other anons (who had to probably buy the information so they think it's valid, but it's just specious) who don't even know if the information they're posting is accurate and also taking little tidbits of partial moments or conversations between members & this group member that were joking or otherwise and calling the people they support super direct & super genuine, but also not believing them the other times they've praised this person they hate on for being so wonderful. It doesn't follow logic. They ignore all the hugs, kisses, kind words, thoughtful interactions, and thank you's over all the years between all the members just to point out.....what exactly...??? That they don't believe that all those interactions were genuine??? That they don't believe all those interactions happen off camera too or something???? After saying the people they support are the most genuine??? And they interact with this person...that they don't...think??? Is??? Genuine??? Even??? Off???? Camera???? 💀 Nah fr fr....it IS so much easier to just listen to the members and believe what they say instead of twisting things around to match some preconceived idea of who a person is based on the insanely small amounts of time we get to see them on camera. Why are they stanning a group (or member) that's promoted as genuine if they don't think they're genuine??? And that honestly means they're all genuine or they're all NOT genuine because what we do see of them is the only thing we can actually make theories about. And what we see if them on camera and what they've explained to us about what they do off camera is that they all love each other to pieces.

So we can pretty much categorize taekookers under this category too. They do it for different reasons but they definitely are the type not to believe what their eyes see, but they still see it so they lash out against a particular person and a particular agency. Some are brainwashed. Some can't leave the community they feel comfortable in. Some are addicted to the feeling of looking for the wrongs in the world and being a savior of this one group of people. Some do it because it adds what they think is a measure of control to their lives. There's various reasons and it's all being heavily studied right now due to the Q-anon conspiracy theorists. Flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, government conspiracy theorists, religious fundamentalists, N@zis, people that deny the moon landing...etc...they're all using the same fallacy pitfalls. And it's possible that people who fall under one category are more likely to be predisposed to fall under the others. It's makes them kinda like ticking time 💣. The more their lies are proven to be unfounded, the more loss of control they feel or the more pressure they feel to "take drastic actions to become the savior of the story." That's how we got January 6th in America, September 11, 2001, April 19, 1995 in Oklahoma....and how that Weverse post happened.

They aren't the crusaders they think they are and everything they see, hear, touch, interact with in regards to the members gets placed through this inaccurate filter first. And I mean EVERYTHING. 😩

Do not, under any circumstances, underestimate how dangerous this group can become if they feel pushed hard enough. This Weverse post happened over a "bite" that had happened months before the fandom even found out about it.

Then you have this group: they jealous 🙃

They want what they can't have and they want it badly enough that they act irrationally and emotionally instead of with empathy, logic, understanding, clarity, humanity...this list can go on and on. They'll still be jealous at the end of the day. 💅

Now....this other category of haters is the one that we do tend to see a lot of on social media. Let me preface by saying there's no such thing as "normal" in this world. We're all humans existing on a spectrum of existing/surviving/thriving...and whatever coping methods we've learned along the way to do that. So this group aren't well-adjusted individuals (again, who among us really is?). They seek out people they perceive as weaker so they can feel better about themselves (does this particular post of mine qualify???🤔). They have figured out different cues that they try to exploit in others so that they can feel smarter, stronger, in charge, more powerful, in control....these people target others in the fandom by going after the members or they target the members because, again, they aren't healthy humans. Therapy would help them. Yeah, I said it.

And this last group....the use of homophobic or other derogatory language....they're either part of the power-control group...or they're straight up homophobes or with internalized misogyny. They've identified someone as a "target" and have labeled them as "other" or "weaker" (mind you how well JM can kick our butts) therefore worthy of their scorn and hate and negativity. They've dehumanized a whole human! It doesn't matter to them what the other person feels or thinks or if their assumptions about that person are even correct. They don't care. Again, report and block these people. They don't just need therapy, they need intensive deprogramming and exposure and love and support to come out of the well of negativity they're currently drowning in.

This anon feature really gives this hatred such an outlet we'd never experience outside of the internet. And yeah, I'm gonna call them out right here:

Did you see that BigHit email address above?

Let me link it for you here 💜

Go ahead and report yourself. Go ahead and present your case in court if you feel so absolutely convinced of your moral and correct assumptions that you'd tell a person to their face all of the disgusting and abhorrent comments you've ever written about them under anon. Do it.

I. Dare. You.

BH has my face, my email, and my home address. I'm not worried about a thing coming back on me. Anti, can you say the same?

My brother reacts to GCF in Tokyo

SPOILER ALERT: he fell in love with Park Jimin and it got deep.

“Why now?” you might think. I wanted to talk about GCFt, but I don’t really have nothing new to add to what’s already been said.

Then my mind came up with something 👉👈

I remember a very famous post about GCFt. It consisted of an interview with a film director, asking him about his take on GCF in Tokyo. Very intesting and informative. You probably have read it, it was e v e r y w h e r e.

I, on the contrary, have my older brother who:

1) is not an expert in the field but loves music and films and knows a little about production and editing.

2) doesn’t have any interest in K-pop or BTS. Needless to say about KM and their trip to Tokyo. He knows I like their music and that they exist, tho. I’ve showed him some MVs and songs before. 

I had to convice him to react to it and that was a hard task. Our relationship is pretty much like this: (I compromised my well being)

WARNING: I won’t lie, I knew he was going to live up to my expectations. He has always been a very smart and sensitive man. He is pretty much my role model in life. And he knew I was going to share his opinions with you.

I didn’t explain to him anything. I thought it would be way more interesting if he took the iniciative and did the questions. It turned out pretty great.

We didn’t talk much during the 3 minutes and 42 seconds it lasted. I didn’t watch the video at all, I just looked at my brother’s face and reactions. I had an amazing time watching him react to one of my favourite videos on the internet. 

He really enjoyed the song (he kept nodding his head following the beat), and I could see him getting surprised by JK’s editing choices. He said “this guy is very pretty” (referring to Jimin) twice. 

When the video finished he stared at the credits. 

-”JK” -he gave me the phone-. Who is he in BTS?

-His whole name is Jungkook -I showed him a picture and he instantly nodded. “I remember him”. 

-What do you think about it?

I swear to god I expected everything but this answer.

-It’s a pretty sad video. 

Then he proceeded to explain to me why he thought so. He said that it had a nostalgic vibe. “Are they still in touch right now? Did he leave the band or something? When was this made?”.

When I explained to him that it was a trip they did together a year ago during their free time, he frowned. “It’s like the video we made for Laura before she moved out to Portugal, I feel like this is a goodbye”.

-Why would you think that?

This is when things got interesting. I have to admit I was acting pretty defensive (he was giving me an answer I was NOT expecting/ I didn’t agree with) and my brother just wanted to be right (we’ve had arguments about the least important things and they could last days).

-I’ve finished the video with a very clear feeling on my mind, but I don’t really remember where they went.

-I do. They had dinner, they went to Disney Land -I said, restarting the video. 

We watched it again lol. My brother said that it seemed like JK wanted to remember and, at the same time, forget. He continued:

-And the video atmosphere doesn’t match his attitude (talking about Jimin). He is smiling and laughing the whole time, he doesn’t seem to think the same about the trip. 

We talked about this particular thing a lot. My brother added some interesting ideas: “It doesn’t make sense to me the fact that he edited this video the same year they did the trip. If you hadn’t told me that, I would have thought they made the trip five years ago… The way he edited it shows he was already missing those times…”.

-He just wants to show us his point of view. How he wants us to see Jimin -I said.

My brother shook his head. 

-I think it’s the opposite thing. It’s like he is showing us this is the person he sees. Not us. Only him. 

-Why do you think he posted the video then?

He laughed.

-Maybe he wants the world to know that he has privileges? (this was my brother’s best moment IN LIFE)

Then, while I was writing this, I’ve noticed that I don’t remember how we ended our conversation. I’ve texted him, asking if he wanted to say something else (his final conclusions). “Make it pretty, tato. It’s going to be the end of the post”. This was his reply:

“I loved it. Specially Disney Land’s part. It was like remembering a very good childhood memory. Watching a truly happy moment through the darkest shade of blue.”

Well… what do you think about my brother’s take on GCFt? Be nice, he is my brother after all… 

Adiós. 

Below is a wonderfully edifying submission from @tell-me-everything. My comments are at the end in italics.

I get very frustrated when I see casual social media posts or analysis videos claiming to know exactly what Jungkook is feeling based on his body language or his facial expressions, and I feel like a lot of the harmful stereotypes and misinformation within the fandom come from these posts that are essentially based on guesswork. We never know exactly what is going on inside a person’s head, and we’re all just making our best guesses based on our own experiences and preconceptions about people.

So I wanted to write up a few examples of ways that I as an autistic person might read JK’s body language differently based on my own experiences and those of my close friends of other neurotypes. And I thought this blog might be a good place to share this. I’m not trying to say that Jungkook actually is neurodivergent in any particular way. However, he does have some behaviors that I relate to and that I think might be misinterpreted, so I want to provide some alternative explanations. I may be preaching to the choir by submitting this on Tumblr, but oh well, here we go.

1. Indirect Eye Contact

Something that really gets my goat (and the reason I decided to write this submission) is how the fandom often interprets the way JK stares off into space or at another person or at the ground.

Neurotypical people tend to prioritize eyes as “windows to the soul,” and they often assume that the direction in which the eyes are pointed is where the person’s attention is pointed. For neurodiverse people, that is often not the case. 

There are two big reasons for this: First, eye contact is very overwhelming for many people, so they will process information better while looking away. Second, many neurodiverse people have different types of audio processing difficulties, so in the chaos of a conversation or a lecture, or a concert, the person might have to “turn off” their eyes for a bit in order to focus all of their effort on listening. Some people describe this as “seeing the sounds,” where they even create their own subtitles for what is being said or try to visualize the content in some other way.

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Alyssa ❣️ on TikTok

Please just report and block the account. Tags for exposure: #straykids#skz#kpop#kpopfyp#bts#ateez#enhypen#twice

Why?  Why?  Why?

Stray Kids, a fourth generation band from JYP, have made a little piece of history of their own and topped the Billboard chart with their new album ‘Oddinary’.

Good for them!!!

Their success should be celebrated, not berated, including by Army.

There is no competition here, and it’s sad that there are ‘Army’ that feel there is.

Although I don’t love all of their music (I do definitely like some of their songs though), I do appreciate STZ, and personally love  the two Aussies in the band, one of whom was unafraid to admit his attraction to men (now being used against him in these disgusting comments - homophobic much?).

I would like to ask all those supposed Army that are on a crusade badmouthing STZ - what did Stray Kids ever do to BTS other than idolise them to deserve this reaction?

Bangchan just a couple of weeks ago praised JK, saying he looks at him as a role model even though they are the same age.  He has spoken in the past about his love for JK’s Euphoria and Stay too, and how JK is an incredible person.

Lee Know used to be a backup dancer for them, like for the whole Wings tour, and has mentioned on multiple occasions he’s Army.

Why can’t you love and support a band without attacking other artists?

Do these Army think so little of BTS that they need them to bad mouth other successful artists?

I can’t help but wonder the ethnicity of said Army.  Is this a racial thing?  Are BTS the good pet Koreans?  They’re ok.  But any other Korean band shouldn’t be allowed BTS’s success?

So, this is what I have to say to anyone who calls themselves Army and then proceeds to act this way (and I am talking about any kind of bad mouthing or belittling another band’s accomplishments) - 

You are no Army.

BTS as a band, and every single member of the band would not stand for such behaviour.  This is not what BTS stand for, definitely not their message, and they sure don’t need any fans of theirs to belittle other band’s accomplishments in order to upraise their own.  

Being Army means loving and supporting BTS, not hating others.

No one has accomplished what BTS have, but if they do, one day, well good for them.  BTS are the trailblazers, and we as Army should be proud of them and support them on their journey, whatever it may be.  Supporting them , by no means, means attacking other artists, their character, talent or accomplishments.

Grow up!!!

People in this fandom who are staunchly against "shipping" any of the guys with each other annoy me to no end. Especially because they come across as so smug and superior for not being "delulu" enough to believe any of the guys might not be heterosexual or *gasp* in a relationship with each other. They see "shippers" or in our case supporters, as the laughing stock of the fandom and I truly wonder if they realize how homophobic they come across.

Why is it okay for people to speculate on whether the youngest kardashian is back together with her baby daddy and collect clues to figure out if she's pregnant but it's not okay to go hmmmm, it looks like something's going on between jikook, lemme look a little deeper. Why treat us like outcasts? I get doing that for shippers who take it too far and directly involve the guys in it like taekookers who commented all that mess under Jimin's comments recently.

But that's not the reason they hate us.

Months ago my whole twitter timeline was having a ball trying to figure out if ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez were in fact back together because of rumors and a few pictures. Nobody was laughing at them. Nobody thought they were "weird" for any of this.

So while I understand some people not getting why we would think any of the guys are queer or dating each other, I absolutely hate the ones who seek to laugh us out of the fandom based on their homophobic world view.

Just had to get that off my chest 😭

Yeah.

What I keep hearing is: "you can't assume their sexuality".

That's a good one for me, because, as far as I can see, isn't the outright denial that there could be a relationship between two male band members assuming their sexuality?????

And also, the outright denial there could actually be a romantic relationship between two members of the same band. Really? Never heard of before, was it?

No doubt - Gwen Stefani & Tom Dumont.

Fleetwood mac - Stevie Nicks was in a relationship with Lindsey Buckingham and had an affair with Mick Fleetwood. Same band Christine Mcvie and Jhon Mcvie were married, later divorced.

Abba - Agnetha Fältskog and Björn Ulvaeus married then divorced & Benny Andersson and Anni-Frid "Frida" Lyngstad married then divorced.

There are plenty more, even in K-pop, heaven help us.

Former Triple H members HyunA & Dawn are a clear example.

And a little digging (no deep digging really needed here) brought me even more earth shattering information. That there were even gay couples, OMG, in K-pop bands.

Seungho & B.Nish from DIP being one of those couples, and funny thing is how low and behold, there were signs and suspicions before the truth came out.

So, no, it's definitely not unheard of that people that spend many hours together, create music together, work together, let alone live together (K-pop), become romantically involved and fall in love.

It can happen in co-ed bands and god forbid in all male or all female bands.

Not willing to see this, ruling it out all together, that comes from nothing else than homophobia. No other explanation.

We are not delusional. We see signs. Signs for something that is possible and plausible. Ruling it out completely as something impossible that's being delusional.

This recurring thing of confining queer relationships to sexual lens only to dimiss them has to stop ffs

I'm ok with people not believing jikook are together but can we all admit that something definitely happened between them years ago, *sexually*, and they liked it otherwise we wouldn't see them so often together. You can deny a relationship but you can't deny the sexual tension and electric chemistry between those guys

Uh. Y'ALL. You can't legitimately think that Jikook just did the thing once or ten times back in the day and did not fall in love. I don't think you think that anon, but I think other people try to justify them that way. FWB MY ASS HAVE YOU SEEN THE EYES ON THESE TWO?!

Those are not horny eyes. I mean, okay yes they can be but in that moment those are not horny eyes. Those eyes speak of adoration. There is a huge difference. Not platonic "oh that baby duck is so cute". Not "oh I'mma rail that into oblivion later".

ADORATION. Love. That is exactly what drew most of us into the whole Jeon-Park household in the first place. Okay, yes, something sexual happened between them on hickey night that's for damn sure and it wasn't the first hickey we've seen on either of them. They have a five-year history of questionable alone time behavior resulting in makeup, blackmail material, giggles and inside jokes and sixteen boatloads of sexual tension. Surreptitious touches and lip bites and sly grins are just a normal Wednesday in the Jeon-Park house and shared workplace. We all been knew. But admitting a relationship is sexual is not the same thing as reducing a relationship to Just Sexual. I don't think that's what you were trying to do, but some fans do just that. And it's disrespectful to Jimin and Jungkook as loving partners to invalidate their emotion in favor of their dicks. People who reduce their love to an FWB hornfest or who use horny as a barometer for them are just as homophobic as people who refuse to see anything at all.