The Showrunners Are All So Tg Its Insane

the showrunners are all so tg its insane

Yeah, I think Condal tried to disguise it a bit when season one first came out, but he's really just letting it all out now. What the fuck is he planning on doing that will make us "consider switching sides"?

I don't understand people who claim he and HoTD are biased towards TB. They made Rhaenyra be completely inactive politically outside of that one small council scene. They took Jace's interests and gave them to Aemond. They made Daemon kill Rhea, even though in the book he wasn't even in the country. They made Rhaenys and Corlys be completely unsupportive of Rhaenyra, when Rhaenys was her biggest support in the book. They removed Baela and Rhaena's personalities in favor of spending more time on the greens. They turned Laenor into an absent father who chose to abandon his children (biological or not, they were his sons).

Meanwhile, the greens get a majority of the screen time. Alicent is turned into a perpetual victim who refuses to help herself or her children, even though she's the second most powerful person in the realm. Aegon is made to be a "sympathetic" baby with daddy/mommy issues who rapes women because "he doesn't understand consent" (yes, Hess literally said this). Aemond is made to be a poor bullied baby who is actually just so right to be king, guys! Helaena is made into a dreamer yet still has no bearing on the plot other than "sad victim".

The plot itself suffers sooo much because Condal and Hess just had to make the greens into a bunch of poor innocent babies. The greens are the most cartoonishly evil Targaryens GRRM has ever written. But of course, if Condal and Hess are going to ignore the fact that Daemon is meant to be a gray character (GRRM said he's the grayest character in F&B), why wouldn't they ignore how completely shitty the greens are (with the exception of Helaena, who we know nothing about).

I feeling HOTDs pacing was so off. They shoved at least 3 seasons worth of things into one, and it shows hard.

First of all, Luke and Jace were in TWO episodes, and most of that was "blah blah blah bastard bastard bastard." I love Luke, but how is someone supposed to feel bad for his death when we barely see any screen time? Any insight on his personality? Same with Viserys, and Harwin, and Laenor, and Aemond, and basically everyone in the show. The writers have a nasty problem with trying to shove a bunch of things in 8-10 episodes.

There's no actual meaningful relationships in the show at all. The younger generation except perhaps Aegon and Aemond all despise each other, with no complex relationships between them. Alicent and Rhaenyra is pushed heavily, even with the 'still after Luke's death'... yeahhhh..... no. Daemon and Rhaenyra is one of the only well-developed romantic relationships on the show, with the others being pushed or cast aside.

The pull of the show is its shock factor. "OH NO, SOMEONE DIED HORRIBLY! ANOTHER PERSON DIED HORRIBLY AND OH MY GOD ITS CAUSING SOOOO MUCH DRAMA" They want you to focus on all the fights and deaths and arguments so they can have the characters and relationships have the most limited amount of thought into them while still remaining interesting and getting good ratings.

I personally think s1 should've been split into a season for every timeskip; one for teenage era, one for divorced mom young kids era, one for the younger generation to be developed more on. Just a little thought I had.

TG Mentality is

"Aegon is a rapist and a drunk."

"But Rhaenyra has bastards!"

"Alicent is manipulative and mean."

"But Rhaenyras has bastards!"

"Aemond is a kinslayer."

"B U T R H A E N Y R A H A S-"

It really shows TG stans' true motivations and issues with Rhaenyra. The fact that she's a woman who has chosen to fight for her rights, refuses to be a passive victim, and exercises sexual autonomy just really rubs them the wrong way. They believe that in order to be a "true woman" a character must suffer silently and prettily and work only to further the men in her life. Rhaenyra refuses to do this, so they hate her.

The Velaryon boys are just the most glaring example of how Rhaenyra has taken control of her body in spite of her circumstances. They claim she's usurping Baela and Rhaena because they can't handle that Corlys and the rest of the reapm really don't give a shit about Rhaenyra's sex life. They want to enforce the puritanical and patriarchal beliefs of the Faith on Rhaenyra and her family, and get pissed off that she isn't punished more for rebelling against that.

They obsess over the Velaryon boys because it's the only thing that could actually be condemnable by the realm other than her gender. It has nothing to do with the morality of having illegitimate children, it's about Rhaenyra being a non-conforming woman they want to see be punished.

Show Sansa <<< The 4 complex female characters who’s titles/plotlines were stolen and watered down to give to Sansa

It is little discussed how alicent decided to make helaena's life miserable in a marriage with someone she doesn't love and is abusive, she condemned her daughter to have the same abusive marriage she had because she must believe that this is her daughter's duty as well as she believes it was hers, she put aegon's need first and fuck what helaena could want (the need to marry her sister to give more strength to HIS claim) the sentence that rhaenys says to her does make sense, Alicent is always at the service of men and TG stans don't seem to understand that

Helaena is the perfect example of Alicent's arc from abused to abuser. She was a victim of her father, who forced her to marry Viserys, a man she didn't love and had a loveless marriage with. And over a decade later, Alicent forced her thirteen year old daughter to marry her older brother, a man who has a history of bullying and mocking both Helaena and Aemond.

Alicent stans and the show itself claiming Alicent did everything to protect her children are no longer applicable by the the time the time skip happens. From episode 6 on, Alicent is actively harming and endangering her children.

She teaches them to view Rhaenyra's children as subhuman, causing them to constantly spew out claims that Viserys has declared treason, thus endangering their lives. She allows Aegon's bullying of Aemond to continue, provided it's behind closed doors, which is arguably more dangerous, as there would be no one to step in if Aegon went to far. She forces Helaena to marry Aegon, who hates her, and doesn't even wait until Helaena is an adult by Westerosi standards (which Alicent herself was).

After the second major time skip, Alicent is enabling Aegon's raping of servant girls, as well as that of Helaena. She uses Aemond as her sole emotional support, which is a type of emotional abuse. She barely treats Helaena as a real person, viewing her only as a "poor thing", ignoring everything she says as well as the fact that Alicent herself is responsible for Helaena's misery.

Alicent has chosen to perpetuate and fight for the system that hurt her. This makes her the antagonist, not just to Rhaenyra, but Helaena as well. Alicent is responsible for Helaena's suffering, both in season one and season two. She treated her as barely a real person, ignored her opinions and feelings, forced her into an abusive marriage with her brother, and started the war that caused the deaths of Helaena and her children. Exactly like you said, Helaena's wants and needs are constantly shoved aside and ignored by Alicent herself in order to better Aegon's claim and her own ambitions.

I think lucerys is rejecting driftmark not just because of his inabilities, which can be fixed anyway, but also because he watched his mother suffer again and again, he's thinks he will never be as strong as her to persevere like she did, but he was!

Can you imagine your mom gets hurt and stitched up trying to protect you, gets called a whpre for having you 😭 he literally has no one to take these frustrations out on, so he rejects what causes these issues to his mother, he will be free but most importantly she will be

When it counted, he remembered why he was doing this, why he was facing his enemy, who mattered and the way rhaenyra found strenght throught her boys, he found the strenght through her