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Hotd is an excellent example of benevolent misogyny. All the women have to be victims and can't have ambition of their own or do morally gray things separate from men. They exist as props for the men in their lives, Alicent for Otto, Rhaenyra for Daemon (and Viserys), even Rhaenys is reduced to just a support for Corlys.

Alicent only goes to Viserys, opposes Rhaenyra, and helps organize a coup because Otto told her to. Rhaenyra doesn't want to be heir, she doesn't order Vaemond's death, and she doesn't want to fight for her crown, these are all initiated by Viserys and Daemon. Finally Rhaenys always goes along with Corlys' plans even if she doesn't agree with them, everything she does in the plot is because it's what Corlys or Viserys would want. She doesn't want to betroth Laena to Viserys, marry Laenor to Rhaenyra, support Lucerys as heir, or support Rhaenyra for the crown but goes along with the ideas every time.

In the name of feminism, Condal and Hess removed the agency and ambitions of the women. They do this because women are apparently all good while the men are all evil and lead the women astray. This is such a clearly misogynistic view. Feminism is not taking away women's ambitions and wants in the name of making them victims.

I have seen a lot of people saying that the show makes Alicent more sympathetic and it honestly pisses me off. Why all of those changes? Why couldn't she be an ambitious woman to be sympathetic?

Many say that the books aren't canon or that we don't know what actually happened, but the book has less abuse towards women than the so called "feminist" show. The Alicent of the books was eighteen and married a twenty eight widowed king, an adult woman who chose to marry and have children and oppose the heir. She was the leader of The Greens, she set everything in motion, not her father.

Now, Alicent in the show is a perpetual victim. She is a sixteen year old forced by her father to marry an old King, forced to have children, forced to raise her children to oppose the heir and forced to start a war. Even adult Alicent is nothing but a victim. She isn't a leader, everyone controls her one way or another, she has no agency.

My question is, for a "feminist" show, how is this better?

How is turning an ambitious woman into nothing but an idiot who doesn't know what the council was planning (despite being part of it in the previous episode) feminist?

Does she have to be abused by everyone in order to produce sympathy?

Are they really so bad at writing that brutalizing woman was the only way they could make people feel for them?

While I did not like book! Alicent, I respected her. Show Alicent just bores me and doesn't even seen real.

From Alicent, to Laena and to Rhaenyra, in the book they weren't mistreated by their husbands, but in the show all of them were.

How is taking away their agency better?

Alicent, Rhaenys and Rhaenyra are active characters in the books and are the ones who want to kill their enemies. In HotD all of the leadership and decision making that belong to the women they gave It to the men.

They really love their "women are peaceful" agenda. Women can be evil, they can be violent, they can be political, they can't want what was promised to them, they can be proud, they can want to marry, they can want to have children, they can want the same that a man wants.

If a woman has traits typicaly asociated with men, they can be sympathetic?

the showrunners are all so tg its insane

Yeah, I think Condal tried to disguise it a bit when season one first came out, but he's really just letting it all out now. What the fuck is he planning on doing that will make us "consider switching sides"?

I don't understand people who claim he and HoTD are biased towards TB. They made Rhaenyra be completely inactive politically outside of that one small council scene. They took Jace's interests and gave them to Aemond. They made Daemon kill Rhea, even though in the book he wasn't even in the country. They made Rhaenys and Corlys be completely unsupportive of Rhaenyra, when Rhaenys was her biggest support in the book. They removed Baela and Rhaena's personalities in favor of spending more time on the greens. They turned Laenor into an absent father who chose to abandon his children (biological or not, they were his sons).

Meanwhile, the greens get a majority of the screen time. Alicent is turned into a perpetual victim who refuses to help herself or her children, even though she's the second most powerful person in the realm. Aegon is made to be a "sympathetic" baby with daddy/mommy issues who rapes women because "he doesn't understand consent" (yes, Hess literally said this). Aemond is made to be a poor bullied baby who is actually just so right to be king, guys! Helaena is made into a dreamer yet still has no bearing on the plot other than "sad victim".

The plot itself suffers sooo much because Condal and Hess just had to make the greens into a bunch of poor innocent babies. The greens are the most cartoonishly evil Targaryens GRRM has ever written. But of course, if Condal and Hess are going to ignore the fact that Daemon is meant to be a gray character (GRRM said he's the grayest character in F&B), why wouldn't they ignore how completely shitty the greens are (with the exception of Helaena, who we know nothing about).

If HBO favors the Greens over the Blacks (probably because the Blacks are Dany's direct ancestors), I kinda fear a Dunk and Egg show playing favorites with Aerion over Egg for the same reasons. Also wouldn't be surprised if every female character in Dunk and Egg gets turned into a passive, sobbing knock-off Sansa like Alicent is in HOTD (at least book Alicent is more interesting, even though I find both versions of the character to be pretty vile people).

I'm hoping that if HBO does choose to do a Dunk and Egg show, they'll have better show runners than Condal and Hess, but I'm not holding my breath. If they choose to follow the HOTD model, here's how I think it'd go:

Maekar actually married his wife, Dyana Dayne, when she was fifteen, while he was thirty-two (don't think about the timeline, just watch the fun marital rape scenes!). Dyana is actually a repressed lesbian who's in love with her handmaid. Maekar doesn't care about any of his children, instead he's obsessed with medieval legos!

Daeron's visions make him be completely unable to have conversations with people, he just whispers ominously in a corner. Aerion isn't actually a sadistic asshole who tormented his little brother by the way. No, he's just sooo misunderstood and no one bothered to teach him that killing animals and threatening to mutilate his brother is wrong! Aemon is completely devoted to the Faith and hates his heathen family members but he still wants to be a dragon rider for some reason.

Daella wants to be a man, she hates womanhood, motherhood, and femininity! She wants to be a knight, but never actually does anything to try to pursue those dreams, just mentions it once in the first episode. Rhae exists, maybe.

Meanwhile, Aegon, despite being a titular character, doesn't get as much screen time as his more "interesting siblings". No, he's doing things, maybe, meanwhile we get to watch random rape scenes and Aerion jack off a few times. Duncan is far from your stereotypical noble knight, oh no, he's a borderline psychopath when he doesn't get his way, but somehow is still redeemable? He also actually did kidnap Aegon, Daeron didn't smuggle him out, he did this because Daella slept with him but refused to run away with him.

This is a joke post, but I'm truly genuinely scared of how HBO would handle a Dunk and Egg adaptation. Neither HOTD nor GOT are actually good adaptations, they both ignore important plot points and themes. Dunk and Egg would just become a mess of "subverted expectations" and sexist fake feminism.

am I the only one who's scared for the upcoming Aegon the Conqueror adaptation...? The Dance is a lost case. It's destroyed, ruined, made into a minced meat and served as dog's food. It's unsalvaegable atp. But HBO wants to do the same to Aegon and his sisters and it makes me both furious and frightened. Mattson Tomlin will be the screenwriter. Ok, so far so good. He seems like a decent guy. He didn't post anything that'd imply he's going to turn this series into his own fanfic. But what next? I've researched the process of making a tv show, and if I'm not mistaken, Tomlin's sole job is to write the "core" of the story (the sequence of events, how it might begin and on what note should it end, a rough draft of dialoques, things like that) And then that script will be passed forward to five other screenwrites who can do with it whatever they want. What if Condal and Hess - the biggest f**cking hacks in the whole world - will be among those screenwriters chosen by HBO?? It's going be a nightmare. Oh god, the villainization of Rhaenys and Visenya while also making them a total weaklings without ambition or agenda. And yes, it's more likely than not that these asshats will make the Conquest, as well. They're HBO's favorites, since they made the ever successful House of the Alicent.

Oh, and I'm sure they gonna fuck the dragons just as much as their riders. Do you want to see Aegon riding a saggy, rotting Balerion with a dropping neck? Well that's exactly what you gonna get.

They hate Targaryens and everything that's associated with them.

Oh no, I'm right there with you anon. I honestly hope this show somehow dies like the Snow show. His perception of Daenerys is extremely telling of his inability to understand the bigger picture of the story.

Him accusing Dany of being "genocidal" in season 3 is fucking ridiculous. He's somehow construing her actions to overthrow a monstrous and oppressive system as genocide. Like, media literacy is just not present apparently. Since Dany shares parallels with the Conquerors, this perception is very... concerning. So, from my perspective, this is already doomed to be another shit show.

Considering how often people in the fandom like to interpret the relationship of the Conquerors as strained at best, I have very little confidence anyone HBO hires will be much different. HBO definitely hates the idea of any healthy relationships, romantic or otherwise, as we've seen in GOT and HOTD. I definitely think Visenya will end up hating Aegon and/or Rhaenys, and Aegon will probably resent Visenya and abuse Rhaenys.

I've always thought the GOT dragons were extremely uninspired. They dulled their colors and made them all look the same. I liked the HOTD dragons a lot more; but I agree that Vhagar looks kinda bad (she looks like a turtle 😭). Since Balerion is supposed to be older than Vhagar is in HOTD, they might go with the same idea for him, which is sad. Especially since they did a good job with Caraxes and Syrax (aside from keeping her the same size the whole show).

It's so sad and frustrating how determined HBO are to just destroy everything connected to ASOIAF. Time and again, they've proven that they just don't understand what GRRM wrote at all.

I’m going to say this as an Alicent anti: wtf are they doing to her??? 😂

The whole argument for Team Green is that Alicent usurped Rhaenyra because she feared for her children’s safety but now she’s going to turn on them after FORCING Aegon to crown himself king when he didn’t want to?!

I don't even know what the show runners are on. I do think that their laughable attempts to make TG look better are actually proving my point though. The obsession with making "both sides bad" has rendered their characters inconsistent and completely unbelievable. Their storyline is jumbled and makes no sense. The entire show is a complete mess.

The idea of both sides being equally bad destroys everything in the story. GRRM wrote a story about how sexism and hunger for power damage the world. Rhaenyra being usurped marked a dramatic drop of the power women held in Westeros. Otto and Alicent's greed and misogyny caused the deaths of thousands and the dragons. The loss of the dragons led to the Others gaining strength.

Obviously, the blacks aren't perfect, or even heroes. Daemon is as morally gray as it gets, Rhaenyra is classist and kills to get her way, many of the blacks' allies committed atrocities. However, the fact is the greens are the villains of the Dance and the blacks are the protagonists.

The greens are all irredeemable and awful people, that's the whole point. Just like the slavers are monsters, Euron is basically a demon, and Ramsay is completely evil. Certain characters of ASOIAF are meant to be completely evil, it part to show how the ideas they champion are also completely evil.

The show runners have completely missed the idea and themes of the Dance. Because of that, their story and characters are destroyed and just incomprehensible.

Do you also have a feeling that Tom and Ewan are promoted too much? I have a feeling that they're the only actors I see.

I've been avoiding the promos for the most part tbh, but from what I've seen, yeah, I agree. It definitely seems like they're leaning into them a lot, probably because so many people in the fandom find them attractive.

I also can't help but wonder if it's also partially because of how much the show runners favor their characters. Condal basically wrote Aemond into his self-insert and Hess has gone to bat to defend Aegon literally raping a girl. They already clearly favor the greens in the adaptation, but it seems like Aemond and Aegon are definitely some of the favorites, alongside their version of Alicent.

Every part of the promo decisions have left a bad taste in my mouth. Even the new costumes and hair styles have been kind of ruined for me with the emphasis on the "choose a side" bs. I was already sceptical of how season two was going to be handled, but with every promo and leak it's becoming clear just how badly this is going to play out.

I had my friend tell me that one of the best changes in the fanfic shitshow was changing Rhaenyra's black and red dress to Alisaint's green dress.

And when I asked her why was it so? Her simple answer was sending me this reddit post.

"Never made sense, as a fierce statement, her house colors, what's so defiant about it?" -Maybe the fact that Alicent was actively trying to replace her position as heir? And her telling Alicent to fuck off.

"Like something Sansa would do" -you mean Cersei? Sansa isn't stupid enough to commit treason against the king, to have a 'fuck you, i am cool' moment.

"It gave the moment the Greens and Blacks were born" -you mean when the greens were born? Where is the black counterpart? The part where Renada married a black man, maybe? Or the that house Velaryon wore black?

All the emotional weight it deserved, much more than the books ever did. -emotinal weight?lol. The books had a plot behind it, Rhaenyra making a statement she is every inch a Targaryen, and her father's true heir. What exactly did the show do? Alisaint being angry because renada fucked someone?

Lol. These people are truly delusional.

I hope you are happy with all the sympathy you are recieving lately. People will do anything for attention these days. Sending yourself hateful asks. To get others sympathy.

Again this isn't Youtube or gofundme or some other sympathy seeking app. I don't have to send myself for 'sympathy'. I am gaining absolutely nothing from the sympathies of random strangers online.

Hi I'm really sorry for the terrible comments you are getting. But I think it is mostly because House of the dragon is now canon. Which I get because people like you have being fans longer than hotd fans. Calling hotd fans terrible when you are the one making unnecessary rude comments and playing the victim Is just wrong.

In all seriousness, how is that fanfic shitshow supposed to be canon when the viewers doesn't even understand what the universe of 'A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE' is abt lol.

You people are the same people who said otherworldly valyrian beauty was a propaganda made up by the conquerors so they could be seen as worthier rulers. Like I wish I was making this up.

The same people who bullied a 60+ man who has been a (Tolkien, GRRM, fantasy) viewer for YEARS, all because he said the actor who was playing Renada in that shitshow was not beautiful enough to be 'THE REALM'S DELIGHT'. That's all he said, he didn't say the actor was ugly or any other negative comment. But people bullied him off the app.

GRRM HIMSELF HAS SAID NO OTHER CANON IS TRUE BUT THE BOOKS. Like this man, at his age has to earn his living somehow.

If you like the show canon and believe it to be canon, FINE. But coming into my asks and leaving unnecessary asks is perfectly sane behaviour.

How am I playing the victim here when I get called a pedophile because I like Daenerys and Viserra.

Daenerys was a 13 getting rap3d.

Viserra was a 15 year trying to escape a life of marital rap3 but died a virgin.

happy to know that I'm not the only one who thinks HOTD is mediocre, why make an adaptation if it would change absolutely everything in the book? alicent and rhaenyra are not the characters we have in the book and anyone who thinks this is good is a little dumb

It's far from mediocre actually. Alisaint and Renada and every single characters in that fanfic shitshow are whole new characters with the same name with personalities from other characters. And somehow it's seen as 'better'. I don't understand what abt badly written and half completed characters are so much better. Don't get me started on the age and timelines.

After that fanfic shitshow came out, the illiterate people who genuinely can't comprehend or grasp the littlest of things in this fandom have SKYROCKETED.

Just going to leave this here 😭😭😭😭😂

Women written by GRRM:

Quotes above from the characters : Catelyn Stark, Alicent Hightower, Arianne Martell, Daenerys Targaryen, Rhaenyra Targaryen, Catelyn Stark(again), Sansa Stark.

Women Written by Ryan Condal:

Two of the many reasons I hate House of the Dragon:

-- They're doubling down on GOT's vitriol that "the best ruler is the one that doesn't want to rule" that they used to vilify Dany in the end.

-- They made Alicent and Rhaenyra into these peace-loving characters, and gave many of Dany's peace-loving qualities to them. Which led to a bunch of show-watchers (and plenty of book readers that don't know the books well) to believe that Rhaenyra and Alicent are better queens/more peaceful/more reasonable than Dany. These fans end up loving Rhaenyra and Alicent while hating Dany, even though the reasons they love show!Rhaenyra and show!Alicent are precisely the qualities that the showrunners stole from book!Dany and gave to them.

What TV adaptation? Is there such a thing for the Dance of the Dragons? I don’t think so. I’ve never heard of it.

Would be nice though. I would have loved to watch what I read (exactly what I read) come alive on screen.

GRRM should consider finding some nice, competent and talented producers to get this done for him and his fans. It would be a real treat.

DIFFERENCES BETWEEN BOOK!DANY AND SHOW!DANY— Dany and Hizdahr's conversation at Daznak's Pit

TL;DR: the show-only scene makes Dany seem misguided and potentially dangerous and tries to cast doubt on her moral compass, while the book-only scene written by George R. R. Martin showcases Dany's persistent effort to protect the ones who can't protect themselves.

On HBO: the writers created an entirely original scene in order to paint Dany as someone potentially willing to use indiscriminate violence to achieve her goals, while Hizdahr is portrayed as the more cautious figure who defends the tradition of the fighting pits for the sake of Meereen's cultural identity and continuity.

In the books: Dany is shown to be empathetic and protective of the marginalized. She imposes strict conditions to ensure that only willing participants fight in the pits and immediately steps in to stop the needless deaths of (unbeknownst to her) Tyrion and Penny. Meanwhile, Hizdahr shows no regard for the dwarfs' consent or well-being. His attempt to circumvent Dany's anti-slavery measures in order to force two vulnerable and unwilling slaves to fight against lions serves as a critique of the Ghiscari nobles, who readily perpetuate cruelty and oppression for the sake of their entertainment.

Honestly, what can you expect from the same streaming service that released Leaving Neverland and falsely accusing an innocent youtuber of grooming/violence incitement?

HBO is making a Harry Potter TV show... one season for each book apparently. Of all the books they could make shows of... I hate it

Wtf???? Ugh I'm gonna have to cancel my hbo subscription.

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