Lute Obviously Doesnt Like The Idea Of Sinners Being Redeemed. (Source: All Her Dialogue Referring To

Lute obviously doesn’t like the idea of sinners being redeemed. (Source: all her dialogue referring to sinners, ever). But what if, in trying to turn heaven towards her ideals to gain more power, she uses the fact that redemption is possible to blame Sera for Adam’s death, then slowly changes the ideals she speaks of to fit her original violent nature with the ‘winners’ of heaven not even realising they’ve been conned into thinking something completely opposite to the original.

Lute and Adam are clearly meant to depict the more violent and prejudiced side of Christianity ( with Sera being more ignorant and stuck in her ways than actually ‘evil’, like your grandma that still says slurs because she thinks its okay) so why not go the whole way and have Lute as a cult leader type character. Using Adam as her martyr and Sera as her focal point for blame she could get a large following.

For a more in depth look, it could go something like this:

Lute finds out about Pentious, realises that she’s got barely any exterminators left to lead and that if this gets out the winners and probably some of the heaven born would want to help more people get up (i think its cannon that they don’t remember anyone from earth that went to hell, but imagine if someone were to remember Pentious and convince others that there were people in hell that they knew and loved, just didn’t remember).

She knows she can’t just straight up target Pentious, as people admire him for rising. Lute goes for the next best thing, Sera, blaming her for Adams death. With the right words the angels in the courtroom may back her up despite what she says. If Lute pretends to repent for all the killing because it wasn’t necessary she could drag people in VERY quickly with pity points from being ‘used’ by Sera. Since she lied to Emily it’s entirely possible that at this point Emily would be super on Lute’s side.

From here, Lute can start to introduce the idea that while sinners can be redeemed, the hellborn are still dangerous. After all, it’s the influence of the hellborn that keeps sinners from the path of good, right? Exterminations start again, this time ONLY for the hellborn, flipping over the deal with Lucifer entirely so the exterminators have to take on a more stealthy approach. Revenge for Adam they all stick by, and they still think that by killing overlords that they’re going to help redeem the sinners.

Emily saw how Angel was treated by Valentino so it’s entirely possible that she’d, while not a fan of the violence still agree with the main message and fall down the same path as Sera (Killing THEM protects US).

Lute can then slowly go down the line as time goes on of, not just hellborn, but also very powerful sinners, but also all sinners close to overlords ect.

If she does it right, Lute can end up with the say in who dies and who doesn’t, who has the potential for redemption and who needs to die. (This is where i see Emily falling out and suspecting that Lute doesn’t actually want the sinners to be redeemed)

Anything Sera says is the opposite of what they need to do, if she preaches non-violence to make up for her errors the irony of Lute continuing to be violent after condemning Sera for it will be completely lost and they’ll blindly follow.

Lucifer gets to intercept at times but would he find it in him to kill angels who think that they’re HELPING the redemption effort?

Lute comes off as a character who is as clever as she is tough and after losing to Vaggie in a fight she’d be inclined to take a different option.

Eventually, Lute being shunned by others in heaven would be POETIC after what she did to Vaggie, so ending this plot point with the angels finding their way through her manipulation rather than a blunt murder is how i envision it. Of course it could be a range of factors that dissolve her following.

I don’t have any hope that this would actually happen in the show due to the complexity and I’ve not even mentioned how Lilith/Eve could fit into this, I haven’t even been specific about how Lute would treat the Hotel (a multitude of different, branching points there). I think this is good purely because many people have pointed out how Lucifer seemed unbothered during the finale and fighting misinformation is significantly harder than fighting in the physical sense so the hotel would lose some of its OP standing. Similar to how Alastor got beat up in the finale so the audience don’t view him as a catch all shield for the hotel.

(If anyone writes this or anything similar as a fic/ comic PLEASE tag me. I love braindumps but forming coherent and creatively adequate works takes more time and energy than i have in me)

Spoilers for Hazbin Finale under cut (Yes it's The Big One)

The fact that Viv revealed that somebody main was going to die in S1 seemed odd to me, because surely you'd want it to be a big moment? A surprise?

But no, this was clearly to make the plot twist hit harder. A lot of what I saw was ppl saying Pentious would die (and a lot of people sobbing about it) and when he did, or rather, seemed to, it was so blunt and shocking. There was a short dramatic moment but nothing over the top and then he was just, gone.

My personal hope was that the death would be Adam to round off season 1 and bring Lute into the light a bit more (need her to sing again, desperately). So in that moment I was wondering how they were going to deal with Adam. Usually I'm quite good at predicting this kind of thing so I was surprised but figured they'd go the mercy route. Lute being spared by Vaggie solidified this idea in my head so when NIFFTY STABBED HIM I was actually, legitimately shocked. I might not have been if it wasn't revealed that one main character would die in season 1 (I took it to mean ONLY 1, because why else would you specify).

This then of course left me wondering about Pentious. Maybe he was just banished or something? But HOLY SHIT when I saw him in heaven it made SO much sense.

Of course, you can argue he wasn't fully redeemed but then I remembered Vaggie getting her wings back. It happened during her fight with Carmine when she was telling her she needed to stop fighting with hate and fight with love. Self sacrifice seems to be a major point in what heaven considers redemption worthy, which is why despite his flaws Pentious trying to put everything on the line for those he cared about is what sent him up.

Another point to prove this is the fact that Sera doesn't fall for being deceitful to heaven/ Emily or condoning murder because she's doing it for her people, who she loves.

The bonus of Adam being the one to send him there, then dying in hell where he arguably belonged the whole time is aslo incredible.

But yeah THAT is what you call a good spoiler, one that adds to the experience rather than taking away.

For that "Lute Captured" idea of mine one of the ideas I have for it is Lute taking up Sir Pentious' torch as the magnet for slapstick. The basic thought is smashing her dignity to pieces and destroying any and all fear the Hotel crew, and perhaps Hell at large, has for her.

Stunning, beautiful yes.

Take somebody proud and knock them to the godamn floor. Maybe without that stick up her ass she won't be so cruel lol.

Also kinda fits in with the "assigned roles" of heaven. She could be completely useless with non-combat related tasks which is obviously a great means of taking the piss.

Have the gal try to fight a toaster when it burns her toast or something idk.

Removing her as a villain through humiliation deffinetly opens up more for other villains to come in, but if she's captured, who told lillith about Adam? There's so much you can do here with both comedy and still get some plot in there too. If you ever write it up feel free to visit my inbox again, i'd love to know where you take this au. =)

Hey, you know how Lute ALWAYS has blood on her? Yeah well after Adam dies and she goes to see Lilith it's just Angel blood, no demon blood.

The mark of a warrior has become the mark of her failure.

She may not have died but, to paraphrase Carmine, exterminators suck at protecting.

Leading into some serious character development I hope.

Truly I no longer know what to believe about Lilith and Eve, who is in what scene and if they've switched places. Which one of them, if either, maybe both are antagonists. I'm waiting for someone with more spare time than me to create a massive essay on all the appearances/ mentions of them so please somebody tag me when that exists.

Not the plot point im most interested about but definitely the one I can see going in the weirdest/ plot twist direction. Lucifers comments to Adam immediately raised flags for me as did the seemingly wholesome photos of the Morningstars.

Don't you just love it when *insert relatable character* does something that you wish you could but unfortunately *insert shitty real life thing* gets in your way?

That COULD be you, but not in this lifetime.

(This applies equally to not having enough money to do things because shitty capitalism, and also not being able to customise yourself with cat ears because shitty biology)