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Seth Macenzie

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4 years ago

I don’t mind character changes too much, if they make sense and are pulled through until the end in general, For example Cersei is way nicer in the show, than in the books, but al least it was worked until the very end, wheras they sometimes choose book traits/arks/quirks in the show, as if they were always in there. Like Cersei’s 3 children prophecy, but in the pilot she said she had a first child with Robert. And they forgot to say 4 children instead of 3 (would’ve worked really well into it actually, she just thinks the first one wasn’t old enought yet, so maybe the new one would be the forth).

And as much as I love Alfie Allens performance on that beach fight. The smile was right out of the books, it’s not at present in the show. A casual watcher would have definitly missed that he used to smile all the time and stopped with Ramsays torture.

And that Cat scene about Jon actually makes her treatment to Jon worse, because they made her say that she wanted to try to love Jon but in the end she just didn’t even try? That’s worse than just not being able to love Jon or treat him better, because it’s not his fault.

And we haven’t even touched Arya and Tywin. Definitly one of the best acted arcs, with some of the best show dialog, but with zero sense towards the plot at all.

And in general the making a book character that is deeply flawed, less flawed to make them more sympathetic is a big GoT issue. Not just on Theon, but Ned, Tyrion, Robert or Dany get that treatment and it takes away so much of these characters, but in some cases (especially Tyrion) it takes the whole character ark away.

Tysha was just a whore and Tyrion never raped her. Theon doesn’t get PTSD from taking Winterfell, he gets it from getting tortured, Ned was the perfect Dad after his death, Robert was a cool guy and wasn’t it fun that one time he hit his wife (only once, only a slap, not that he knocked out 2 of Joffreys teeth or only hit Cersei where Jamie didn’t see or anything)

I think a lot of times Stark family members should have talked about Robb (and Cat), but Ned is the only one that gets mentioned. As if the whole North would just forget their King, as if the Stark siblings would just forget their older brother and as if Theon of all people would forget about Robb, where his whole conflit comes down to choosing Balon over Robb.

But hey, they made Robb marry Talist for love instead of Jeyne because of duty, so why would they mention him at all. I think the only time he even is mentioned later on is by Sansa when she warns Jon, that’s all that Robb is getting.

And now I’m at the point again of noticing how many characters they made changed to, that just made no sense (I get changing Theon’s torture, I wouldn#t want Alfie Allen to get down to an unhealthy weight. I get Tyrion not loosing his nose CGI is expensive, but I do not get changing Robb’s storyline like this, it just accomplishes nothing but making his character an idiot. He was never great at diplomacy but this is straight up stupid and goes directly against Ned’s upbringing.)

And now I want to see the bookTheon plot in Winterfell with Alfie playing slowly spiraling from PTSD and Ramsay whispering into his ear about ways to make it look as if Bran and Rickon were dead. Imagine this amazing and talented actor doing the original scene. We were robbed!

Your post about Theon's Position in Winterfell was absolutely brilliant and I couldn't agree more. But what do you think is the reason for this misconception by so many fans. The books make it very clear. And if I remember correctly there where 3 dialogs just in season one about Theon position as an hostage. And credit where credit is due, I think those where quite good. So it really confuses me why so many fans (especially show fans) seem to misunderstand Theon's situation.

Well there is a scene with Ramsay in season 3 episode 4 where Theon literally sais "My real father lost his head at king's landing.", which tells us 2 things.

1. The showrunners have no idea about Theon Greyjoy and Ned Stark.

2. The showrunners also have no idea that being a hostage for 10 years does psychological damage to you.

I could make a really long list of characters they screwed up by just leaving so much out that the only thing left about them is the shell of their plot without having their core character traits even being there anymore, but in this case it shows so well.

Why would someone say that the man who held them prisoner for a decade is their “real father”? I get it, Ned is a great and interesting character but that doesn’t make him the best person in the world but as the seasons went on, the showrunners decided that whenever someone talked about him he became better person by modern standarts, instead of a decent person by Westeros standarts.

They  changed pretty much everything about the conversation he had with Arya in season 1, when Arya talked about it in season 8 (aka Ned is now pro Arya taking on “masculin traits” for some reason).

And that season 3 scene just shows that really well. There’s a lot more where they screwed Theon up, but at least we had the fantastic Alfie Allen playing him to make up for that.


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4 years ago

Since Elliot Page just came out I started to experiece something I call “I am cool with it, but my brain hates change” again.

And it is very annoying. I have no issue with anybody coming out, transitioning, cutting their hair, choosing certain clothes, switching jobs or follwing religions, but my brain take forever to wrap aroung the fact that there is now new information about this person.

It’s like a library where every book is under a certain file and now it has to be moved into a different section and the system has to be updated that it is now there. And once all of that is done you don’t even notice anymore that it used to be somewhere else. And then one day another book has to be moved and it’s starting again. It was the same when a school friend of mine cut her hair short, it was the same when I found out that one of my coworkers told me he felt god and it was the same when a former friend of mine had his coming out to me. Everbody thinks I react weird or bad, when i am just still in processing mode. This is also why I am not great in fast situations in general. Give me a couple days time and I will get through anything that comes up with a solution and 5 backup solutions if the first one doesn’t work out but ask me for something right now and you will get nothing out of me.

Anybody else experience this “I am cool with it, but my brain hates change” feeling that information feels like it takes to long to process that it does for other people that can just say cool and move on instead of replaying the information in their head for a couple days until it is filed up/ changed to true/ clicked in?

But anyways good for Elliot Page, congrats, I will process this information in about a week because I am sick, so everything takes even longer than usual.


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4 years ago

Me: Cat is one of my least favourite characters because she always reminds me of my uncles partner who treats his two sons from his ex like shit, only because they aren’t her children.

Someone else: Catelyn Stark is dumb and mean and I hate her 

Me: She is one of the best written characters with a compelling arc and strong motives and one of the best written female characters ever. She is a good balance of good and bad qualities that makes occationally bad choices, but also with a really good cause in mind and a clear motive. She’s do anything to save her children and is one of the best parents in Westeros when it comes to raising decent children. She also has a grat sense of humor.

Me: I love Catelyn Tully Stark because she doesn’t fall into the ‘perfect mother’ archetype. She isn’t just an extention of her children and she has her own arc, yet she also cares for them so deeply. She’s smart, she’s strong, she grabbed a knife with her bare hands to protect her son. She has flaws of course, but that is what makes her so likable and well rounded as a character.

Someone else: Catelyn Stark is dumb and mean and I hate her

Me: On second thought, Catelyn has never done one single thing wrong in her life. Love how perfect she is. Flawless. Her power.


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4 years ago

Technically you are absolulty right, as points made they make him less sympathetic but they aren’t really portayed in that context.

Wheras Theon gets called a turncloak by pretty much everybody post Ramsay (which is a debatable term, considering he choose his father over the house that kept him hostage) but show Theon gets mostly called out for Bran and Rickon by Sansa but not for betraying Robb.

And once it’s known to Sansa than he didn’t kill Bran and Rickon everything is kind off off the table. As if it was never an issue that he took Winterfell, only that he killed Bran and Rickon. And if you never mention it, I suppose that makes him more sympathetic in the eyes of a casual viewer who hasn’t been reminded that taking Winterfell was an actual issue.

I think in general a lot of people seem to have an issue with Theon choosing Balon over Robb, but like - it was his father against his friend, who technically still held him hostage. And he grew up with Robb, Robb who went to war for his father. But when Theon decides to fight for his it’s bad.

Yes Balon is a bad father and a bad king, but he is still Theon’s father and he had to choose a king and chose his family over Robb, it’s an understandable thing to do.

And practically the show makes it seem that it makes no sense that Theon takes his fathers side, because the Starks are so great (I love them, but I still get why Theon choose Balon.).

I would say, don’t watch more than that. Maybe one of two scenes are worth it. Jamie and Edmure in Riverrun is right out of the books (baby catapult) and it’s so well acted, but season 5 was the start point of the declining of the show and you can notice that. Acting is still amazing, cinematography is still amazing, the costumes are (for the most part) still amazing, the music is fantastic, but the plot isn’t really worth it for the most part.

Your post about Theon's Position in Winterfell was absolutely brilliant and I couldn't agree more. But what do you think is the reason for this misconception by so many fans. The books make it very clear. And if I remember correctly there where 3 dialogs just in season one about Theon position as an hostage. And credit where credit is due, I think those where quite good. So it really confuses me why so many fans (especially show fans) seem to misunderstand Theon's situation.

Well there is a scene with Ramsay in season 3 episode 4 where Theon literally sais "My real father lost his head at king's landing.", which tells us 2 things.

1. The showrunners have no idea about Theon Greyjoy and Ned Stark.

2. The showrunners also have no idea that being a hostage for 10 years does psychological damage to you.

I could make a really long list of characters they screwed up by just leaving so much out that the only thing left about them is the shell of their plot without having their core character traits even being there anymore, but in this case it shows so well.

Why would someone say that the man who held them prisoner for a decade is their “real father”? I get it, Ned is a great and interesting character but that doesn’t make him the best person in the world but as the seasons went on, the showrunners decided that whenever someone talked about him he became better person by modern standarts, instead of a decent person by Westeros standarts.

They  changed pretty much everything about the conversation he had with Arya in season 1, when Arya talked about it in season 8 (aka Ned is now pro Arya taking on “masculin traits” for some reason).

And that season 3 scene just shows that really well. There’s a lot more where they screwed Theon up, but at least we had the fantastic Alfie Allen playing him to make up for that.


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4 years ago

On Love, Simon

Okay so Love Simon is one of many LGBTQ+ movies I have seen and I can honestly say it wasn’t my taste.

But seeing so many people react with so much happyness and especially young people having a mainstream movie to look at is wonderful.

When I was a teen you had to go and really search for happy LGBTQ+ movies, only Brokeback Mountain was widespread and it doesn’t have a happy ending.

So many LGBTQ+ movies don’t end happyly and you know what it’s amazing to see one that is so popular and spreading and getting seen by teenagers, instead of the many unhappy ones.

Don’t get me wrong there are amazing movies out there that do not feature a happy end and bad ones who do, but growing up I had to search really hard to find something happy (give me all the hurt, as long as there is comfort) and it’s just wonderful to see that that has changes.

So manybe I didn’t like Love, Simon, maybe I thought of all the movies I watched that were way better and did something better than this movie.

But fuck it, I love what this movie does to people and it makes me super happy that people are getting joy out of it. That people are getting more open, that a movie like this exists for teens to just watch and see that maybe the world won#t be all that bad in the end. Screw everything I love how many people this movie made happy!


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