I Dont Mind Character Changes Too Much, If They Make Sense And Are Pulled Through Until The End In General,

I don’t mind character changes too much, if they make sense and are pulled through until the end in general, For example Cersei is way nicer in the show, than in the books, but al least it was worked until the very end, wheras they sometimes choose book traits/arks/quirks in the show, as if they were always in there. Like Cersei’s 3 children prophecy, but in the pilot she said she had a first child with Robert. And they forgot to say 4 children instead of 3 (would’ve worked really well into it actually, she just thinks the first one wasn’t old enought yet, so maybe the new one would be the forth).

And as much as I love Alfie Allens performance on that beach fight. The smile was right out of the books, it’s not at present in the show. A casual watcher would have definitly missed that he used to smile all the time and stopped with Ramsays torture.

And that Cat scene about Jon actually makes her treatment to Jon worse, because they made her say that she wanted to try to love Jon but in the end she just didn’t even try? That’s worse than just not being able to love Jon or treat him better, because it’s not his fault.

And we haven’t even touched Arya and Tywin. Definitly one of the best acted arcs, with some of the best show dialog, but with zero sense towards the plot at all.

And in general the making a book character that is deeply flawed, less flawed to make them more sympathetic is a big GoT issue. Not just on Theon, but Ned, Tyrion, Robert or Dany get that treatment and it takes away so much of these characters, but in some cases (especially Tyrion) it takes the whole character ark away.

Tysha was just a whore and Tyrion never raped her. Theon doesn’t get PTSD from taking Winterfell, he gets it from getting tortured, Ned was the perfect Dad after his death, Robert was a cool guy and wasn’t it fun that one time he hit his wife (only once, only a slap, not that he knocked out 2 of Joffreys teeth or only hit Cersei where Jamie didn’t see or anything)

I think a lot of times Stark family members should have talked about Robb (and Cat), but Ned is the only one that gets mentioned. As if the whole North would just forget their King, as if the Stark siblings would just forget their older brother and as if Theon of all people would forget about Robb, where his whole conflit comes down to choosing Balon over Robb.

But hey, they made Robb marry Talist for love instead of Jeyne because of duty, so why would they mention him at all. I think the only time he even is mentioned later on is by Sansa when she warns Jon, that’s all that Robb is getting.

And now I’m at the point again of noticing how many characters they made changed to, that just made no sense (I get changing Theon’s torture, I wouldn#t want Alfie Allen to get down to an unhealthy weight. I get Tyrion not loosing his nose CGI is expensive, but I do not get changing Robb’s storyline like this, it just accomplishes nothing but making his character an idiot. He was never great at diplomacy but this is straight up stupid and goes directly against Ned’s upbringing.)

And now I want to see the bookTheon plot in Winterfell with Alfie playing slowly spiraling from PTSD and Ramsay whispering into his ear about ways to make it look as if Bran and Rickon were dead. Imagine this amazing and talented actor doing the original scene. We were robbed!

Your post about Theon's Position in Winterfell was absolutely brilliant and I couldn't agree more. But what do you think is the reason for this misconception by so many fans. The books make it very clear. And if I remember correctly there where 3 dialogs just in season one about Theon position as an hostage. And credit where credit is due, I think those where quite good. So it really confuses me why so many fans (especially show fans) seem to misunderstand Theon's situation.

Well there is a scene with Ramsay in season 3 episode 4 where Theon literally sais "My real father lost his head at king's landing.", which tells us 2 things.

1. The showrunners have no idea about Theon Greyjoy and Ned Stark.

2. The showrunners also have no idea that being a hostage for 10 years does psychological damage to you.

I could make a really long list of characters they screwed up by just leaving so much out that the only thing left about them is the shell of their plot without having their core character traits even being there anymore, but in this case it shows so well.

Why would someone say that the man who held them prisoner for a decade is their “real father”? I get it, Ned is a great and interesting character but that doesn’t make him the best person in the world but as the seasons went on, the showrunners decided that whenever someone talked about him he became better person by modern standarts, instead of a decent person by Westeros standarts.

They  changed pretty much everything about the conversation he had with Arya in season 1, when Arya talked about it in season 8 (aka Ned is now pro Arya taking on “masculin traits” for some reason).

And that season 3 scene just shows that really well. There’s a lot more where they screwed Theon up, but at least we had the fantastic Alfie Allen playing him to make up for that.

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German vegetarian here, I know what Veal Heart Ragout is, but I think it’s so funny that these are supposed to be the horrors.

Like who made this? Nothing of this is uncommon in a lot of other countries and it’s not even disgusting stuff, it’s just so normal. Like I have seen at least half of it here in Germany just as totally normal things and I don’t even eat any of it!

I get what you are saying and it’s not wrong, but one look of “killing 2 children is bad” isn’t that much in comparison to how much Theon goes through in the books.

There is definilty regret there not not the PTSD he had in the books without being able to sleep, nightmares of dead people he knew or heard about, he has way stronger outbursts then in the show where they are due to Ramsay blowing the horn and not from Theon turning insane on his own.

And the scene with Measter Luwin is actually more about Theon telling himself he shouldn’t have to apologize because of the situation he is in. Which is accurate and does show remorse but the actual character change I meant isn’t there yet. That starts in season 3 when Theon starts getting psychologically (and physically) tortured by Ramsay.

Regret isn’t a change in character it’s a feeling that he experiences in both instances and he should, anything else would make him a horrible person but regret is not change in character. I might have frased this badly because it was 2 am when I wrote it though. I am still surprised I managed to write actual english sentences while sick at all.

I am very glad GRRM decided to give Theon PTSD pre Ramsay. The fact that Theon gets PTSD in the middle of the war, because he has a break is showing that GRRM has an understanding of both PTSD and that torture doesn’t make you a better person or whatever D&D were going for. Theon developed PTSD during a break in war for him, he started his nightmares about dead people which is something that can totally happen to any person that is coming out of the adrenalin rush of survival (of any sort, but in this case war). The other thing is, Theon subcotiously started to regret his actions, deciding against Robb, letting bad come to the smallfolk of Winterfell, that were in no way at fault for his hostage status and the killing of the miller’s boys, as much as he tries to tell himself that they were JUST the miller’s boys and therefore for war purposes not important. But something in him knows that this is bs, that is is wrong to kill these innocent children and all of that triggers his PTSD way before Ramsay starts torturing him. The way it’s done in GoT shows Theon showing regret and remorse after he gets tortured, wich implys that his change in character comes from said torture whereas book!Theon has this point way before. And that is way better. Being a victim does not make you stronger or a better character. Reflecting on your actions and knowing they were bad does. Torture will just screw your brain up, it will not make you a better person, it will just fuck you up. But apperrently D&D think differently- The same thing happend to Jamie aswell, just saying.

Since Elliot Page just came out I started to experiece something I call “I am cool with it, but my brain hates change” again.

And it is very annoying. I have no issue with anybody coming out, transitioning, cutting their hair, choosing certain clothes, switching jobs or follwing religions, but my brain take forever to wrap aroung the fact that there is now new information about this person.

It’s like a library where every book is under a certain file and now it has to be moved into a different section and the system has to be updated that it is now there. And once all of that is done you don’t even notice anymore that it used to be somewhere else. And then one day another book has to be moved and it’s starting again. It was the same when a school friend of mine cut her hair short, it was the same when I found out that one of my coworkers told me he felt god and it was the same when a former friend of mine had his coming out to me. Everbody thinks I react weird or bad, when i am just still in processing mode. This is also why I am not great in fast situations in general. Give me a couple days time and I will get through anything that comes up with a solution and 5 backup solutions if the first one doesn’t work out but ask me for something right now and you will get nothing out of me.

Anybody else experience this “I am cool with it, but my brain hates change” feeling that information feels like it takes to long to process that it does for other people that can just say cool and move on instead of replaying the information in their head for a couple days until it is filed up/ changed to true/ clicked in?

But anyways good for Elliot Page, congrats, I will process this information in about a week because I am sick, so everything takes even longer than usual.

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