Reposting This Bc The Fandom Is Acting Like A Bunch Of Whiny Children Over The Ytmk Crumbs In The New

Reposting this bc the fandom is acting like a bunch of whiny children over the ytmk crumbs in the new chapter.

Read. Read again. And then shut the fuck up 😇

Of course, don't apologize for protecting your identity.

And yes, even back when I used to hang out in anti spaces, the amount of people that attacked others based on content that shouldn't even be deemed "problematic" in the first place made me dislike the community.

To the next point, I do agree with you that words can definitely change meaning with time. So I might've been exaggerating from that perspective there. But what I mean is- the proshipper community came up with our definition of proship, and *we* are *still* using that definition for ourselves; meanwhile the antishippers *assume* our stance is a different thing and judge us according to that. How fair is that? That's what I meant by "no my opinion", of course they can have their opinions but they will be disregarded by me because there's already a definition of proship acknowledged by our community and it's not what they think it is. (Strawman much?) So while learning an anti's opinion on what proship means could be useful in learning their stances, it ultimately doesn't change the meaning of proship itself when we don't define ourselves that way.

(Don't apologize for the block of text! I wouldn't have sent an ask if I didn't want to read it.)

People calling you a proshipper is going to gain meaning depending on who calls you that. By most proshippers' definition you'd count as one because you don't harass (though we won't push the label on you). But if an anti calls you a proshipper they're basically accusing you of being a, say, predator or something because that's what they think it means.

It really is a shame how many people jump to conclusions and can't hold a normal debate.

I hope you as the admin will be okay mentally while running this blog! It can be hard.

And also antis posting on here should probably know what's the actual meaning of proship before doing so. "Proship in my opinion means [something completely different]" there's no "your opinion", it's a word that already exists with an already existing meaning.

(Unless what one says is like "proship in my opinion means ship and let ship or anti harassment" because those *are* included in the definition. But you know they're not acknowledging what it is because being against "no harassment" makes them look like the bad guy, which they pretty much are sometimes.)

Thank you so much for your concern, but please don’t be afraid. I also run a side blog regarding mental health (apologies, I won’t link it as it has more information about myself there and I’d like to keep it separate from my psychology/sociology study.)

I have noticed that antiship people tend to have a “different definition” of proship based on who. Such as the en.stars fan base which considers a 16 and 18 year old to be EXTREMELY problematic and pedophilia. From a someone with a grass healthy relationship, those individuals seem rather grass deficient. The psychology and maturity is hardly different between those ages.

Anyway, I digress, unfortunately in order to understand someone when they speak, we must come to terms with the ways in which other people are defining words. For more information about such a topic, I highly recommend the book “How to Read a Book” by Charles Van Doren and Mortimer J. Adler. (PDF) So while there is a word that exists with a definition, it is like using the words gay, retard, and molest. The words have taken different meanings. Likely, the words people associated with them are: homosexual, a slur describing one of special needs, and improper sexual advances. Originally these words meant happy, to slow, and to disturb. Not only do words change but their perception can as well, such as me calling people homosexual is often met with dislike. Like it or not, this is at the very least something important to consider when making these discussions. (Sorry for the large block on this, I find the subject fascinating!)

Unfortunately, even with my brief interactions, I’ve been finding myself in a rather, perplexing position. I’ve been accused of harassing individuals in a tag and being a drama blog (though apparently being mistaken as not being op makes it better?) while mistakenly being accused of being proship (I state myself rather clearly in my bio.) I’ve sifted through dozens of blogs that were academically impossible to use in a healthy discussion since the tags or blog included threats, suicide baiting, amongst other deplorable words. This topic is interesting, but I’m watching a lot of unhealthy behaviours. I even blocked a fandom callout blog recently for existing in the sense of wanting to harass others. So, it’s interesting, but so hard to find people who are genuinely interested in having a civil conversation from that perspective.

Five times? Oof. Well, you are patient for rewriting all that.

Now you've made a few points that I could also discuss further but to make it simple I will number them:

1) Kids being in adults spaces and adults making non-kid-friendly content for media made for kids has been a discussion in the proship community too. I remember this from years ago, which was when I first started agreeing with proship beliefs despite hanging in anti spaces. XD Anyways for the first part it's easy to tell, it's the parents' responsibility. For the second one, I think that adults can participate in kid-friendly fandoms but appropriate tagging and not allowing kids into the adult sub-spaces is a must. They can also pick a different name for the NSFW content to tag their works with them and not the main tag, like a certain fandom I know.

2) I've seen a poll on tumblr made that way, I can try to send it to you if you'd like (and if I can find it.)

3) I struggled to find some resources here and there too, but if you accept screenshots of things antis say there are plenty on tumblr that fall in that category. Similar to anti kink stuff, like sorry to bring that up but they're pretty much antishippers but instead of shows they talk about people's fantasies, which are also a piece of fiction. Anyways. I think I found a piece about antis being cult-like if you'd like it?

4) That is an interesting topic, however, I think it has a major US-centricism flaw. If you're planning to make it into a poll or a larger subject in general, please either consider different kinds of fandom and political spaces across the world or let it be known beforehand that it's a matter regarding the USAmerican fandom spaces only. Because it's disheartening to get into a subject you like only to find it doesn't apply to you at all.

An observation is that I (and another blogger that shows up when you search the pro-antiship debate, apparently) think both antiship and proshippers are more left leaning, antishippers are criticized because some points they make resemble right leaning people's a bit too much. Such as the censorship and all.

Which brings me to my last point, which isn't really a criticization, that it'd probably help you to look into labels like profic, anticensorship and all that. The last one being more related to political topics. While most proshippers are also profic and anti censorship, some of them don't like to be involved in debates regarding real life matters because they're here for the ship part. Meanwhile someone whose general stance is anti censorship and freedom of speech might be more interested in it.

I hope you as the admin will be okay mentally while running this blog! It can be hard.

And also antis posting on here should probably know what's the actual meaning of proship before doing so. "Proship in my opinion means [something completely different]" there's no "your opinion", it's a word that already exists with an already existing meaning.

(Unless what one says is like "proship in my opinion means ship and let ship or anti harassment" because those *are* included in the definition. But you know they're not acknowledging what it is because being against "no harassment" makes them look like the bad guy, which they pretty much are sometimes.)

Thank you so much for your concern, but please don’t be afraid. I also run a side blog regarding mental health (apologies, I won’t link it as it has more information about myself there and I’d like to keep it separate from my psychology/sociology study.)

I have noticed that antiship people tend to have a “different definition” of proship based on who. Such as the en.stars fan base which considers a 16 and 18 year old to be EXTREMELY problematic and pedophilia. From a someone with a grass healthy relationship, those individuals seem rather grass deficient. The psychology and maturity is hardly different between those ages.

Anyway, I digress, unfortunately in order to understand someone when they speak, we must come to terms with the ways in which other people are defining words. For more information about such a topic, I highly recommend the book “How to Read a Book” by Charles Van Doren and Mortimer J. Adler. (PDF) So while there is a word that exists with a definition, it is like using the words gay, retard, and molest. The words have taken different meanings. Likely, the words people associated with them are: homosexual, a slur describing one of special needs, and improper sexual advances. Originally these words meant happy, to slow, and to disturb. Not only do words change but their perception can as well, such as me calling people homosexual is often met with dislike. Like it or not, this is at the very least something important to consider when making these discussions. (Sorry for the large block on this, I find the subject fascinating!)

Unfortunately, even with my brief interactions, I’ve been finding myself in a rather, perplexing position. I’ve been accused of harassing individuals in a tag and being a drama blog (though apparently being mistaken as not being op makes it better?) while mistakenly being accused of being proship (I state myself rather clearly in my bio.) I’ve sifted through dozens of blogs that were academically impossible to use in a healthy discussion since the tags or blog included threats, suicide baiting, amongst other deplorable words. This topic is interesting, but I’m watching a lot of unhealthy behaviours. I even blocked a fandom callout blog recently for existing in the sense of wanting to harass others. So, it’s interesting, but so hard to find people who are genuinely interested in having a civil conversation from that perspective.

People in the beginning of the Covid lockdown:

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Idea: You could add the amount of violent people who played those games vs those who didn't as well as people who played those games that turned violent vs those who didn't.

As well as *some* sort of media really being similar to propaganda. I've recently seen a video discussing that those military or real life criminal edits popping up recently are pretty much propaganda material or have more potential to turn impressionable young kids into criminals more than most violent video games. Or how young TCC members might idolize them but not actual criminologists with degrees. I still don't think those things will inherently definitely drive someone to be bigoted or violent (I mean I've seen them but I'm not like that) but it's interesting to think about.

Well... Maybe *I* might make a post about that but it's nice talking about it to people who are interested in it.

when I have time, I may write information about the different studies done about violent video games causing violence. Because when I looked up recently to see what politicians said anything about it, I learned that Trump blamed them for being the cause of violence in the US after a 2018 school shooting. So, there were numerous interesting articles, one even dating back to 2004-ish. Plus, I really enjoy psychological studies.