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ooh okay now I understand. Wow, the room for angst with Lo'ak and Spider... from Spider's pov, Lo'ak has thrown away this amazing life he's always wanted, so no wonder he's in a bad mood. And from Lo'ak's pov, Spider's always had the freedom and lack of pressure and expectations he's always wanted, so Lo'ak's finally run away and gotten what he always wanted with Quaritch and the recoms since he couldn't get it with the Sullies.

I can definitely see Spider and Leo butting heads over their differences! A Na'vi who sees Na'vi as evil vs a human who sees humans as evil is interesting. And I guess Kai would be more wary of Spider if Leo butts heads with him... and poor Leo will always think of sweet little baby MJ when he looks at Spider awww.

This is your au, you do whatever you want with it, but I think it would be a really interesting story if Spider finds a way to escape (since Quaritch is less evil in this au, maybe he wouldn't put a tracker in Spider's mask so Spider finds an opportunity to slip away when they're distracted) and makes his way back to Jake and co. And Jake, maybe losing Lo'ak made him reflect on his parenting and he regrets the way he treated Spider so he officially takes Spider in. So we have Jake adopting Quaritch's son and Quaritch adopting Jake's son. And whenever Jake and Quaritch run into each other they're like:

"You stole my son!"

"No, YOU stole my son!"

wait I have another question!

so I understand Kai and Leo are adopted by Quaritch when they're young, and Lo'ak runs away from home because of problems with Jake and then Quaritch takes him in after he gets injured. But what's Spider's deal?

In all of your art, Spider looks like he's not happy to be there, while the other boys all seem happy. Why is Spider still acting like he's a prisoner? Wouldn't Spider be happy that Lo'ak is there since they're best friends? And you described Kai as being like "mowgli" and since Spider is like "tarzan" wouldn't they get along since they're similar?

sorry for so many questions this au is so interesting!

I explained about Leo and Kai in previous post

About Spider

He gets captured almost like in canon. The difference is that of all the recoms, only Warren dies in the process (I can do anything I want in my au and I want recoms to live😌)

So he behaves pretty much like in the movie. About Lo’ak - Spider just genuinely doesn’t understand why would Lo’ak leave his family and everything else (everything Spider ever wanted) and join the “bad guys”. And seeing Lo’ak admiring Quaritch and craving his approval is weird to him. He doesn’t understand it’s literally what he was like around Jake - and that in turn was weird for Lo’ak

The only difference between their cases is that Quaritch is really starting to treat Lo’ak like a son, while Spider has never been anything more than a stray cat to Jake (angst yeah)

Leo and Spider also mirror each other, but in a different way (a human boy raised among the na’vi and a na’vi boy raised by humans). They will have a few problems becoming friends at first, mostly because their very different views of na’vi and humans

Also for Leo the villain is Sully because he’s the reason his father and so many people he cares about are gone. Na’vi - they abandoned him. Quaritch, on the other hand, is a hero to him. He saved Leo when he was a baby and he's been taking care of him ever since

It’s all a matter of perspective

Kai is… different. Spider is Tarzan because he has dreadlocks and climbs trees and I guess you can say he lived in the forest, but Kai is Mowgl because he was literally raised by animals. He behaves more like an animal than like na’vi or human

So he’s close to nature and animals, but not to na’vi culture or Eywa (though he can speak na’vi and he knows other stuff, how to use a bow for example - his father taught him before he died). Also Kai is… you can say weird? wild?… He doesn’t talk much. And he only cares about what Leo cares about.

But after all eventually all the kids gradually get along and become good friends

It’s ok I’m really happy you’re interested😖💙💙💙

Miles the Terrible and his son Miles

Im obviously inspired by the painting Ivan the Terrible and his son Ivan. I find their dynamic is quite fitting for Quaritch and Spider despite the fact that i dont think Quaritch deserves to be Spider’s dad

As someone who is judged for where i came from and who my father is, i can relate to Spider on a personal level. So no i dont want to see the kids take on their fathers’ feud, and i hope the take away from this painting is not how fatherly Quaritch is. I hope i convey a terror

Also i like Spider with fluffy curly hair 🫶

And i painted this in a burst of energy so it kinda a little crooked and messy 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Mini comic

Мини комикс по моей ау

- Эй! Спускайся вниз, сейчас же!

- Заставь меня

!

(Чёрт! На’ви? Здесь не должно быть никакого племени)

- Уходи! Скорее, беги! Пока они тебя не заметили (шёпотом, на на’ви)

Они тебя убьют!

- Паук! Я начинаю терять терпение!

- Чт..!

Нет!

- Ну наконец

Давай ка кое-что проясним

Когда я говорю теб..!

- Не двигаться!

- Ха

- Руки вверх!

- Что это у нас тут…

- Я… полковник?

Это… это я

- Постой…

Лео?

- Что?

- Лео?

- Стой!

Не трогай его, пожалуйста!

- Папа!

- Что?

- Чего?!

- Лео? Это правда он?

- Я скучал по тебе…

- Хей, не плачь, львёнок. Всё в порядке, я здесь

- Что во имя Эйвы тут происходит?!

- Чшшш! Не прерывай их

- Ага, у них тут момент

- Дядя Лайл? Файк?

- Привет мелочь!

- Почему это он дядя Лайл а я просто Файк?

- Я думал вы все мертвы

- Ну в каком-то смысле да. Помнишь я рассказывал тебе о том проекте Феникс?

- То есть вы…

- Мы теперь большие синие зомбаки

- Я… не думал об этом в таком ключе

- И теперь вы все выше меня… опять. Супер

- Ну хватит о нас. Как ты? Что с тобой случилось после битвы?

Ты явно не выглядишь на 26

- Меня поместили в крио, но 4 года назад кое-кто меня разморозил. Так что

Мне теперь 15

- Совсем взрослый, а?

И кто же этот загадочный «кое-кто»? Я надеюсь не один из тех предателей…

- Не, его мама была одной из учёных, но они даже не знают о его существовании. И оба его родителя умерли до того как он меня нашёл так что… Нас было только двое, я и Кай

- И вы вдвоём выживали тут в одиночку на протяжении 4 лет? Как?

- Ну, Кай жил в лесу всю жизнь. Он знает всё. Он даже научил меня стрелять из лука

Кстати… Что случилось с ЭмДжеем?

- Он… теперь зовётся Пауком

- Что… Он?

- Он вырос здесь. С Салли

- Оу. Мне жаль…

- Жаль? О чём?

- Я имею ввиду, я рад что с ним всё в порядке, но…

Он наверное рос, слушая о том, какой ты плохой

- «Он» вообще-то прямо здесь

- Они все видят в тебе только какого-то монстра

- Демона, как они тебя называют

- Ну и в чём они неправы?!

…

- Эмм

Эй, пап?

- М?

- Пойдём со мной. Я хочу познакомить вас с Каем

- Конечно, малыш

Давайте, парни, вперёд. Мы должны вернуться до затмения

- Да, сэр!

- Сюда

- Что ж, расскажи мне обо всём что я пропустил. И про этого Кая. Сколько ему вообще?

…

- Эй! Не отставай, Тарзан

- Ага

- Леоооо! Как насчёт обнимашек с дядей Лайлом?

First meet

The song played in my head when i drew this oneshot:

I still believe to this day that we are missing a scene that should've happened between Spider agreeing the "ride along" and the ikran-bonding scene. I get why Quaritch started to like Spider cause that's his kid even if he won't admit it, but we don't know what happened for Spider to start liking Quaritch. Jack Champion once referenced a scene he filmed that never made it to the final cut where he bullied the recoms into going barefoot. We never see the recoms wear shoes again after Spider joins the group so we know this scene "happened" just off-screen. There's gotta be just one little scene of Quaritch doing something to Spider that made him start to trust him that they cut for whatever reason. I'm not saying there should've been a whole extra arc or anything, but come on, give us SOMETHING!

This is why so many people ended up hating or not understanding Spider. They TOLD us through the way Quaritch and Spider behaved towards each other that they cared, but they didn't SHOW us what actually happened! SHOW not TELL is so important in story telling!

If I don't find out what happened with spider and quaritch in the months that they spent together next movie I’m storming down to disney myself

@spider-socorro-stan

thanks! I knew I'd read it somewhere.

This is exactly what I was talking about. Before this, Quaritch is either mean to Spider or when he's nice it has this fakeness to it like when they talk in the interrogation room. This little moment of Quaritch genuinely grinning at Spider and listening to his advice SHOW us how Spider started to like Quaritch!

I'm not asking for much, but if I could go back and change a few things in ATWOW I would add just a little bit more of this so Spider's decision to save him at the end holds a bit more weight!

If I don't find out what happened with spider and quaritch in the months that they spent together next movie I’m storming down to disney myself

One thing I honestly disliked about Avatar Way of Water was Lo’ak and how his arc was about how he felt like an outcast and that nobody understood him. Because, while he is kind of the black sheep of his family, there’s another character who more closely fits with the themes of feeling like you don’t belong anywhere:

Spider “too Na’vi to be human, too human to be Na’vi” Socorro.

When you compare the two characters circumstances and what they both went through, it feels extremely hypocritical to say that Lo’ak is the “outcast” character in this film when Spider is literally right there. At least Lo’ak has a family that loves and accepts him as part of their family, no matter what shenanigans he gets himself up to; he’ll never not be their family.

Spider on the other hand…well I don’t think I need to explain how his “family” situation is not quite as pleasant.

But then I started thinking about why Lo’ak feels outcasted, more specifically I started thinking about why Lo’ak sees himself in Payakan and how that takes this arc from “hypocritical plot point” to “clever set up for future conflict and arcs.”

Think about it. Why are Lo’ak and Payakan considered outcasts? It’s because both of them make bad decisions which have drastic consequences.

In the first twenty minutes of the movie, we see Lo’ak go against his father’s direct orders and that leads to him and Neteyam nearly getting killed. Later on he chooses to lead himself, his best friend, and his two sisters into an unknown situation that ends up with them getting held hostage and Spider getting kidnapped. And finally his decision to go back for Spider ended up with Neteyam getting killed.

To be clear, I am NOT saying that Lo’ak is responsible for Neteyam’s death or that he’s a terrible brother or friend, just that things are complicated and he makes mistakes that have immense consequences.

Payakan is the same way. When the RDA killed his pod he made the decision to go after them, which led to the deaths of other Na’vi. I also don’t fully blame Payakan for this either, but it’s undeniable that the movie wants us to understand that there is some kind of tangible connection between someone’s misguided but well intentioned actions and the horrible consequences that come after.

This is different from the reason why Spider is outcasted, because Spider never did anything that earned him a bad reputation or tarnished others trust in him. The only reason why Spider is stuck in between worlds, not fully accepted by either, is because he’s a human on Pandora who grew up with Na’vi culture. He’s too much of either group to really fit in with the other.

However, as discussed before, Spider does end up making a well intentioned but misguided decision at the end of Way of Water: he saves Quaritch, and in the next few movies we will see the fallout of that decision and the consequences it’ll bring.

Now, obviously Lo’ak is going to be upset with Spider for this, I would be shocked if all of the Sullys weren’t upset with him for some time after they learn the truth, but Lo’ak’s arc in Way of Water is great setup for how he in particular will eventually come to understand and forgive Spider.

Remember what he said to Tsieryu about Payakan after their conversation with Tonowari?

“Does he have to pay for it[his sins] for the rest of his life?….He knows what he did was wrong and he would never do it again.”

Lo’ak’s arc about being outcasted isn’t focused on circumstances beyond one’s control outcasting someone unfairly, it’s about how people who make well intentioned mistakes and reap terrible consequences still deserve a chance to be better and earn forgiveness; they do not deserve to bare those sins forever if they understand that they were wrong.

My guess is that Spider is going to understand that he was wrong for saving Quaritch and have to deal with the consequences, and in doing so and trying to do better he will earn Lo’ak’s forgiveness and understanding.

Or at least, I hope they go this route or something similar lest all of this set up be for nothing.

Hi i had a dream just now about lyle and quaritch whdre they had stripped their tactical pants into the usual Na'vi loincloths and lyle was rocking it but quaritch had cropped his undershirt so he was being rough quaritch but in a green crop top. w rifle. Military malewife u kno how it goes. - SD

i know exactly how it goes

First night in Bridgegead…conscious, anyways. It’s not easy being a prisoner of the RDA. Poor girl was so confused and scared…

Rey’akina in the beginning of SAS. ✨💙

Things got better when along came a spider… 🕷️🥲

when they got "character who made an undeniably terrible decision but man i dont know what i would have done either" at the function

Beautiful art OP! I am so so sooo curious to see if they go with this idea in A3, and if so how!

I know a lot of people discount this theory as being too far fetched, but technically we've already seen a human with a "kuru." When Grace was dying, and later when Jake permanently transferred into his body, Eywa created a "temporary kuru" to connect with them using her sacred tree roots.

(thanks to @spider-socorro-stan for the image!)

In this screenshot of the leaked script where Kiri and Mo'at discuss what happened to Spider, it looks to me like Kiri says "we weren't at a sacred tree. There was no place to connect. I -- I made the roots obey me. I don't know how -- I don't remember." And then Kiri claims "she did it herself" (presumably saving Spider) and Mo'at urges her to keep it a secret. The fact that Kiri references "roots" when talking about what she did to Spider, makes me think that whatever happens to Spider will involve these special roots that created the temporary kuru for Grace and Jake.

If these roots have the power to let Spider breathe the atmosphere, something unheard of, I don't see why they couldn't also grant him a kuru, something we've already seen before on a human, albeit temporarily.

My theory is that when Kiri "blesses" Spider with the power to breathe the air, she'll use these special roots to do so. I don't know how the roots will help him breathe the air (reddit user u/ellestra has a really interesting theory that microscopic filaments from the roots will "take root" in his lungs and form a symbiotic relationship, similar to how bacteria live in our gut and help us digest out food. The microscopic bits would act as a built in exopack to filter out the unbreathable elements of the atmosphere so Spider can breathe without having his respiratory and cardiovascular system radically overhauled).

But I believe that when Kiri does this, the roots will grow and connect to the back of his neck just like they did for Grace and Jake. The difference is that instead of disconnecting after the ceremony is over, the roots will stay and form a symbiotic relationship, integrating into Spider's nervous system; the roots will receive nourishment from Spider's bloodstream to stay alive and in return Spider gets to have a kuru!

This is why there's concept art of Spider with a kuru and also why he has a new braid in BTS images for Avatar 3. I theorize the reason the braid is significantly shorter than a kuru in the BTS images is because the kuru will start out small and "underdeveloped" right after the "miracle" but will slowly grow over time as it acclimates to his body. That's why the kuru looks thicker and longer in the second BTS image, and then it's full-length in the concept art. It might even start out just as small as it looks in OP's fanart, the difference being is I believe Spider's kuru will grow from the back of his neck like it did on Grace. Of course, the problem with his kuru is that, since it is a separate organism symbiotically attached to him and not a natural part of his body, it won't have any skin growing over it like the Na'vi do and it would just be the unprotected roots. it would be doubly important for Spider to braid his hair over his kuru to protect it.

Anyways, what do you guys think of my theory? I'd love to hear others thoughts on this idea or alternative theories!

New Limb

I refuse to go into more detail, but, I will no longer hold my tongue. my biggest gripe with this fandom is the way a majority of it erases Lo'ak's actual trauma and struggles (with his identity, his father/family, his clan, etc), and essentially gives him Spider's traumas/struggles in some idealized form (whether for over the top and oversimplified "hurt/comfort" scenarios, or max woobification), while absolutely dragging and/or ignoring Spider's entire character and the realistic depictions of those traumas and what that does to a kid.

like I can't exactly put words to it or go into a deep analytical post, but I've been thinking about it, and some other stuff I've seen online have been making me think about it.

stop doing a disservice to both of my boys. they both have such interesting and complex stories and you're ruining it!!!

Neytiri💙

And also I demand a cummerbund for female na'vi👊