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When an RWBY fan does it, it's inferring from context.
When an RWDE, Ironwood lover does it, it's ignoring Head canon.
In any case, most of the problems were caused by RWBY in the first place. Or RWBY had some contribution to the problem.
Ya know with glynda coming to Atlas and everyone calling Vol9 Not Madagascar i can't help but to think that she'd come at Ironwood and Rwby calm/concerned...then starts rushing at them in anger because the of the stuff being done. Ironwood being smart to run first
He would see the look in her eyes and know it was time to get the hell out of dodge. RWBY is confused and starts to call him a coward until Glynda rips them an absolute new one for the shit they've pulled.
dappercat has issues. They make assumptions based on headcanon and denigrate RWDEs when they do the same.
In any case, RWBY lying to Ironwood about the relic and revealing the existence of the new CCT to Robyn were factors to the fall of Atlas. RWBY resisting arrest also exacerbated a situation that was civil, if unjust to RWBY, admittedly.
Ya know with glynda coming to Atlas and everyone calling Vol9 Not Madagascar i can't help but to think that she'd come at Ironwood and Rwby calm/concerned...then starts rushing at them in anger because the of the stuff being done. Ironwood being smart to run first
He would see the look in her eyes and know it was time to get the hell out of dodge. RWBY is confused and starts to call him a coward until Glynda rips them an absolute new one for the shit they've pulled.
The only thing I'd say is wrong is RWBY being called spoiled brats. The problem there is that RT is trying to write around an ideology or a criticism of some theme such as authority over the youth, and in the process failed to see when the narrative would horribly clash with the themes they are trying to put across.
Give this video a watch if you can! Great video made by Judgemental Critter, really does a deep dive into how Team RWBY fail as heroes and come off villainous.
Entitled, spoiled, antagonistic "heroes."
We literally see the bomb go off, we see Harriet doing her damndest to drop said bomb, we see the ace ops discuss if it’s a bluff and agree it fuming wasn’t,
If you think it’s a bluff you’d need to disregard literally everything the show tells us or shows us,
If you think its not a bluff you'd need to disregard that Ironwood did not order the detonation of the bomb the moment he got Penny in his hands.
You'd also have to disregard the fact that Harriet was about to not detonate the nuke thanks to Vine's advice, and Qrow and Robyn were responsible for escalating the tensions into a brawl that set off the bomb.
In any case, you should not be going off on me, or RWDE in general, for something that is entirely RT's fault.
The writers managed to cement Adam Taurus's villainy back in V5 when they SHOWED him detonating the Haven Academy bombs, but was only stopped by Ilia disarming those bombs.
RT dropped the ball (or bomb) on Ironwood because they had Trump Derangement Syndrome and were so eager to write a story about Political Power gone crazy they forgot to do for Ironwood what they did to Adam.
As it is, RT was so eager to have RWBY 'stop' Ironwood they forgot to actually write Ironwood as a definitive villain.
At this point, based on the writing, Ironwood can be interpreted as either a Hero or a Villain. I, and most of RWDE, choose Hero. Now you have to choose if you are willing to agree to disagree on this point.
That's a fair point, but you could also see it as Ironwood's semblance driving him to be as hardhearted as possible to SELL the Bluff.
Was he about to shoot Marrow? Maybe. But comparing Ironwood's off-handed shooting of the Politician, and the delay of Ironwood shooting Marrow, I wonder if Ironwood was going to kill Marrow. Or was Ironwood going to make a big show about it, then order Marrow to be arrested instead.
We won't know because Winter intervened before anything could happen. But if Ironwood had shot first and missed Marrow, before Winter arrested Marrow though, who knows?
Even if Ironwood did kill Marrow, he did it to save Atlas from Salem.
Jaune onscreen killed Penny to stop Cinder taking the Maiden Power.
We literally see the bomb go off, we see Harriet doing her damndest to drop said bomb, we see the ace ops discuss if it’s a bluff and agree it fuming wasn’t,
If you think it’s a bluff you’d need to disregard literally everything the show tells us or shows us,
If you think its not a bluff you'd need to disregard that Ironwood did not order the detonation of the bomb the moment he got Penny in his hands.
You'd also have to disregard the fact that Harriet was about to not detonate the nuke thanks to Vine's advice, and Qrow and Robyn were responsible for escalating the tensions into a brawl that set off the bomb.
In any case, you should not be going off on me, or RWDE in general, for something that is entirely RT's fault.
The writers managed to cement Adam Taurus's villainy back in V5 when they SHOWED him detonating the Haven Academy bombs, but was only stopped by Ilia disarming those bombs.
RT dropped the ball (or bomb) on Ironwood because they had Trump Derangement Syndrome and were so eager to write a story about Political Power gone crazy they forgot to do for Ironwood what they did to Adam.
As it is, RT was so eager to have RWBY 'stop' Ironwood they forgot to actually write Ironwood as a definitive villain.
At this point, based on the writing, Ironwood can be interpreted as either a Hero or a Villain. I, and most of RWDE, choose Hero. Now you have to choose if you are willing to agree to disagree on this point.
The thing isn't just that we think Ironwood could be written better or the story could be done in a different way.
The thing is that some of us like Ironwood unironically, and we are not allowed to do so.
In my case, I consider Ironwood a Hero compared to RWBY as the villains. This is not just a headcanon, but logical inference from the plot and plot context. Read my posts and you would see. However, RWBY fans don't like that and jump on that wagon like bears in heat.
Mine is an extreme case, but other Ironwood fans are also attacked because they like Ironwood.
Ultimately, we are not allowed to interpret Ironwood the way we want to and these attacks against unironic Ironwood fans is getting a little over the top.
That's what we have issue with.
What hurts the most about Ironwood in the end is that Miles and Kerry did this to the character they created.
I hate to bring him into this, but Monty stated that Ironwood was mostly Miles and Kerry's creation.
So Miles and Kerry took the character they created and did that to him.
Out of the entire cast that could have been an author's pet, you'd think it'd be the character created by the two writers who was there from the start.
Honestly….I didn’t know this before but knowing it now….it makes the whole damn hurt even more. Just….how could you do something so fucking awful to a character you created and seemingly liked at one point? I mean I can’t imagine how you could write that kind of story for any character really but….one that you created? It makes even less sense.
Like these guys made this character, and with the kind of people they are….why didn’t they do more projecting onto him? Why didn’t they want and push for a better ending for him? I just cannot comprehend what their thought process is on anything anymore.
Every time I think I’m as sad as I could physically get about James something like this pops up to make me sadder. What possibly could a fictional character you created do to make you hate them so much to do what they did to him?
What RWBY really needs
An Asian Character.
When Team RWBY tries to destroy Atlas:
When Cinder keeps repeating the same mistakes:
When Penny tells Jaune to kill her:
When RT tries to push Bumbleby with some cutesy, funny moment between the most hated lesbian couple.
Anymore reasons why RWBY needs an Asian Character?
James needed to have some pro-wrestling moves in his technique:
Or fight like John Wick:
What I like about Ironwood's fighting style is how much control he has with his own person, and having no superpower to make him as strong as the other semblance users.
Something now about Ironwood vs Team ORNJ made me realize how he's much more stronger and capable of coordination, and how others' superpowers never detour him. They have their cheats of leveling up, but he relies heavily on what he has. He may as well be a regular human and he's still much better than superhumans.
I enjoy how he uses his strength only for some moments. James is strong enough to grab a Grim arm and stop them. Strong enough to stop a Mammoth summon. And yet he still uses all that strength sparingly, rather wanting to utilize his brain and guns to perform strategic takedowns.
Too bad nobody else in the show is as unique as James. Truly king for having less than others and yet powerful in his own way.
Character Design
It is common for new writers to try and cram their character sheet with pages of details and backstory. With column upon column for trivia, minutiae, and physical statistics. Just like the character sheets of the Writer's personal inspiration.
Writers don't realize that those character sheets are written from the perspective of the audience. An audience who has read the story and compiled these sheets from the details they gleaned from the story they have read.
New Writers should try to make their characters as simple as possible. Heck, leave a few gaps here and there so that they can fill these gaps over the course of the story they write.
The only justification I can truly give James Ironwood (who, despite everything, I still want to hug) for what he did today, is that there is no justification for CRWBY making him do it, because nothing in the volume led to it. They just decided that in the last episode he was going to be a villain, with no way for him to come back from it. There is nothing but blatant character assassination that they put on him, and that's the thing that's unforgivable here.
CRWBY, stop destroying the only good characters you have left. You did it with Ozpin, and now you've done it with James. I hope you're happy with what you've accomplished.
Step 1: build a new global communications thingamajig out of Amity Arena.
Step 2: Tell the people of Atlas about Salem.
Step 3: Use the military to help Atlas come to grips with the fight against Salem.
Step 4: Tell Remnant about Salem.
Step 5: Atlas mobilizes the army to deal with the global panic.
https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/A_New_Approach
From the episode transcript as linked above.
Step Ruby: Derail everything then co-opt Ironwood's plan when it all goes to shit, and conveniently paint Ironwood as the bad guy.
To the Ironwood fans who said that he had a plan and Team RWBY didn't at the end of Volume 7-
What, exactly, WAS his plan? Not what you interpret as his plan, what was his plan as stated/shown in the show itself?
And on top of that, for the Ironwood fans who said that Team RWBY suffered no consequences-
What is your definition and example of consequences in stories.
Compared to RWBY's plan where the majority of Atlas died when Cinder blew up the dimension bridge, or are trapped in a sandstorm made of flying Grimm, and Salem takes two of the four relics from RWBY leaving them with NO relics?
Also RWBY's plan led to Jaune killing Penny. A pro gamer move, losing the items you were meant to protect, and killing your own teammate.
Furthermore, Atlas's defences as they were have held back the Grimm since the show started. Salem has also shown to have failed to directly damage Atlas's shield, and she needed infiltrators to sabotage Atlas's mechanics before she could invade Atlas. The fact that Salem had failed to get through Atlas's embargo before V7 further indicates the superiority of Atlas's defences against Salem's Grimm in a direct fight.
Taking that into account, Atlas could have either stalemated Salem long enough to get reinforcements from the Mistral or Vacuo, or used Ambro's power, since Atlas would have the Winter Maiden, to fashion a propulsion system to get Atlas to Argus, which is relatively unharmed and the closest city friendly to Atlas.
You can't say that Ambro can't build a dimensional network that connects Atlas to Argus once Atlas is safely up in the air away from Salem. RWBY did it to get to Vacuo.
In any case, Ironwood's 'spreading the word about Salem' at the beginning of V7 still applies at the end because;
(1) RWBY did what Ironwood always intended to do in V8; and
(2) There was ever only ONE plan, and the events of end V7 and the entirery of V8 are the result when RWBY derailed Ironwood's strategy, and everyone is trying to pick up the pieces.
Therefore, step Ironwood has more options than step RWBY. Which only led to agonizing failure.
Speaking of, you said in your post that Ironwood would be playing siege warfare against an enemy that doesn't need to eat, sleep, and can't die. Now this is Ironwood dealing with this enemy from a tech laden fortress which is adequately manned, and bolstered by a still combat effective army. How would RWBY fair any better with a dozen Huntresses between them and the Happy Huntresses, in street-to-street fighting against an enemy that doesn't need to eat, sleep, and can't die? While protecting a mass of civilians at the same time, panicking and attracting more Grimm as they do so?
To the Ironwood fans who said that he had a plan and Team RWBY didn't at the end of Volume 7-
What, exactly, WAS his plan? Not what you interpret as his plan, what was his plan as stated/shown in the show itself?
And on top of that, for the Ironwood fans who said that Team RWBY suffered no consequences-
What is your definition and example of consequences in stories.
was watching random early vol. clips of rwby and suddenly remembered ironwood’s crush on glynda! genuinely so cute and wish we could’ve seen them two interact more. at first it seems like glynda can’t stand him, but then they have that moment together when they talk and you realize that they really are friends and she cares abt him! they didn’t even necessarily have to get together, but it would’ve been great to see more of their friendship. maybe even if glynda got to show up in vol. 8 and “talk ironwood down” or whatever.
it’s just such a shame bc even though ironwood clearly wasn’t perfect in the early volumes, he clearly had such good intentions and was only doing his best. there was a clear intention for his worst aspects to be redeemed later on. but somewhere between his last appearances in vol. 3 and 4 & then his reappearance in vol. 7 there was a clear shift in the way crwby wrote & perceived ironwood, and that showed. he went from being a flawed but well-intentioned man who, even after everything, had a strong connection with his allies (his scene with glynda & the moment when qrow saves him from the grimm during the fall of beacon shows that) to a villain, a military man, a stubborn asshole, etc.
even then, there are so many moments of humanity in vol. 7 with him. his awkwardness, his emotions, him hugging qrow, his interactions with rwbyjnr at the start of the volume… i’m not saying that he was a perfect man. i’m not even saying the idea of him spiraling downwards and no longer allying himself with the heroes was a bad idea (i love a good fallen hero storyline & aspects of his militarism and lack of ability to trust others is apparent his early volumes!) i’m just saying that fully & completely trying to fit him into an irredeemable role just does not fit. he definitely didn’t deserve to be completely written the way that he was by the end
just think abt glynda’s words to him in the early volumes… that he always did what he thought was right/best even despite protest, and how that was admirable, but he needs to learn to trust his allies better. that does not equal a straight up villain in my eyes.
Beautiful.
it's a little (very) entertaining to watch certain sects of the fandom lose their minds over nsfw artists drawing fairly sfw art rather than losing it over the fandom-designated Problematic Male Faves™ existing for once
That last anon who tried to play off my experiences during Covid as a story just have me raging even hours later. Like how the ever loving fuck can anyone convince themselves that calling a persons life experience made up is okay? I had people accusing me of hiding information from them. I had people screaming at me for overreacting to Covid and other people losing their shit saying I wasn’t treating Covid seriously enough. I had to hear stories of friends dying after being infected from Covid by careless and heartless guests. I was told by corporate I had to do more to check in and make sure my employees where okay while no one could give a flying fuck if I was okay. I had guests old enough to be my parents demanding comfort from me. I BROKE during Covid. So do not tell me my experiences are a fucking story.