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Tips for Redeemed! Simon Laurent AU writers

Before starting i just want to clarify this is only an opinion and you can think otherwise if you want anyway here we go!

I still think that a redeemed Simon from infinity train even tho he would be redeemed at some point in your AU he should not loose his character traits i mean he should be showing traces of inmature, logical, controlling, insecure, distrustful, frustrated, short tempered, straight forward, stubborn, (because of his own low emotional intelligence) fun loving and cute child like behavior at times (just let the negative traits show mildly as a remnant of his old self so he dosen´t turn back to villain or if your are going to use them like that make him struggle with that and turn back to rason) besides his hobbies with his novel and miniatures oh.. and also make him extremly edgy and grumpy… because he was a villain remember?… aaaand not a nice one either….

finally our boy would have a lot of emotional walls to keep pepole from getting close, because both he dosent want to get hurt and also because he belives he is unworthy of love (After all the damage he has done and understanding it and with that temper and emotions of his he would want to stay away from pepole.)

Simon could actually come back

the eon ocilator (the evolution thermostat that these guys had) on season 4

said artifact with the right modifications can restore things in a point forward or backwards in their evolution... said artifact dont have any limits tho repairing broken things and stuff

if that´s the case then using the artifact Grace or Samantha could... (GASP)

On why tho...

Samantha could resurrect Simon because of guilt for indirectly causing his own demise (she knows the train better than anyone so probably knows where the artifact is and how to use it)

Grace could resurrect simon too if she had said arftifact from the apex previous raids as for why is because (a) she still apreciates his friend and because of 8 years of friendship (b) she still fells guilty about it deep inside emotionally even tho she admited it was not responsable for it at first she would be hesitant (because he was the most terrible person you could imagine) and probaly would be spending days thinking if she should resurrect him or not...but if she does it.. it could have 2 outcomes

Simon dosen´t change and keeps being a villan in the series

Simon opens a path for redemption (unlikely... possible but unlikely unless he is resurrected in child form (it dosent seems that the artifact can turn back mentality but everything is possible)) 

however there are one requisite for this to happen: Grace or Samantha must have keeped simon´s remains

This is only an idea and could be wrong... but seems oddly convinient to introdue an artifact that can turn back or forward time itself on certain objects it is placed on like a train car, a giant piglet, a porcelain cow, etc. anyway writers now that infinity train has ended for now... this can be used as ideas for a future AU for your fics...  

Simon visual characterization in case you want to write him with non verbal lenguaje

thought #2:

Simon Laurent doing his little malewife hand on hip pose

introduction

1: peak comedy

Simon character analisis again

Simon has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He also has depression as well as trauma. The latter of which is part of the reason the train came to him in the first place. However, Simon is in denial over having been traumatized.

He’s insistent over being “too strong” to be traumatized, and “too smart” to ever fall into a traumatic situation. But it’s all simply denial.

more simon ideas for alternate Au

“Simon would’ve killed Hazel if Grace hadn’t lied to him!” lol no he wouldn’t have and the show literally tells us he wouldn’t

a little of character facts about simon that you will need to consider to your au 

Okay first off a child's imagination is something else

Second Simon is delusional like is this bitch crazy or what

Like damn he keeps acting like this pretty soon he going to get his number to infinity in no time at all

Simon has a lot of issues so lets give more psycholgy understanding about his character in your au in case you want to keep him a villain

This episode, their dynamic in it, and the impact is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO underrated. If you ever had somebody you thought you could trust be right next to you going through something and they have ZERO sympathy, no empathy, then they antagonize you and when you're vulnerable and frustrated they mentally attack you...

This episode was one of the most realistic depictions that I've ever seen of that type of anguish. I had years of that from someone and the way this cartoon that y'all lie to yourselves and say is for kids so accurately showed me images of my own life from 18-early 20s with a toxic, traumatized man that I thought loved me for whatever reason.

I'm still shook by this episode. My skin was crawling. Had he been able to get into my brain and cause more damage...

more analysis for Simon Laurent

Something about Simon that I noticed that proves that he is very good written

The way he owns so many gadgets.

He doesn't have only the harpoonpack, he also has the number tracker and the anti gravity boots.

Why?

Couse he is scared that something will happened and he won't be prepared.

He wants to be organized and prepared couse he is constantly overthinking if something will happen.

And you know what overthinking is a symptom of?

Anxiety.

Which without doubt Simon had.

The way he was anxious about being in a new situation that he wasn't prepared for.

As soon as he entered the Jungle Car, he wanted to check if they were prepared for whatever can happen next.

In conclusion,

Simon is not just a bad male character. He is a human being with a personality. He has a personality, he has his interests, opinions.

This is what Book 3 showed us, that even the bad guys. The most horrible people, have personalities.

more Simon analysis

Simon is having an anxiety attack while Grace is just chilling - Simon and Grace about Change

In just second episode we could see their views on change

Simon is scared of change. It makes him feel anxious, it takes away his safety. When they entered the jungle car, he got scared of sudden change of situation and place. He got calmer about when Grace told him that "it's gonna be like old times", she made him think that they're not really in a new situation, she made this situation remain him of old times, safe times.

Grace was chill about sudden change of place. She was curious, positive about it. She saw the positives, like that she has Simon by her side.

He was scared of change.

She wanted to explore it.

AAAND more character analisis for Grace and simon YAY

Grace and Simon's friendship was the realest thing in the Apex, but they were never able to really help each other or be vulnerable with each other. I think this conversation in Jungle Car exemplifies that on Grace's end:

Simon: Threats seem minimal. Grace, fake-serious: But Simon presence remains aloof and dorky! Grace: Dude, we are the Apex, but also... we're Grace and Simon, remember! Simon: Yeah... Grace, mockingly: Yeah. Grace: Yeah, what? I've seen you lead an army of kids, but I've also seen you play sockball! You can play super serious general guy when we get back. Until then, loooosen uuuup!

Grace: Think of it as us being on leave.

These are the things that really strike me about this conversation:

Grace is giving Simon a hard time, but she's also being truthful and sincere. I don't see any lies or even anything misleading here.

Grace calls his usual persona "play[ing] super serious general guy" but also gives him the "think of it as us being on leave" out. She's using the rhetorical technique of appealing to his personal values, without being dishonest and pretending she shares them.

Notice how indirect Grace is being about her emotional reasoning. We can infer that she really wants to relax and have fun with Simon, because that's clearly what she's trying to achieve here and what we see them doing together after this conversation. But Grace doesn't say "I miss you" or "wouldn't it be fun to hang out?" or anything like that. She says what she has to say to get what she wants, expressing as little of her interior self as possible.

Also interesting how she pivots to talking about just Simon and not both of them in the middle there (while talking about specifics?)... like, she doesn't say "we lead an army but we also goof around together", she says "I've seen you" etc. I wonder if that's also partly because Simon responds better to that kind of approach.

If this is also an attempt to help Simon calm down and feel better (and I think it is), then that's also something Grace isn't explicitly acknowledging. I don't think in this case it's "bad" not to flat out say that, but I do think it's part of a larger pattern of their relationship... like, she didn't need to say that here, but she didn't say that here because this generally isn't a friendship where they acknowledge each other's feelings or caring about each other's feelings, and in a lot of other situations... that's bad! (It's also not something Simon asked for, or that I think he understands he could ask for/knows how to ask for.)

Interesting implicit acknowledgement from Grace here that playing Apex leaders works against their ability to actually be themselves.

It's like, this is a conversation that I could imagine happening between two people who have a healthy relationship, but because this is (as far as I can tell) the most sincere and open and caring conversation they'd had in ages, and as sincere and open and caring as it ever gets between them until Grace opens up in the chalet episode... feels like symptoms of a broader pattern.

Things to consider

Simon “unable to change” Laurent

Simon might have taken the wrong choices but however lets not forget that Grace played a part on it even if it was unkowingly… if you want to create a reason why Simon is mad at Grace and create something from his perspective this is for you... and remember in this tragedy nobody is to blame.

Should Simon Have Friend-Dumped Grace?

Note: this article does not sufficiently weigh Simon’s bad behaviors in Episode 11, “The New Apex”. This article has been kept unmodified for posterity.

Part 1 of 2: Series Abstract and “Strikes”

(Caveat: there’s a convincing case to be made they’re in a codependent abusive relationship, so treating this as a friendship gone bad may be the incorrect protocol or oversimplified. Still, for the sake of not re-writing the whole thing, it will be presented with the thesis they were originally close friends. Due to the difficulty of researching causes to friend-dump someone who isn’t toxic, some references come from toxic-friend protocol, so there would be some overlap.)

Abstract

The protagonists of Infinity Train’s third season, Grace Monroe and Simon Laurent, start off very close. However, as the season progresses, their friendship deteriorates, as clear through dialogue, but also facial expressions, body language, and vocal details. And yet, Simon chose to stay with her and obey her, if with increasing reluctance, and cared deeply about her (to him) inexplicable behavior changes. And it’s because he cared so much about Grace that he had to find out what was causing everything, leading to that shocking moment: “We….just won’t tell Simon, okay?” Later on, he shoves her off a train bridge to certain death, and briefly looks shocked and sad before he descends into maniacal laughter, and is then killed by a Ghom.

Perhaps if Simon had friend-dumped Grace earlier on, he could have avoided much of his turmoil.

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Should Simon Have Friend-Dumped Grace?

Part 2 of 2: Conclusions

Note: this article does not sufficiently weigh Simon’s bad behaviors in Episode 11, “The New Apex”. This article has been kept unmodified for posterity.

(For the purpose of this article, “friend-dumping” will mean leaving Grace behind before The Origami Car and cutting her out of his life, whether by exiling her from The Apex or Simon leaving The Apex.)

So what happens next?

There are strong arguments for and against Simon friend-dumping Grace, which can be sorted into both moral and practical reasoning.

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this thing will never fail to creep me tf out