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So what the hell even IS the relation between Monsters and Humans in the world of Deltarune?

Undertale made the basics very clear to the Player straight from the opening of the game: Monsters and Humans used to live together as equals, after the war the monsters got sealed in the Underground, with humans ruling over the surface. The more specific details of Monster-Humans relations got revealed as the game went on, since both Frisk and the Player were introduced to Monster Culture. 

(That’s why I always assumed the narration is like… the standard Human narrative about the War of Humans and Monsters, what Frisk knew before venturing to the Underground. That’s why the opening narration implies it was a long and seemingly equally-matched battle, rather than horribly one-sided as described by the ancient writings in Waterfall)

But in Deltarune this is one of the things the game plays on to separate us from Kris. Kris has lived in this world all their damn life, and as the Only Human in Town, they’re probably more aware of Monster-Human Relations than most - but we’re still newcomers. And the game is intentionally obscuring and confusing the details of the dynamics from us for now.

(Kris themself might be doing it, since this is what happens when you check the bookshelf that had “The History of Humans and Monsters” innit during Chapter 2)

(which honestly kinda reminds me of…)

But what HAVE we managed to learn so far?

There’s some stuff that seems to indicate Humans living side-by-side with Monsters just like pre-war and post-Pacifist Ending in the Undertale Timeline. A lot of it is early on in Chapter 1 and I think it was kinda meant to confuse us into initially thinking that Deltarune is a direct continuation of Undertale’s Pacifist Ending.

For example, gingerbread monsters and gingerbread humans…

Compared to Toriel’s house in the Underground in Undertale, which only had gingerbread monsters

A book about “the History of Humans and Monsters”

Versus Undertale where we kept finding books about “Monster History”

Although yeah, some of those references are just part of the Deltarune Chapter 1 Misdirection, they are still real things in this world. And a few still exist way past the point of trying to make us think is this happening after the Pacifist Ending. Like Susie’s comment in the end of Chapter 2.

I MEAN…. Giant Human Movies technically exist in our world where Monsters don’t exist at all. But they’re not considered as like… a separate equivalent to Giant Monster Movies, they’re just considered ‘giant monster movies’? And there’s not so many of them? This kinda implies that Humans and Monsters are seen as equal to the point that they’re about an equal amount of movies done about them being Giant and rampaging through town.

Buuuut on the other hand, it’s hard to ignore the fact that Kris is the Only Human in Town. We have seen no other Human anywhere. There this little Rabbit kid who keeps asking them invasive questions that imply a lack of familiarity with Human biology. 

And mentions of Kris trying to fool other people with that presumed lack of familiarity

And the books in the town’s library seems to be written exclusively to a Monster Audience

So it’s not surprising that some people assume that the Deltarune timeline might the ‘reverse’ of where Undertale started. Monsters are living on the surface and the Humans…. might be trapped underground? (maybe in a certain bunker?) Or they just died out? That Kris isn’t just the Only Human in Town, but one of the few Humans around, period?

After all, a lot of the stuff that might initially suggest Monster and Human co-habitation is found in the Dreemurr’s house. Maybe Toriel bought human-shaped gingerbread cutters and books about Human history to try and help Kris feel less like an outsider in their own home?

(The other possibility is that there’s both an about-equal amount of Humans and Monsters but they tend to live in separate communities. Like, Hometown is a town in the middle of MonsterCountry and most of the humans live in HumanCountry)

But there’s OTHER stuff in the game that doesn’t seem to match with these idea, too! The thing I keep thinking about is the Dreemurr household’s shampoos.

A small container of shampoo for the hair of the one Human in the household. A gallon-sized container for the fur of the one (two? how long has it been since Asriel left for college?) large fuzzy goat in the household. 

But… in a world where there’s an equal amount of Monsters and Humans, why would a shampoo for fur be labeled as ‘PET shampoo’?? Plenty of Monsters, who are fully-sapient people, have fur instead of hair or fur AND hair. Why would Kris’ shampoo be considered ‘default’ while Toriel needs to use a shampoo designed for PETS?

At first I thought it was just a minor plot inconsistency but now I can’t stop wondering about that. 

Is it actually a thing where… Kris is the Only Human in TOWN, but Hometown is the Only Town of Monsters? Like, outside of Hometown Monsters are still very much in the minority compared to Humans? So while their library can stock up with Monster-Centric books, mass-produced products like shampoo are still very human-centric? 

I’ve heard some people speculate that Susie is New in Hometown, maybe she came from a Human-majority town where she was treated by an outsider for being a Monster - only to move to Hometown and find out that she’s STILL an outsider. Making her both the inverse and exactly the same as Kris - who lived all their life in the Monster Town of Hometown and doesn’t seem to relate much to other Humans. If they moved into a Human-centric town, they’d be just as much as an outsider as they are in Hometown, if not more. 

That might explain why she seems weirded specifically by the concept of gingerbread monsters (even though in Hometown, it seems like the gingerbread humans would be the Weird thing)

And might also explain this line from Susie in Chapter 1 

Which seems weird because if Monsters even remotely follow Undertale Rules, they do NOT bleed. I mean, the burying practices of Hometown seems to confirm Monsters still turn to dust when they die - and all the references to Kris’ blood that I brought up earlier sure seem to imply that only Humans have blood and therefore only humans bleed?

But if we assume Susie grew up in a Human-majority community… it’s possible that this is where she picked up that phrase????

I’m not sure which of these options I really believe (or would like to see happen). They all seem to have their evidence, but they all seem to have something that makes them Not Quite Work. And I’m never sure if I’m looking too closely into a silly oversight or really up to something.

What IS for sure is that the game doesn’t want me to be sure about this, at least not quite yet. There’s SOME misdirection going on and I wonder where it leads.

I’m thinking about the idea that Kris was preventing us from reading that “History of Humans and Monsters” book. Is it because they figured out we’re Not From Around Here, and the less we know, the more they can trip us up and possibly reveal us? Or is there just something in that book Kris doesn’t like reading about?

I don't think that Kris made the dark fountain or is the Knight because the dark world was already there before them and Susie even went in the closet,Kris also seemed scared to even go in the closet which is strange if they made the dark fountain in there

I also think that it is a little bit far fetched to think that Kris would even try to kill/harm Susie.

And what happened in snowgrave was the player's doing not Kris'

Yea it is weird that Kris has a knife on them but I don't think they would try to kill someone willingly.

So at the end of chapter 2 we get confirmation that Kris is the knight, and opens portals with their blade (their knife), right? We get confirmation that at the end of chapter one when Kris tears the player out of their body, they go and make the fountain in the library, the very one that shows up in chapter 2, also.

If Kris is the one making the portals, ones that immediately suck the surrounding people into them, why didn't we immediately get sucked into the portal in the closet in the first chapter?

Well, there's three answers.

One, Toby just wanted to add suspense, and I'm looking far too into this after playing the snowgrave route and having pixelated ice-murder on my brain.

Two, Kris hadn't made the portal yet, and made it as they were in the closet with Susie, out on a whim and not knowing they were able to do so,

And three, Kris had their knife in the closet with them because they were going to harm or even kill Susie. I know this sounds far fetched but when you think about it, Susie was bullying and threatening to kill Kris, who we already know is a morally grey character. Say Kris DIDN'T make the portal before hand, why would they have their knife on them? Why would they willingly go into a room ALONE with Susie who just threatened their life?

Why would they open a dark fountain right in their livingroom while she was sleeping, knowing it'd end the world?

It’s up to Susie?

So I dunno if anyone has thought of this theory with the whole Ralsei asking us how Susie’s doing but I wanna put in my two cents.

But what if Ralsei wants us to view Susie doing nice things for a reason, being a character we could trust in doing the right thing (and being very lovable)

Chapter 1

Chapter 2

I could easily see Ralsei talking about Susie

‘So that’s why… it has to be Susie‘

Something to that extend

I don’t have any ideas on why, it just feels like Susie is going to grow more and more into a hero with each chapter, someone we root for, someone the player wants to side with

My theory is that Ralsei is telling Kris that Susie is going to be their last hope in something or that she’ll be the one give the final choice in something?

Anyway, that was my rambling on a theory that just popped in my head XD

GOD FUCKING damnit KRIS where the FUCK are we!?

also...

what’s is that SMELL!?

I wanna see a Fic of The Black Phone and Fnaf(Movie or Not) Crossover

Shitpost

Id like to present this AU ive been put further thought on! Darkest Worlds is a Deltarune AU where monsters and humans live in an O'Neill Cylinder looking for a new home! Note: Cyber City's dark fountain is placed at the control/computer room of the entire colony/ship

Oh goodness I never posted these here! Susie and Noelle try out Rocket's Glasses!

I tend to draw a bunch of sketches and never post them oof

Deltarune Darkest Worlds AU Susie! yaah

Allthe kidos with their big uncle!!! <3

Thinking about Susie teaching Ralsei about sarcasm, and realising that it's more than just a funny "haha let's corrupt the little cinnamon bun" bit.

See, Susie never quite says what she means - everything's couched in casual insults and performative frustration. And yet, because we can read between the lines, we know exactly how she feels about her friends and the situations she finds herself in.

Her teaching Ralsei about sarcasm - saying one thing and meaning another - could actually be seen as her attempting to teach him about the way she specifically interacts with the world... teaching him to look further than the surface detail of what people say and interpret the deeper meaning hiding in plain sight.

By doing this, perhaps what Susie is really trying to do is to let Ralsei into her world, so that he can understand her better... so that they can be better friends.

And oh, isn't that just the sweetest thing ever?

The education system failed them, but physics sure won't.