I Think One Of The Most Annoying Things Is How Conrad Kept Telling Everybody To Grow Up But The Thing

I think one of the most annoying things is how Conrad kept telling everybody to grow up but the thing is they were but he wasn’t. Like I get it Conrad you have anxiety and you’re mom was dying but Jere was also going through it and he was literally there watching Susannah die. And there is this whole argument how Belly ruined Jeremiah and Conrad’s brotherhood but that wasn’t just Belly, both boys did it to themselves. Like they let Belly come between them, Conrad lied to Belly saying Jere was over her when in episode seven eight it is very much confirmed that Jere never got over her. And the communication was never there. Like I get the whole idea of how Belly and Conrad are just cute but like that doesn’t mean they are a healthy couple. They literally never communicated. Like who knows if Conrad was even trying to actually break up with Belly at prom but they don’t communicate so it all just fell to shit. Meanwhile Jeremiah and Belly talk things through. Like the car ride to cousins when they got the flat tire. Great example of them talking out their feelings and problems. And Conrad as the older brother overlooked Jeremiah as well, Jere always put on a smile but Conrad never noticed how hurt and how much pain Jere was really in. But Jere always tried to put Conrad’s feelings first. And the way Conrad told Belly on the beach that Jeremiah wouldn’t care that they got together because Jeremiah doesn’t take anything seriously like that’s bs. And I can get people liking Conrad as a character (sometimes, other times he’s a complete dick) but I will never understand how anybody could support Conrad and Belly as a couple. And it’s fine if you don’t like Belly and Jeremiah (which would be insane) as a couple but like how do you say Jeremiah is toxic but not Conrad. And people are making this big deal about how Conrad remembered her favorite candy and Jeremiah forgot, but you know what Jeremiah didn’t forget, everything else, he remembered Belly’s guidance counselor suggesting Finch as a school she could go to, he puts Belly first. Multiple times Jeremiah has been willing to or has given up his own happiness for others, like telling Conrad that if Belly chooses him he wouldn’t come in the way because he just wants Belly to be happy and his brother as well, and when Belly goes to tell Jeremiah who she picked Jere immediately thinks she chose Conrad so he tells her they can still be friends.

And I know I’m just going on a rant and this doesn’t completely go with what I was saying but anybody who thought the car ride back from Brown with Belly, Jeremiah and Conrad was just cute and funny and that Conrad was just being playful, are very much blind to the toxicity and blatantly disrespectfulness of the situation.

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I don’t think Jere had any right to be annoyed at Conrad for kissing belly. They weren’t significant others in any definition of the term, they had only kissed a few times, which he had done with several other people that summer. Jere hadn’t been hinting at all how he felt. In fact he had many opportunities to, at the bonfire before she met cam, but some other girl called him away and he went to flirt with her instead.

Conrad didn’t break up with belly at her prom, she broke up with him. He just wanted to go home to his mum and kept saying how bad he felt for letting her down on that night, he even asked her “don’t do this” but she left him. Conrad went home to his mum as much as he could, and we saw in season one how much he took care of her. But that doesn’t mean he wasn’t allowed to spend time with belly or that he should of spent that time with his mum instead, seeing belly and being supported by her was one of the only happy things he had in his life.

I do think that Jere needed permission to kiss belly after she broke up with Conrad. Sorry but, kissing your brothers ex, two months after they broke up and one month after your mum died isn’t something I believe is okay to do. Jere also does talk badly of Conrad, he tells belly that Conrad will break her heart, he also insults Conrad to his face and says he’s not someone he would ever want to know which is horrible.

He’s constantly telling people to grow up because that’s what he’s been forced to do, so he finds it difficult that others don’t have to do the same. He’s always been told by his dad and both mums that he has to look after everyone because he’s the oldest, even though it’s only by one year. That kind of pressure is insane for an 18 year old.

Him and Nicole were never exclusive or in a relationship, he does apologise for leading her on, and accepts accountability for that. But they were never exclusive, and Nicole even says that her feelings aren’t hurt, he just wasted her time. He shuts everybody out BECAUSE he puts them first, he doesn’t want to burden them with his problems. Which is why he doesn’t tell anyone about his mums cancer. I’m not saying it’s healthy or good, but it is coming from a place of care for others over himself. He’s been told he has to take care of them all, so he shields them from his problems.

His reaction and response to them kissing I feel was justified, they were kissing on his car, and campus, when they only broke up two months ago. And were together for at least six months and slept together. If you feel that you can rationalise Jeres reaction and say it’s normal for him to be pissed, when he had only shared a couple of kisses with belly. Then surely you can see why Conrad would be upset that his brother kissed his ACTUAL ex girlfriend. Who he had a serious relationship with.

No I very much see how Conrad being pissed that Jeremiah and Belly were kissing on his car is rational. I just feel that everything he said wasn’t justified. He slut shamed Jeremiah which is not okay. And I never said I don’t like Conrad. I understand Conrad. I just think that Jeremiah is better for Belly. Also the fact that the two of them slept together should have any impact on their other relationships. It was a special moment for them but does not mean they owe each other anything.

And I do think Jere being upset at Belly and Conrad kissing is valid too. Both boys have feelings for Belly so it’s going to be upsetting no matter who it is.

Jeremiah was very subtle with how he felt but if you remember the pool scene when Jeremiah is saying that he’s been waiting for his time. He had stepped back when she went after Cam and he stood back because he knew that Belly had been crushing on Conrad for years. But he felt that it was his chance to be something more.

The prom break up I do admit was very messy and unclear. Belly felt Conrad pulling away from her and thought he was breaking up with her. And Conrad wasn’t being very clear about the situation and he was walking people out because he was going through a lot. It was a bunch of miscommunication which is what I was saying in the first place. They communicated with each other poorly.

And I wasn’t saying that Conrad shouldn’t have spent any time with Belly, they were dating and I love that he went out of his way to be with her. But Jeremiah’s frustration of having to go through it (Susannah’s death) alone while Conrad was at school is also valid. And I know Conrad loved and cared for his mom but school took a toll on that. I’m not saying that he never went to visit his mom and brother but it was definitely rough on all of them.

Yes Jere does tell Belly that Conrad is going to break her heart, and we’ll be did. He was pissed that he was losing Belly to Conrad and that his mom was dying. But he never talks bad about him to other people besides that. And yes Jeremiah says some really cruel things to Conrad this season and I’m not trying to excuse him for this but Conrad did belittle Jeremiah’s emotions. When Belly told Conrad that Jeremiah had told Belly that he had feeling for them and that they had kissed, Conrad says that Jeremiah won’t care because he doesn’t take anything seriously and flirts with everybody. But when Jeremiah was “with” Belly he was very loyal to her.

And yes while Nicole and Conrad were never really official or exclusive they were still “seeing” each other. And being led on by someone for them to text somebody else you’ve become close to that what they said earlier was a lie and he really wanted to ask her. Also after telling Nicole that he was going to ask Belly ONLY because his mom was making him.

On the aspect of him telling people to grow up though, I don’t entirely agree with you there. Conrad might of had to grow up sooner than he should have but so did Jeremiah. Jere was literally handling Susannah’s medical bills and the insurance. Which no kid should have to do. But as somebody who went through something “similar” in a way where I had to grow up before I should of had to at 9 I can’t understand fully Conrad’s behavior.

And I do agree that the parents are way too hard on him but sometimes that comes with being the oldest, which doesn’t make it okay. But Adam (the boys dad) was also never so easy on Jeremiah either. He constantly compared them to each other and made Jere feel bad that he wasn’t athletic and that he wasn’t playing football.

Conrad walling people off was not entirely him trying to protect them. I do think it was his own coping mechanism though. And I mean a lot of people do it. But I understand how the people around him felt hurt by him when he did it. He should have told his mom that he knew about the cancer, that way Susannah not Conrad had to go through all that alone. And I do think that Conrad should have told Jeremiah about it as well but I also see how it’s not his place to tell him. But again I’m not saying Conrad is doing it to be mean but that’s how a lot of people first hand may end of viewing it.

Also I never said nor will I ever say that Conrad doesn’t put other people first it’s just in a very different way and people may not know it.

All I’m saying is that Jeremiah and Belly are the better couple. All three of them have their issues and flaws that they need to work on but they also have beautiful things about them.

Maybe it’s a difference in opinion but I feel two months is a very short bounce back from your first relationship. Especially when you’re bouncing back in a stage of grieving and onto his brother. As for Jelly fans maybe you’re on the wrong corner of this web! The majority I’ve seen out there esp on TikTok and tumblr are jelly skippers and I’ve seen jelly edits with like close to a million likes. So there’s definitely people out there that share your opinion. I think they both think they love each other, but if the show follows the books they will both realise that they don’t know or love each other in anymore than a platonic way. Which I feel is what’s being foreshadowed already. But it’s interesting to hear different opinions. Especially when they’re respectful as you are.

I agree I think we definitely view and understand the characters differently and that’s okay.

Two months though while not a lot is also a lot. A lot can happen. And I agree it does seem a little fast but Jeremiah already knew he loved Belly and Belly I feel had been thinking more about him recently and she realized it was him for her. But I do see how it seems very just forced. And Conrad technically wasn’t Belly’s first relationship but he was her first love

Something that I hate right now is this Blake Lively controversy. Everybody is saying that she went about promoting the movie wrong but I’m just gonna say this, the interviewers are in charge of what topics are discussed and what questions are asked! So if it looks like Blake was mis-promoting the movie it’s not really her fault. And I get there is more to it but people also keep making videos about it but taking clips completely out of context. Yes the movie is about a serious topic and yes it should have been discussed in interviews but also it isn’t an easy topic to talk about. But they made a movie about it, Blake shouldn’t be receiving all this hate. #blakelively

Is it just me or after watching a show and then going to listen to music do you put the characters into the song like you hear a song and go that fits perfectly with so and so or so and so’s relationship. Cause like I’ve noticed myself doing this also.

I will also take a screen shot of the song to plan and do an edit on it but 🤷🏼‍♀️

Examples:

When you randomly go back and watch HSMTMTS and decided “Drivers License” by Olivia Rodrigo isn’t about all the drama between Olivia, Sabrina Carpenter, and Joshua Bassett but is truly about Nini, Ricky and Lily. And like Sour is just the music Nini wrote the summer where everybody was at camp in szn 3. Like I mean hear me out. My illogical conspiracy theories also include the songs being about Nini, Ricky and Gina and kind of EJ. But like rewatch the show and then listen to the album and than talk to me about it.