I Think One Of The Most Annoying Things Is How Conrad Kept Telling Everybody To Grow Up But The Thing

I think one of the most annoying things is how Conrad kept telling everybody to grow up but the thing is they were but he wasn’t. Like I get it Conrad you have anxiety and you’re mom was dying but Jere was also going through it and he was literally there watching Susannah die. And there is this whole argument how Belly ruined Jeremiah and Conrad’s brotherhood but that wasn’t just Belly, both boys did it to themselves. Like they let Belly come between them, Conrad lied to Belly saying Jere was over her when in episode seven eight it is very much confirmed that Jere never got over her. And the communication was never there. Like I get the whole idea of how Belly and Conrad are just cute but like that doesn’t mean they are a healthy couple. They literally never communicated. Like who knows if Conrad was even trying to actually break up with Belly at prom but they don’t communicate so it all just fell to shit. Meanwhile Jeremiah and Belly talk things through. Like the car ride to cousins when they got the flat tire. Great example of them talking out their feelings and problems. And Conrad as the older brother overlooked Jeremiah as well, Jere always put on a smile but Conrad never noticed how hurt and how much pain Jere was really in. But Jere always tried to put Conrad’s feelings first. And the way Conrad told Belly on the beach that Jeremiah wouldn’t care that they got together because Jeremiah doesn’t take anything seriously like that’s bs. And I can get people liking Conrad as a character (sometimes, other times he’s a complete dick) but I will never understand how anybody could support Conrad and Belly as a couple. And it’s fine if you don’t like Belly and Jeremiah (which would be insane) as a couple but like how do you say Jeremiah is toxic but not Conrad. And people are making this big deal about how Conrad remembered her favorite candy and Jeremiah forgot, but you know what Jeremiah didn’t forget, everything else, he remembered Belly’s guidance counselor suggesting Finch as a school she could go to, he puts Belly first. Multiple times Jeremiah has been willing to or has given up his own happiness for others, like telling Conrad that if Belly chooses him he wouldn’t come in the way because he just wants Belly to be happy and his brother as well, and when Belly goes to tell Jeremiah who she picked Jere immediately thinks she chose Conrad so he tells her they can still be friends.

And I know I’m just going on a rant and this doesn’t completely go with what I was saying but anybody who thought the car ride back from Brown with Belly, Jeremiah and Conrad was just cute and funny and that Conrad was just being playful, are very much blind to the toxicity and blatantly disrespectfulness of the situation.

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I love being repeatedly being called a bitch and that I should go into the fertilization business because I am defending a character. Like I haven’t even bashed any other characters but that you. Go defend how Conrad is also a toxic asshole. Neither of the boys are perfect. Also the TV show is not exactly the book. Try watching the show with an open mind and look at how they both treat Belly and each other. I believe Jeremiah wasn’t worried about Cam being with Belly because he didn’t think Cam would hurt Belly but he knew that no matter how it ended with Belly and Conrad it would hurt her.

Watching Conrad's girlies somehow try and blame Jeremiah for episode 8, when he literally told his brother to go tell Belly that he still loves her and that he wouldn't stand in his way because all he wants is for them to be happy. And somehow, it's still all his fault. Bitch please, if Conrad can't get it together, that's not on Jeremiah. If I see one more person say Jeremiah needs to be 'redeemed', I will go off.

I suppose we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I think it’s very easy for jelly to be seen as a better couple, but that’s because they don’t really care enough about each other for there to be passion or tension. They clearly lust after each other a lot, and I do believe they have a great friendship, but that’s all I see there, whereas with Conrad it’s a true deep love, maybe messy at the start but deeper nonetheless.

I think Jeres an easy rebound for belly. Which she even basically admits, when she says to Taylor that she will never be able to love anyone the way she loves Conrad, and she goes onto tell Jere that she wants Conrad but will settle for him because he’s real. As much as I dislike jere I do think he deserves better than that. And ultimately that’s what will happen in season three I suppose. My only wonder is if they will stick with the cheating storyline, or leave it trying to paint Jeremiah in a positive light and have belly and Conrad get back together in a different way.

I guess we will. I see the passion in both relationships. Both Conrad and Jeremiah truly love Belly. But I do think Conrad and Belly was just a built up what could be that it would never live up to what Belly imagined. Cause to her Conrad was a dream. And I think what Belly said to Jeremiah wasn’t that she was settling for him but that because they’ve grown up Belly realized that Conrad could never be what she wanted him to be but Jeremiah loves her and she loves him. Jeremiah is there fighting for her this season and I think Belly also really starts fighting for her relationship with Jeremiah too.

As for seeing Jelly as the better couple I actually very rarely see people saying that. Everybody typically is always like Bonrad because Belly had been in love with Conrad for so long. And I also wouldn’t call Jeremiah a rebound. There was a 2 month or so gap between the break up and the get together.

As for Belly not being able to love anybody the way she loved Conrad that honestly makes sense. A first love is always remembered and is always different. It’s a point where everything is new and great and nothing compares. But that doesn’t mean the next person you love, you love any less. It’s a different type of love. You’ll always love your first love. It’s the love of the fact that you were in love and got to feel it.

I don’t think Jere had any right to be annoyed at Conrad for kissing belly. They weren’t significant others in any definition of the term, they had only kissed a few times, which he had done with several other people that summer. Jere hadn’t been hinting at all how he felt. In fact he had many opportunities to, at the bonfire before she met cam, but some other girl called him away and he went to flirt with her instead.

Conrad didn’t break up with belly at her prom, she broke up with him. He just wanted to go home to his mum and kept saying how bad he felt for letting her down on that night, he even asked her “don’t do this” but she left him. Conrad went home to his mum as much as he could, and we saw in season one how much he took care of her. But that doesn’t mean he wasn’t allowed to spend time with belly or that he should of spent that time with his mum instead, seeing belly and being supported by her was one of the only happy things he had in his life.

I do think that Jere needed permission to kiss belly after she broke up with Conrad. Sorry but, kissing your brothers ex, two months after they broke up and one month after your mum died isn’t something I believe is okay to do. Jere also does talk badly of Conrad, he tells belly that Conrad will break her heart, he also insults Conrad to his face and says he’s not someone he would ever want to know which is horrible.

He’s constantly telling people to grow up because that’s what he’s been forced to do, so he finds it difficult that others don’t have to do the same. He’s always been told by his dad and both mums that he has to look after everyone because he’s the oldest, even though it’s only by one year. That kind of pressure is insane for an 18 year old.

Him and Nicole were never exclusive or in a relationship, he does apologise for leading her on, and accepts accountability for that. But they were never exclusive, and Nicole even says that her feelings aren’t hurt, he just wasted her time. He shuts everybody out BECAUSE he puts them first, he doesn’t want to burden them with his problems. Which is why he doesn’t tell anyone about his mums cancer. I’m not saying it’s healthy or good, but it is coming from a place of care for others over himself. He’s been told he has to take care of them all, so he shields them from his problems.

His reaction and response to them kissing I feel was justified, they were kissing on his car, and campus, when they only broke up two months ago. And were together for at least six months and slept together. If you feel that you can rationalise Jeres reaction and say it’s normal for him to be pissed, when he had only shared a couple of kisses with belly. Then surely you can see why Conrad would be upset that his brother kissed his ACTUAL ex girlfriend. Who he had a serious relationship with.

No I very much see how Conrad being pissed that Jeremiah and Belly were kissing on his car is rational. I just feel that everything he said wasn’t justified. He slut shamed Jeremiah which is not okay. And I never said I don’t like Conrad. I understand Conrad. I just think that Jeremiah is better for Belly. Also the fact that the two of them slept together should have any impact on their other relationships. It was a special moment for them but does not mean they owe each other anything.

And I do think Jere being upset at Belly and Conrad kissing is valid too. Both boys have feelings for Belly so it’s going to be upsetting no matter who it is.

Jeremiah was very subtle with how he felt but if you remember the pool scene when Jeremiah is saying that he’s been waiting for his time. He had stepped back when she went after Cam and he stood back because he knew that Belly had been crushing on Conrad for years. But he felt that it was his chance to be something more.

The prom break up I do admit was very messy and unclear. Belly felt Conrad pulling away from her and thought he was breaking up with her. And Conrad wasn’t being very clear about the situation and he was walking people out because he was going through a lot. It was a bunch of miscommunication which is what I was saying in the first place. They communicated with each other poorly.

And I wasn’t saying that Conrad shouldn’t have spent any time with Belly, they were dating and I love that he went out of his way to be with her. But Jeremiah’s frustration of having to go through it (Susannah’s death) alone while Conrad was at school is also valid. And I know Conrad loved and cared for his mom but school took a toll on that. I’m not saying that he never went to visit his mom and brother but it was definitely rough on all of them.

Yes Jere does tell Belly that Conrad is going to break her heart, and we’ll be did. He was pissed that he was losing Belly to Conrad and that his mom was dying. But he never talks bad about him to other people besides that. And yes Jeremiah says some really cruel things to Conrad this season and I’m not trying to excuse him for this but Conrad did belittle Jeremiah’s emotions. When Belly told Conrad that Jeremiah had told Belly that he had feeling for them and that they had kissed, Conrad says that Jeremiah won’t care because he doesn’t take anything seriously and flirts with everybody. But when Jeremiah was “with” Belly he was very loyal to her.

And yes while Nicole and Conrad were never really official or exclusive they were still “seeing” each other. And being led on by someone for them to text somebody else you’ve become close to that what they said earlier was a lie and he really wanted to ask her. Also after telling Nicole that he was going to ask Belly ONLY because his mom was making him.

On the aspect of him telling people to grow up though, I don’t entirely agree with you there. Conrad might of had to grow up sooner than he should have but so did Jeremiah. Jere was literally handling Susannah’s medical bills and the insurance. Which no kid should have to do. But as somebody who went through something “similar” in a way where I had to grow up before I should of had to at 9 I can’t understand fully Conrad’s behavior.

And I do agree that the parents are way too hard on him but sometimes that comes with being the oldest, which doesn’t make it okay. But Adam (the boys dad) was also never so easy on Jeremiah either. He constantly compared them to each other and made Jere feel bad that he wasn’t athletic and that he wasn’t playing football.

Conrad walling people off was not entirely him trying to protect them. I do think it was his own coping mechanism though. And I mean a lot of people do it. But I understand how the people around him felt hurt by him when he did it. He should have told his mom that he knew about the cancer, that way Susannah not Conrad had to go through all that alone. And I do think that Conrad should have told Jeremiah about it as well but I also see how it’s not his place to tell him. But again I’m not saying Conrad is doing it to be mean but that’s how a lot of people first hand may end of viewing it.

Also I never said nor will I ever say that Conrad doesn’t put other people first it’s just in a very different way and people may not know it.

All I’m saying is that Jeremiah and Belly are the better couple. All three of them have their issues and flaws that they need to work on but they also have beautiful things about them.

If I respond bitchy today it’s because they took my teeth