LOL The Gurus Are Losing It In The Tags.

LOL the gurus are losing it in the tags.

i’ve made a mistake of going into the tags and saw jalsas claiming that dany wouldn’t like jon bc he isn’t attractive. please explain to me how canonically gorgeous rhaegar and canonically gorgeous lyanna produced an ‘unattractive’ jon, that’s not how genetics work.

as much as i love to see evil twisted little freaks, there is just something way more compelling about characters who are unflinchingly Good and kind despite the horrors they've endured

Hot take: Dany’s “dragons plant no trees” is not paralleling her fathers “let him be the king of ashes,” but Jon’s “kill the boy and let the man be born.” 

The two of them have always had parallel arcs. In Dance With Dragons, they were faced with seemingly impossible leadership decisions in while dealing with a ton of resistance, whether it was Dany trying to eliminate slavery in a place where everything revolved around it or Jon trying to fix a Nights Watch that is no longer fit for purpose right before a second Long Night. They both tried compromise and it ended with chaos, and they both hit bottom at the same time (Dany in exile in the Dothraki Sea with only Drogon and Jon stabbed and most likely clinging to life by warging into Ghost.) They will almost certainly both be fiercer and willing to go to greater lengths in pursuit of what they think is right in Winds (if that ever comes out which lol.) Jon will come into his own as a wolf and Dany as a dragon.

(That isn’t to say no one parallels Aerys btw; it’s just that GRRM has beaten us over the head with the fact that it’s Cersei)

dany acting like a big sister to missandei:

sansa being a big sister to arya:

hi there! I was wondering if you could explain to me why a lot of people think that the passage you have in your sidebar (about the blue flower from ice) means Jon x Dany? When I read the passage I always assumed it was about Lyanna

Hi there!

It’s about Jon’s identity as Lyanna’s son, and how Dany interprets the introduction of that idea.

The first time we are introduced to Blue Roses, it’s through Ned’s memories of Lyanna:

Her eyes burned, green fire in the dusk, like the lioness that was her sigil. “The night of our wedding feast, the first time we shared a bed, he called me by your sister’s name. He was on top of me, in me, stinking of wine, and he whispered Lyanna.”

Ned Stark thought of pale blue roses, and for a moment he wanted to weep. “I do not know which of you I pity most.” (Eddard XII, AGOT)

“Promise me, Ned,” Lyanna’s statue whispered. She wore a garland of pale blue roses, and her eyes wept blood. (Eddard XIII, AGOT)

Robert had been jesting with Jon and old Lord Hunter as the prince circled the field after unhorsing Ser Barristan in the final tilt to claim the champion’s crown. Ned remembered the moment when all the smiles died, when Prince Rhaegar Targaryen urged his horse past his own wife, the Dornish princess Elia Martell, to lay the queen of beauty’s laurel in Lyanna’s lap. He could see it still: a crown of winter roses, blue as frost. (Eddard XV, AGOT)

It’s clearly laying a trail here–that we are supposed to associate Lyanna with these blue roses.  But, more specifically, we are supposed to associate Ned’s guilt with Lyanna’s blue roses.  They are, to Ned, a symbol of her love, her death, and the promise he made to protect her son and lie about his identity for years.  The roses are a symbol that Jon is Lyanna’s son.

This gets compounded in A Clash of Kings when Ygritte tells Jon (Jon!) the story of Bael the Bard:

“North or south, singers always find a ready welcome, so Bael ate at Lord Stark’s own table, and played for the lord in his high seat until half the night was gone. The old songs he played, and new ones he’d made himself, and he played and sang so well that when he was done, the lord offered to let him name his own reward. ‘All I ask is a flower,’ Bael answered, ‘the fairest flower that blooms in the gardens o’ Winterfell.’”

“Now as it happened the winter roses had only then come into bloom, and no flower is so rare nor precious. So the Stark sent to his glass gardens and commanded that the most beautiful o’ the winter roses be plucked for the singer’s payment. And so it was done. But when morning come, the singer had vanished…and so had Lord Brandon’s maiden daughter. Her bed they found empty, but for the pale blue rose that Bael had left on the pillow where her head had lain.”…“Lord Brandon had no other children. At his behest, the black crows flew forth from their castles in the hundreds, but nowhere could they find any sign o’ Bael or this maid. For most a year they searched, till the lord lost heart and took to his bed, and it seemed as though the line o’ Starks was at its end. But one night as he lay waiting to die, Lord Brandon heard a child’s cry. He followed the sound and found his daughter back in her bedchamber, asleep with a babe at her breast.“ 

“Bael had brought her back?”

“No. They had been in Winterfell all the time, hiding with the dead beneath the castle. The maid loved Bael so dearly she bore him a son, the song says… though if truth be told, all the maids love Bael in them songs he wrote. Be that as it may, what’s certain is that Bael left the child in payment for the rose he’d plucked unasked, and that the boy grew to be the next Lord Stark. So there it is—you have Bael’s blood in you, same as me.”(Jon VI, ACOK)

So you have this story about a secret stark baby who is also strongly associated with blue winter roses.  This story, told to Jon, is undoubtedly allegorical about Jon himself, for what matters is that this little bastard Stark (for as far as we’re aware, the young lady Stark and Bael didn’t marry) became Lord of Winterfell after he was kept secret and his mother had been “abducted.”  In this case, that blue winter rose is symbolic of the exchange of the mother for the son, the maiden for the next Lord Stark.

So we have this blue flower symbol that’s staggeringly heavily laden with weight about how Jon’s Lyanna’s son, and then we have Dany, in the house of the undying:

A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness…

There’s a lot of symbolism in that chapter, and what everything means is something that’s still very up in the air.  But given 1) the blue flower symbolism for Jon’s identity as Lyanna’s son and 2) the wall of ice (ie, the Wall where he became Lord Commander), it’s fair to assume that it means him, and that that subsequent “filled the air with sweetness” is Dany’s own interpretation of what that flower physically leads her to feel.  It’s wistful, it’s longing, it’s loving, and it means Jon.

the discourse for today is "dany stans" are making up that daenerys is magical

when literally

daenerys is azor ahai. ( When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone. The bleeding star has come and gone, and Dragonstone is the place of smoke and salt. ) daenerys hatches dragons for the first time in centuries & this rebirth is quickly followed shierak qiya, the red comet.

george said it himself: "The whole point of the scene in A Game of Thrones where Daenerys hatches the dragons is that she makes the magic up as she goes along; she is someone who really might do anything."

she spends the first novel having dragon dreams that result in the resurrection of dragons

the warlocks in the house of the undying want to cannibalize her & her magic to become stronger themselves

this entire passage btw:

"Half a year gone, that man could scarcely wake fire from dragonglass. He had some small skill with powders and wildfire, sufficient to entrance a crowd while his cutpurses did their work. He could walk across hot coals and make burning roses bloom in the air, but he could no more aspire to climb the fiery ladder than a common fisherman could hope to catch a kraken in his nets." Dany looked uneasily at where the ladder had stood. Even the smoke was gone now, and the crowd was breaking up, each man going about his business. In a moment more than a few would find their purses flat and empty. "And now?" "And now his powers grow, Khaleesi. And you are the cause of it." "Me?" She laughed. "How could that be?" The woman stepped closer and lay two fingers on Dany's wrist. "You are the Mother of Dragons, are you not?" (ACOK, Daenerys III)

ALSO claiming daenerys is male gaze is so whack when you know damn well she's a genre breaking character