Had To Answer To That Anon Saying Jonerys Should Have Met Before. I've Always Thought What Makes Jonerys

Had to answer to that Anon saying Jonerys should have met before. I've always thought what makes Jonerys the greatest couple of all times compared to other narratives is SPECIFICALLY that we, the readers/audience met them way before they did. Usually the story starts with the two heroes meeting /falling in love, here instead we witnessed the 2 heroes' journeys up to their culmination and THEN is when they meet and fall in love (& save the world together)This makes it a unique love story.

This is a great point and I totally agree! 

Daenerys and Jon, their parallels, and their journeys as leaders and rulers

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There are many metas detailing the parallels between Jon and Dany. But I don’t think I’ve seen many that focus on their actions as leaders and rulers. And often, I read things like “Jon and Dany complement each other because Dany is a conqueror and Jon is an administrator/ruler”, or things like “Jon is a rebuilder and Dany is a destroyer”, and I feel like these are not good assessments of Jon and Dany. So I wanted to write my own Jon/Dany parallel meta, showing both their general parallels, and how similar I think these two are as rulers, and where I think they differ.

In this meta, I won’t talk about the foreshadowing for Jon and Dany’s romantic relationship, only about their parallels. Even then, this is still a very long meta, but I think it’s worth it, because Jon and Dany have tons of parallels (to me, it’s almost as if they were the same character having the same story in different locations), and I think their parallels are fascinating.

These are the topics of this meta:

General Parallels

Jon and Dany becoming leaders

Jon and Dany as rulers

Jon and Dany are both conquerors

Compromises and Identity Crisis

Conclusion

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Your usage of the Melisandre's words just blow my mind!

anon bear with me for a moment bc i’ve been dying to talk about this. so here’s the full exchange between jon and melisandre in a dance with dragons:

“Ghost,” he called. “To me.” The direwolf looked at him as if he were a stranger. Jon frowned in disbelief. “That’s … queer.”“You think so?” She knelt and scratched Ghost behind his ear. “Your Wall is a queer place, but there is power here, if you will use it. Power in you, and in this beast. You resist it, and that is your mistake. Embrace it. Use it.”I am not a wolf, he thought. “And how would I do that?”“I can show you.” Melisandre draped one slender arm over Ghost, and the direwolf licked her face. “The Lord of Light in his wisdom made us male and female, two parts of a greater whole. In our joining there is power. Power to make life. Power to make light. Power to cast shadows.”

among many other parallels and contrasts, this is probably the one i like the most. because melisandre is talking with jon about him and his direwolf but i immediately thought of daenerys and her dragons. daenerys spends most of the fifth book “denying” her dragons and her true self so she can be a queen and a mother to her people. and here we have melisandre telling jon that he should embrace his powers and ghost’s powers as well. and then she goes and talks about the power that a female and a male together can have. i mean, george isn’t talking about melisandre and jon here lol he is calling out for jon and dany’s struggle and then telling us that in their union there’s power to cast shadows and make light. i mean…………

Thinking about this illustration by Marc Fishman from the cover of the limited-edition release of A Dance with Dragons, featuring Jon with Daenerys watching over him in the sky and I will never get tired of this particular imagery associated with them:

“A trader from Qarth once told me that dragons came from the moon,” blond Doreah said as she warmed a towel over the fire.

[…]

Silvery-wet hair tumbled across her eyes as Dany turned her head, curious. “The moon?”

“He told me the moon was an egg, Khaleesi,” the Lysene girl said. “Once there were two moons in the sky, but one wandered too close to the sun and cracked from the heat. A thousand thousand dragons poured forth, and drank the fire of the sun. That is why dragons breathe flame. One day the other moon will kiss the sun too, and then it will crack and the dragons will return.” — Daenerys III, AGOT.

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She dreamed. All her cares fell away from her, and all her pains as well, and she seemed to float upward into the sky. She was flying once again, spinning, laughing, dancing, as the stars wheeled around her and whispered secrets in her ear. — Daenerys X, ADWD.

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I loved a maid as fair as summer with sunlight in her hair.

I loved a maid as red as autumn with sunset in her hair.

I loved a maid as white as winter with moonglow in her hair.

Guys! Guys, she is the MOON!

The white wolf raced through a black wood, beneath a pale cliff as tall as the sky. The moon ran with him, slipping through a tangle of bare branches overhead, across the starry sky.

“Snow,” the moon murmured.

[…]

“Snow,” the moon called down again, cackling. — Jon I, ADWD.

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You should look behind you, Lord Snow. The moon has kissed you and etched your shadow upon the ice twenty feet tall. — Jon VI, ADWD.

And he is the WOLF! He is the white wolf and she is the moon in the sky and the moon is WATCHING over him, CALLING for him, KISSING him!

Say whatever you want about GRRM but don’t ever say he is not a romantic at heart and a sucker for beautiful symbolism.

Jon, Daenerys, & Wife Stealing.

And when the Thief was in the Moonmaid, that was a propitious time for a man to steal a woman, Ygritte insisted. "Like the night you stole me. The Thief was bright that night."

"I never meant to steal you," he said. "I never knew you were a girl until my knife was at your throat."

"If you kill a man, and never mean t', he's just as dead," Ygritte said stubbornly. 

A Storm of Swords, Jon III

If he loved you, he would come and carry you off at swordpoint, as Rhaegar carried off his northern girl, the girl in her insisted, but the queen knew that was folly. Even if her captain was mad enough to attempt it, the Brazen Beasts would cut him down before he got within a hundred yards of her.

A Dance With Dragons, Daenerys VII

Amongst the free folk, when a man desires a woman, he steals her, and thus proves his strength, his cunning, and his courage. The suitor risks a savage beating if he is caught  by the woman's kin, and worse than that if she herself finds him unworthy.

A Dance With Dragons, Jon XIII

I'm quite convinced that if when Jon & Daenerys finally meet in the upcoming books, there's gonna be some symbolic wife-stealing going on. Ever since Jon accidentally stole Ygritte, wife-stealing as proof of a man's love & ability to provide has been a reoccurring theme in his narrative with the Free Folk. And here we have Daenerys, halfway across the world with no exposure to the custom, wishing that Daario, a man whom she is very much in love with, would steal her away at swordpoint as proof of his love for her. She even compares the daydream to what she believes happened between Rhaegar & Lyanna, where her much-idolized older brother "carried off his northern girl." The thought of a man she desires carrying her off in the night clearly seems quite romantic to her.

I think Jon will somehow "carry off" Daenerys, symbolically making them man & wife. and unlike when he first took Ygritte, this wife-stealing won't be an accident. Maybe he'll even do it when the Thief is in the Moonmaid. (note: throughout the books Daenerys is associated with the moon & lunar imagery a lot.)

But I think the irony of the situation will come in here:

"He's of my village. You know nothing, Jon Snow. A true man steals a woman from afar, t' strengthen the clan. Women who bed brothers or fathers or clan kin offend the gods, and are cursed with weak and sickly children. Even monsters."

A Storm of Swords, Jon III

When Jon steals/falls in love with/marries/allies with Daenerys, he'll be under the impression that he's "strengthening the clan" (aka his family & the North itself) by partnering a woman who he believes to be as far from being kin as one could possibly get. Only to find out, lo and behold, they've secretly been aunt & nephew this whole time! oops : /

Hi, I’ve been reading your Dany and Jon asks and I am really curious why you think the political!jon/ucl theory goes against the themes of the books? Thanks!

“It was the cold,” Gared said with iron certainty. “I saw men freeze last winter, and the one before, when I was half a boy. Everyone talks about snows forty foot deep, and how the ice wind comes howling out of the north, but the real enemy is the cold.”

- Prologue, AGoT

The prologue’s there to frame the conflict of the entire series, and it’s outright stated that the cold is the enemy. (And at the end of the book, Dany proclaims that the fire is hers. Bookends.) The ultimate antagonist in this series is an inhuman, anti-human force against which all humanity should unite. 

The idea that people should work together to face threats greater than themselves recurs across the series. Whether it’s Ned telling Arya that she and Sansa will need each other, Catelyn imploring the Baratheon brothers to work together, or Jon and Stannis making common cause at the Wall itself, the idea’s there. The White Walkers are a problem bigger than anyone, and people should work together. The idea that at the business end of the series one of the protagonists will callously manipulate another protagonist into helping sort out the final showdown is just bizarre to me. Especially when the other option is one protagonist convincing another protagonist to lend a hand and a few dragons, nothing but good faith between them. Even the show has started to bear in this direction from time to time.

I think this theory is also pretty OOC for even the show versions of Jon and Dany. The show’s got its issues with showing us one thing and telling us another, but that theory pretty well denies that Dany could ever want to save the world because the world’s worth saving, and ignores Jon’s distress over deceiving Ygritte.

Given the options between “offscreen, Jon decided to give up on a good faith alliance with Daenerys and instead seduce her into offering her assistance,” and “the Jon/Dany romance writing did not come off altogether as convincing as intended,” I know which I find more plausible.