
"Fire is love, fire is passion, fire is sexual ardor, and all of these things." ~ GRRM "If the sky could dream, it would dream of dragons." - Ilona Andrews □icon by perlamarina •header by Melanie Delon
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Common Fandom Complaint That Youre Tired Of Hearing? It Can Be More Than One
Common fandom complaint that you’re tired of hearing? It can be more than one
I'm tired of hearing about Sansa being the most unfairly hated character, especially when it comes with no acknowledgment of how horrible her stans act or the hate they give other female characters. It's just a demonstrably incorrect claim. Every other character is allowed to be disliked but we're all just expected to put Sansa on a pedestal cause she represents "true womanhood" or whatever the nonsense argument of the week is. Arya and Dany are two of the most casually hated and rewritten characters in the fandom and it barely gets talked about cause "feminism" in this fandom is only about female characters "pure" enough to deserve it. I just think it's gross to try and quantify how worthy a female character is of being defended from misogyny. At that point it's not even about defending Sansa from unfair hate, it's being upset that she isn't getting special treatment.
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I think people who say Emilia Clarke was a bad actor because she was “too stoic” are idiots. And most of them are misogynistic peasants as well. If you watch the first seasons, the whole thing about Dany was how open and emotional she was - and Emilia played this beautifully. When she took Astapor she went from Stoic to angry to compassionate and vulnerable all in a matter of minutes. I could feel the hurt and compassion she felt for the Unsullied when she told them they were free and could leave if they liked. She becomes more stoic later on because she becomes a queen. And not just a queen, but a conqueror ruling queen within a tumultuous state. She can’t wear her heart on her sleeve as she once did. But this doesn’t mean she’s always stoic, there are many scenes where she’s very vulnerable and emotive. It’s hilarious cuz the ppl who say she’s too stoic were the same ones saying she was too emotional. And most of them have the nerve to stan Stannis! And to say Emilia’s one of the worst actors on the show is absolute bullshit. ALL of the actors on that show were phenomenal. And Lena and Emilia carried the last seasons on their fucking backs. ESPECIALLY the final one.


A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE
George R.R. Martin to Al Jazeera: the two outlying ones, the things that are going on north of the Wall and Daenerys Targaryen on the other continent with her dragons are of course the Ice and Fire of the title A Song of Ice and Fire.
George R. R. Martin to Adria's News: I mean… Fire is love, fire is passion, fire is sexual ardor and all of these things. Ice is betrayal, ice is revenge, ice is… you know, that kind of cold inhumanity and all that stuff is being played out in the books.
"No one ever looked for a girl. [...] The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it." (AFFC, Samwell IV)
"She [Daenerys] is Azor Ahai returned [aka the Warrior of Light, the Son of Fire, the one who shall "wake dragons out of stone"] … and her triumph over darkness will bring a summer that will never end … death itself will bend its knee, and all those who die fighting in her cause shall be reborn …" (ADWD, Tyrion VI)






SIMILARITIES BETWEEN BOOK!DAENERYS’ AND SHOW!RHAENYRA’S VIEWS ON QUEENSHIP
(none of the Dany quotes above were included on Game of Thrones)
Marc Simonetti: On the ADWD cover for Brazil, I put Daenerys at the top of the stairs of the Meereenese pyramid. I had undoubtedly been, unconsciously, influenced by the series. And George [R. R. Martin] told me that Daenerys wants equality for everyone, she wants to be at the same level as her people, so I had her climb down to keep it consistent.
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GRRM: By Season 5 and 6, and certainly 7 and 8, I was pretty much out of the loop.
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GRRM: So I think what you’re going to find is, when “Winds of Winter” and then, hopefully, “Dream of Spring” come out, that my ending will be very different.
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GRRM: As I write these last two books, I’ll be moving towards the endings that I’ve known since 1991. | GRRM in the 1993 outline: Five central characters will make it through all three volumes. […] The five key players are Tyrion Lannister, Daenerys Targaryen, and three of the children of Winterfell, Arya, Bran, and the bastard Jon Snow. | GRRM: Not all of the characters who survived until the end of GAME OF THRONES will survive until the end of A SONG OF ICE & FIRE, and not all of the characters who died on GAME OF THRONES will die in A SONG OF ICE & FIRE.
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GRRM: Well of course the two outlying ones, the things that are going on north of the Wall and Daenerys Targaryen on the other continent with her dragons are of course the Ice and Fire of the title, the Song of Ice and Fire. | HOTD (Aegon’s prophecy reveal came from GRRM): And if the world of men is to survive, a Targaryen must be seated on the Iron Throne. A king or queen strong enough to unite the realm against the cold and the dark. Aegon called his dream ‘The Song of Ice and Fire’. | GRRM: Fire is love, fire is passion, fire is sexual ardor and all of these things. Ice is betrayal, ice is revenge, ice is… you know, that kind of cold inhumanity and all that stuff is being played out in the books.

I have literally never heard any Arya stan say they liked her because she's an NLOG character.
The only people who ever say that mess grossly misunderstand her character and boil her down to "oh she's a badass assassin." Which, as you can tell by now, are not Arya stans.
Stop this shit.
Two of the many reasons I hate House of the Dragon:
-- They're doubling down on GOT's vitriol that "the best ruler is the one that doesn't want to rule" that they used to vilify Dany in the end.
-- They made Alicent and Rhaenyra into these peace-loving characters, and gave many of Dany's peace-loving qualities to them. Which led to a bunch of show-watchers (and plenty of book readers that don't know the books well) to believe that Rhaenyra and Alicent are better queens/more peaceful/more reasonable than Dany. These fans end up loving Rhaenyra and Alicent while hating Dany, even though the reasons they love show!Rhaenyra and show!Alicent are precisely the qualities that the showrunners stole from book!Dany and gave to them.