Main Character Camp Jupiter Fatal Flaws Hc/General Thoughts!

Main character Camp Jupiter Fatal Flaws Hc/General thoughts!

!!kind of Spoilers for ToA!!

Idk how long this will take to write; but this is my wild speculation on a lot of the Camp Jupiter characters (from HoO, haven’t read ToA yet) fatal flaws! This is all my opinion (that has been shaped by my personal interpretation and totally is all just my speculation and my interpretation not based on how uncle Rick has shown us how fatal flaws -especially in the earlier series- chooses to pick fatal flaws) I’ll do a part 2 for other Camp Jupiter character when I’m not tired because right now I’m struggling through writing Hazel’s part and I’m tired because I go to sleep at like 8:30 pm like a grandma on most days,

Reyna Avila Ramírez-Arellano,

I’ll be honest, I don’t have very strong opinions on Reyna; I read her in BoO and she’s interesting (though much of what I remember from her chapters were just the insane moment when Hylla chucked a car at Orion)

She just doesn’t stand out to me. In the nicest way possible, I don’t care much about her; I like the whole Venus thing, and that she ends up joining the huntresses (at the beginning when I heard it I didn’t like it too much, possibly a mixture of my own dislike for this interpretation of Artemis; while I was reading tTC I don’t know why but Artemis just annoyed me a bit, along with Zoë, though I don’t fully know why I didn’t like the huntresses to begin with, I just found them a little annoying- ig? Maybe they brought up childhood embarrassment from kindergarten long story but now I’ve grown to… tolerate their Riordan interpretation; maybe this will change by the time I read ToA. Maybe it’s just a mixture of characters I find mildly annoying- I honestly don’t like canon Thalia that much either, she’s okay, but just isn’t my taste. If anyone wants to know characters I like more that give me similar vibes are Hylla, Clarisse, Annabeth, etc.)

Okay this is supposed to be about Reyna-

I just don’t think about her very much.

But her fatal flaw-

Hubris? Guilt? Could be either of those, and my argument for either will of course be very opinion-based and not very well explained or evidence backed up; as that’s not what this page does and when I would ever put evidence and an actual argument in here is if it was about why Michael Varus totally idolized ancient Heroes (this is my hc, and is meant as a comedic example. I have no idea why that needed to be clarified, but I already typed it-)

But Hubris; whenever I think of Reyna’s choices specifically, I think of the lack of opinions she gets on doing it, or when she gets those opinions- the general disregard for those opinions if they give genuine concern and it’s not fitting in with what’s she’s decided to do,

Now this may just be because she’s in a leadership role and we are meant to see her as determined and choosing what she believes is best for the legion (Which in HoO is what I really can see objectively)

I also just see her as a little stubborn; may just be my read on it.

Guilt; the second option I think of when thinking of her fatal flaw; because we don’t exactly know if heroes in PJO are just given the fatal flaw along with their destiny at birth and then left to deal with it, or if they’re developed- from what we know I’ll operate with the assumption that Demigods develop their fatal flaws some time during childhood-

So I think when we hear about Reyna having this overwhelming guilt of committing Patricide on her father; I could see a lot of her worst flaw being that guilt; making her unsure and trepidatious (is that the right word? Hopefully) about making choices, second-guessing all of her decisions to think if she’s doing the right thing, stuff like that. Much more head-cannoney, but I like it; maybe it’s just angsty and after reading the chariot race in the Iliad after Patroclus’s death I need some actual recovery from the whiplash I experienced.

Overall; Reyna, don’t love her, don’t hate her. Love her dogs though, would let Aurum and Argentum eat me <3

Jason Grace

I’m talking about my boy!! Or, my other boy :]

He might be my 3rd favorite pjo character, though I’m not sure if that’s just because I need to somewhat redeem myself by not having 3 villains in a row be my favorites (if anyone would know, Caligula, Commodus, Lityerses, Clarisse, or Beckendorf could also easily steal 3rd place. But Luke and Octavian still sit ever revolving around 1st and 2nd place)

His chapters may be the hardest things to read through; only possibly beaten by the Iliad’s battle scene number 2748 where we talk about the 3rd dude whose head is bashed in with a rock, and listing of every Achaean. I still think he’s fun

Easily one of my favorites out of the seven (Frank, Hazel, Percy, and Annabeth all make it to my ‘I have a very positive opinion of them’. Love Leo and Piper; but Piper’s chapters were more of a slog to get through and I feel very neutral to negative about her, and Leo is fun but I don’t care about him too much- sorry guys, but Frank is cooler B])

Albino Afro-Latino Jason is my headcanon and I stand on my hill to die on it

He has sharp wolf teeth because I said so too-

Chews on things

Burnt out special kid for my heart-

I feel like his fatal flaw (which I mind everyone cannonically is ‘temptation to deliberate’ or as the wiki describes it because I don’t feel my interpretation as ‘indecisive and not wanting to make a choice that stands with one particular group,)

But my headcanon is his fatal flaw being Loyalty^^

This man drops everything for Piper; gives up his life in Camp Jupiter (which to be fair; he didn’t remember very well)

Takes the way worse choice of having to stay in the creepy Zeus cabin to be with her

And from what I heard he continues this record in ToA!

Even more traits of extreme to detrimental loyalty than Percy tbh-

So I think his thing is loyalty. The first few chapters of BoO is Jason coming to another near-death experience by the hands of a Roman and the ravaged soul of his mother while he outright rejects his Roman life for the Greeks- I think, BoO feels a little like a feverdream in my head so I don’t remember all of the specifics or my thoughts about it at the time I read it.

But I love this silly little skrunkle wolf kid. He also had piercings, and in my heart he didn’t die- what are you talking about?

Overall; love him, don’t know how much I like him in proportion to every other character I also like (Disco Darrin forever guys😎)

Frank Zhang

You guys see that I’m trying to get the Mc’s out of the way to then get to the things I like (talking about random side characters)

But Frank; he is so cute, I love him, he gets a nice hug.

Uhhhh, I don’t have much things about him

He tried playing hockey. That’s my goopy half-formed idea, I’ll probably have more of a story to that once I like actually can get one finger out of the side character train of thought to actually give Main characters some attention

I didn’t think of his fatal flaw going into this so this is my first draft of what I think Frank’s Fatal Flaw is,

The canon is low self-esteem, which may I say, after MoA is just like- dropped in HoO; I don’t remember many times where he was unsure of himself and that directly caused a detriment to the group (might be wrong because I finished SoN in a day and did that on like June 2nd this year so I’m rusty guys-)

But I feel bold, so I’m gonna say- not wrath, but some form of anger-related Fatal flaw,

Now; in SoN, self-esteem probably fits. But through MoA and beyond I remember notable moments in my brain of Frank and a very quick potent release of anger, or things related to anger and that emotional profile (is that right? Or uh, what I mean is like Anger being the umbrella term for all of the subcategories that we use to describe types of anger)

So I think that being Frank’s fatal flaw; having to go in a back and forth between not letting his anger bubble up and thinking that’s bad and watching as it comes up in fiery bursts feels fitting. Though I’m a little tired so it’s not my finest explanation

Hazel Levesque

I don’t have much ideas or opinions on the fandoms horse girl

I like her though, she’s rad

But uh

No thoughts on her

Hazel’s fatal flaw cannonically is her past. Which I kind of get; but Fatal flaws like originally were at least meant to be like actual flaws in the Og myths if I remember (Odysseus had Hubris; also his lying thing which was probably an offshoot of Hubris, but I just find that so funny for no reason-)

Hazel; honestly I don’t feel like I know her well enough to say for sure a fatal flaw for her based on her actions.

I would say impulsivity or recklessness but something in my brain is saying that might not be fully correct and I’m sure there’s plenty of options where she is not shown as reckless or impulsive

It is something that is to do with both her Gaea uprising #1 block, and saving her mother from the fields of punishment.

I’ll get back to you guys on a separate post

I’m tired so goodnight everyone^^ I’ll get back to my musings tomorrow, or another date

Goodnight!!

I think I’m making a mistake,

I need to use my Rp skills for something and get better at writing while presenting my ideas so..,

@camp-jupiter-introduction

Feel free to ask me about the Camp Jupiter and New Rome things- all of this is non-canon, and the time frame is implied to be pre-camp swap but after the titan war.

(Oh Gods I’ll post the roleplay blog but not my Character Ai account- what have I come to)

Also yeah- I’ll get that Dakota and Dionysus twins post out but for now, here’s some art of Mercury (my oc) and Sam ( @spheroz oc!)

Aaaaa art B]

On the left (I think) is a character named Calliope that I’m working on, that’s just some concept art for her. And then silly goofy guys on the right; first time drawing Mr. D in awhile :]

Guys I’m making bad choices but I’m making a big collage of some Camp Jupiter characters that would be in positions of power with each other + Bryce Lawrence because for some reason he is a side character that has entrapped me, this is the layout idea

*Im going to tackle Octavian and Michael first after trying to do Jason and Reyna because the very sparse anatomy needs to be worked out for posing and I need to go sob in a hole- updated note 😎

Calliope Pt. 2!

Okay- okay, I have more things to say about my Oc, that I couldn’t get to because of word limit- I’ll try to format this and make it easier to read, not like the actual rambling I did in the first but okay- yeah (no one wants this)

Powers

I mentioned Calliope’s powers in relation to her story and them being thematic (idk if that’s the right word but they play a role in showing her arc) though I might change her Godly Parent to a strictly Greek God for her Character- Character (sadly I’d probably have to change her purple-on-purple) but yes, her powers

In the beginning of the story she is meant to show most of her Janus abilities; I put these down as

Being able to spot lies

Knowing the layouts of tunnels, what lies behind doors, etc. (kind of like how Hazel internally knows underground areas, but only for tunnels or archways)

And I like to think some enhanced senses from the whole two-head thing- it’s bad but it helps when she can also sit there and go ‘guys monsters :[‘ but probably not as well as satyrs, she can tell you if a monster is in a 10ft radius, and it usual isn’t spotted unless she’s already suspicious (can you tell I made this up on the spot? Well I did)

And these are the powers she shows before (In me and my friends Au where we shove our characters into the prophecy of seven- now nine. I’ll probably talk about our Nine AU when I have Sphereoz over, and go look at their page!! They post art) but it’s to show her being fully rooted in Rome, her Roman position.

And slowly over time the more and more Calliope is learning the fact that she is a Greek demigod, she learns more of her powers; and they slowly get more used and stronger while she is becoming more Greek; or something along the lines of trying to fill out being a Greek demigod, even if it feels uncomfortable and unnatural.

Unlike Jason; where his arc is him coming to terms with Greek and Roman and choosing Greek where he feels more at home (and where in Blood of Olympus is kind of feels like he rejects his Rome, saying it’s not his home anymore, ambrosia/nectar changing, probably not meant to be interpreted that way as he is still pontifex Maximus; despite feeling like he doesn’t want to Roman very much)

But Calliope’s arc would be more of finding her balance (haha smooth Janus tie-in) but her finding that she can accept her Greek aspect, and maybe not embrace it right away; but slowly learn to get more comfortable with it. She doesn’t reject New Rome or her Roman heritage just because she was told that she was a Greek demigod. She has to find her own middle and struggle of learning there was a complete side of her that she never knew existed. And it serves as a good way to keep her somewhat in her own bubble of being unable to know which side she was on; and not having the luxury of being chosen for a role that allows her to work with both aspects.

Her dubious actions

The title is the best way I can describe some of the things she does. She is meant to be someone with no real set personality and that adds to her struggle; similar to how they describe Hylla developing this chameleon personality to make her fit into a role. Calliope does that, she has her set of people she talks to; is different with a lot of them, and then her own things

Calliope is a Jealous person; maybe not by nature, but she ends up being quite envious. And she is meant to feel bad and not understand her own jealousy

She actively works to tear down Jason’s praetorship with the mutiny because she’s jealous he was chosen for the role; despite him being one of her closest friends and Calliope admiring him

Calliope turns to secretly be in contact with Gaea because Gaea fills a maternal hole Calliope doesn’t get fixed until Sally. And she ends up harming the Argo II’s mission with being caught up between helping Gaea discreetly and being manipulated by her, while trying to help her friends (maybe this is similar to Meg; I’ve only read the first couple chapters of Hidden Oracle because I took the break to read the Iliad, Odyssey, and Aeneid)

Other minor things that relate to her having these traits include her talking about people very negatively; when previously or right after talking with the person and being very friendly and positive with them and interacting with them. Trying to downplay certain peoples actions, etc

And Calliope’s thing is that she almost does it unintentionally at times; she genuinely likes being friends with people like Jason, the seven, Octavian, etc. Sorry if that doesn’t make much sense or if this is just bad characterization.

Her fatal flaw is being two-faced. It is her struggle to share true opinions and feelings over something because she thinks it will result in the person she is speaking with not liking her, or trying to get them to artificially enjoy her compainionship.

Okay! That’s all I really am thinking about to explain

I’ll hyperlink part one to here (once I figure out how to do that)

Part 1

Brief update-

I was working on the C.J characters fatal flaw (and maybe general hc?) sheet, but I kinda want to work on more of just HoO and Camp Jupiter re-imagined (or Au? I don’t know at this point) because I really want to work on the ranking system and etc, because I think shoving my (probably subpar research) on the legion system and ranks within said system through the time of the Roman legions; shoving it all into a blender and finding what works for my Camp Jupiter and telling the world about it!

Also I just really want to learn more about Rome and putting my independent learning into a project like this is a good way to show myself my own comprehension of the system- and I’ll probably start trying to work with the Cohorts too,

Because currently my interpretation is acting like just- mini Roman army where the modern Romans are so stubborn that they won’t say it’s not just the one legion- though I probably won’t (no promises) I feel at this point I might be changing Camp Jupiter/New Rome, almost too much- hence why I feel it’s fully a Re-Imagining of the Concept of Romans and Roman demigods inside of the established world of PJO; and I want to take my stab at it; so uh, aside from that very long tangent

I might just take a step back and plan more of the basic, core concept that I want for Re-Imagining of Camp Jupiter and New Rome

But uh, I’ll get back to everyone on what I do end up doing :]

I have no idea if like; people can comment? But uh, hey if anyone has any ideas or anything that they want to take the time to write down and say. I have begun this project from my own interest of something that, from what I’ve read at least and how my brains chosen to characterize it; feels like it could be improved- and I usually take ideas from the community of things they mention along with Camp Jupiter/ New Rome, to form more ideas off of it.

And just because I want to mention it as what I thought of when hearing of the Gladiator war game type

The coliseum is inside of New Rome (as shown in the Camp Jupiter Confidential: Probatios journal map) so I like to think that the legion both uses it for the war games and valuable practice and as entertainment for New Romans and a way to show ‘how cool the legion is!’ To younger New Rome residents that (already will go to Camp) but a way to have little kids excited to go serve their duty in a sort-of brainwashing way- but New Rome/ Camp Jupiter already has a bunch of Brainwashing type things

This probably is generally accepted, and not a new idea but I just wanted to share it while it was in my head :]