Hello! I Saw Your Post And I Guess I Just Thought It Was Cool That You Wanted To Talk With Others, Even

Hello! I saw your post and I guess I just thought it was cool that you wanted to talk with others, even if you disagreed with them! :] So, I guess I should start off by saying I'm someone in an endogenic system, but I won't try to convice you that we experience what we do. Just wanted to ask out of curiosity, if anything!

Do you think that those who claim to be endogenic systems are actually DID/OSDD systems in denial? Or that they are just making it all up? Or something else?

What were/are some things that endogenic systems mention experiencing that you can't relate with at all?

What kind of evidence would you need to entertain the possibility of systems forming without trauma? I mean like MRI stuff, DSM acknowledging them, other?

Do you like coffee or tea? We personally like tea with honey and mint though coffee puts us to sleep, lol.

Feel free to answer any questions that you're comfortable with answering! Hope you have a good evening! :]

hey y'all! this is my dedicated syscourse blog, because I felt like syscourse was taking up too much space on my main.

i am the host of a traumagenic system of 6. our collective name is the Storm System, but the one running this blog is Ray. our alters range in terms of opinions, but we all lean towards anti endo (some, like me, more so than others).

I'm the most opinionated on syscourse and the most common fronter, so I'll probably be the main one posting. I wouldn't be surprised if Grey hopped in sometimes, though, too.

endos and antis alike are welcome to share opinions or debate me. I can't promise I'll agree/not argue, but the reason I bother with syscourse is to learn about other experiences and perspectives, so I will listen and try to understand if nothing else.

I have a tendency to be very strongly opinionated (sometimes to a fault), so if I seriously cross a boundary or am being unnecessarily rude, please do let me know. that being said, though, there is a difference between being actively cruel and expressing a controversial opinion, so while I will do my best to be respectful, I won't soften my opinions for that sake.

tl;dr: discussion/debate welcome, just don't be a total dick and I'll try my best to do the same :P

I often see people saying things like "DID fakers have made it impossible to get professionally diagnosed with DID" or "endogenic systems have made it harder for DID systems to be believed by mental health professionals" and while I understand how frustrating it is to not be believed (especially if you are seeking accomodations or a therapist willing to work with DID patients) this blame is entirely misplaced.

Endogenic plurals and "DID fakers" are not the issue. What truly needs to be asked is:

How can people receive appropriate mental health care when care providers go into their work with a biased view on who can and cannot have certain mental disorders? What does it mean for the psychiatric field as a whole that care providers are far more interested in diagnostic labels and "spotting fakers" than in withholding their own bias and working with their clients' lived experiences to help them regardless?

How did we get to a place where diagnostic labels are treated as more important than individual experience? Why is so much emphasis placed on diagnosis in mental health care to the point it is more important than the clients themselves?

As far as accomodations, why is a diagnostic label even required to get basic disability accomodations in the first place? Why are accomodations not free for everyone from the start? Why do you have to jump through all these hurdles just to prove you're disabled and need accomodations?

If health care professionals are refusing to treat clients with histories of severe trauma based on the narrative that "DID is becoming a trend", what does that say about the field's fixation on diagnosis and clinical symptomology over helping survivors of trauma regardless of what language they use or how they see themselves?

If endogenic plurals and "DID fakers" have truly changed how medical professionals view DID and have severely impacted their ability to treat people with DID or "take them seriously", is it not reasonable to assume there were already major issues in the way disorders are approached in mental health care and in clinical awareness (or unawareness) of DID that are way bigger than whatever this is?

And why the fuck are we blaming all these big systemic issues on endogenic plurals and "fakers" when it's clear that these issues and ableism have existed in the field of mental health care and psychiatry for a very long time, and exists across all disorders and areas of mental health care, not just DID?

And lastly, if someone needs mental health care, surely they should be able to access it without issue, regardless of whether they are endogenic, have a non-typical presentation of DID, or are truly faking? Surely there are real issues there which need care and appropriate treatment like any other client, regardless of what the diagnostic label is or isn't? Why is anyone being denied mental health care based on diagnostic controversy?

What the issues actually are and what we need to improve things is a far larger conversation than any individual group, and it's more complicated than the questions I've touched on here. And it's fine if you are not in a place to think about these things or engage in these conversations, but blaming endogenic plurals or "fakers" or what have you does not help anyone, and in fact only feeds into ableism, bullying, and harassment.

If mental health care professionals are throwing a tantrum about the legitimacy of DID, it is due to ableism, not individuals like endogenic plurals or "fakers". DID has always been a controversial diagnosis within the mental health field and professionals in that field have always been a dick about people with DID, regardless of whether they perfectly fit a stereotype or not. It's not new and people have got to quit acting like it is.

the headmasters impart wisdom

When we mean that we're a created system, we mean what you just said basically, yeah! We started in the Tulpamancy community and only learned about its association to the Plural community after I already had two other headmates. Now we just use the word "parogenic" which roughly means a created system (there are other terms for it like willogenic, for example, though they all are mostly synonyms. We just like the sound of parogenic more, I suppose!)

The basic idea behind created headmates is "talk to the void as if it's a separate person and wait for it to talk back". There are many different guides but they basically boil down to this. Over time, you start hearing responses that don't feel like they come from you but somebody else (stil in mindvoice, though! Not as a hallucination). The other voice starts being more and more separate from you in terms of how they think, who they identity as, what they like or don't like, ect. And, eventually, that's it - you have a separate person in your brain with their own desires, thoughts and preferences. The more time they spend active and around, the more established they are, to the point when eventually, they're as intertwined in the brain as the person who created them was and can even switch places with them with practice. Though, unlike in other kinds of systems, this is usually a skill one has to learn. There are also headmates that just appear, fully formed. How that happens? No clue, but we've had several headmates that just "showed up" like that, without us doing anything.

Again, we have no idea how that works brain-wise, but that's the basic idea. Whether we experience (in part) even remotely the same thing as you do remains to be seen.

There's some fMRI research being done on created systems, though it still is in the publishing stage, unfortunately :( We'll just have to wait and see what it says, if anything. It's being done by Tanya Lurhmann and Michael Lifshitz

hey y'all! this is my dedicated syscourse blog, because I felt like syscourse was taking up too much space on my main.

i am the host of a traumagenic system of 6. our collective name is the Storm System, but the one running this blog is Ray. our alters range in terms of opinions, but we all lean towards anti endo (some, like me, more so than others).

I'm the most opinionated on syscourse and the most common fronter, so I'll probably be the main one posting. I wouldn't be surprised if Grey hopped in sometimes, though, too.

endos and antis alike are welcome to share opinions or debate me. I can't promise I'll agree/not argue, but the reason I bother with syscourse is to learn about other experiences and perspectives, so I will listen and try to understand if nothing else.

I have a tendency to be very strongly opinionated (sometimes to a fault), so if I seriously cross a boundary or am being unnecessarily rude, please do let me know. that being said, though, there is a difference between being actively cruel and expressing a controversial opinion, so while I will do my best to be respectful, I won't soften my opinions for that sake.

tl;dr: discussion/debate welcome, just don't be a total dick and I'll try my best to do the same :P

OMG GUYS WAIT I THINK I’VE CRACKED IT

You know how Marc and Steven have a different suit and the only thing they have in common is being all white? Well… what have we seen Jake inside of that’s all white and hides his identity?

Listen… What if his ““suit”” is the white limousine?

Look maybe I’m over here thinking I connected the dots and didn’t actually connect shit, but think about it for a second… Jake doesn’t want Marc and Steven to know about him, and while the existence of another Moon Knight wouldn’t be weird (it just means that the manipulative pigeon found someone else), a moon knight that might appear on the news right after the two of them blacked out would DEFINITELY be suspicious!

This way though how could a potential witness describe him? He’s a guy with a hat whose most recognizable thing is a white limo that can’t possibly be traced to the three of them, because it only exists when Jake wants it to!

Plus I just like the idea of Jake, cabbie at heart, listening to Khonshu say “you’ll need the suit” and deciding screw that actually, give him a magic car or no deal.

We're going down with this theory, along with the latent AFO quirk (or equivalent) that Izuku may possess hidden behind the vault door.

Also, bonus points if Izuku's hair turns white somehow, since I have an inkling about that too.

If we're wrong, then at least we will know that we were there till the end for the *meme value* itself.

Reblog if you still believe in the Dad For One theory and please feel free to share with me how you would want it to play out.