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'Imagine claiming that someone with the flu was faking having COVID because both diseases involve sneezing' is a golden line
As a Neurogenic System, I'd like to thank you endos DNI fucks for making me doubt my own existence, feel like I wasn't 'traumatized enough' to be a system, and deny myself recognition for years and years. Fuck all anti endos who only share their love and support with systems they approve of and refuse to acknowledge that systemhood is a symptom rather than the same thing as DID. Imagine claiming that someone with the flu was faking having COVID because both diseases involve sneezing. You all are exclusionist bigots and I'm getting real tired of having to block most system blogs I see.
Mangle hates all of you btw đ©·
I help run this btw đȘ
Undertale Server
so I was getting a little frusrated with all of the Undertale Au servers I was joining that were either ani endo or anti system, so I made one myself!! Welcome to Undertale Au Mayhem! https://discord.gg/hgFF7nkkyn
OK so something I find really silly is people think that hiveminds would be evil cos we think about them as being more like a society than a person
Like I see myself as one person in many bodies...but usually hiveminds are presented like something that has no identity and is just conformity. Whereas I see myself (and other hiveminds) as just one person like the rest of us just expressing themselves through many parts of themselves in different bodies
I also find it amusing the concept of this massive entity that's big and scary to people who don't know what it's like but really it's just your average person with interests and stuff and is really nice. Maybe they like tea you never know!
An extension to this is like
Spaceman: *visits hivemind* so you are a threat
Hivemind: what? No I like plants and books I just have many bodies!? Why would you assume that just cos I'm big I'm evil. What is wrong with you
Spaceman: but I saw some of your spaceships fighting!
Hivemind: haven't you ever had a fight with yourself over begonias!
As a system who's identity and number of aspects is way bigger than I can comprehend (hence why I think in hivemind terms) I love using fleets of starships as my profile pic in all sorts of places. And here's a few reasons why
1: I love space *insert markiplier joke here*
2: It sums up the idea of something alien and expansive and varied without having to say all of that
3: it doesn't show a species like a crowd of people would so it doesn't exclude aspects that aren't human
4: it's a conversation starter
5: it signals to other people that you are nerdy so even outside of plurality it helps fellow nerdy people see you as friend-shaped
6: it's just really cool and shows quickly that you've got a lot to you
7: you don't have to worry about people seeing or thinking about your limiting flesh vessel and instead they think. Hey SPACE
8: I just find space comfy đ
repost bc yeah. im a suspected system and endo system honestly suck. if it comes out that i have some other disorder thats not being a system im still holding this opinion.
Tw: syscourse ,
Endos DNI with this post.
Hot take; I shouldnât have to be terrified to read / like posts. I should have to read the tags to make sure itâs not posted by an endo trying to infiltrate our spaces. I shouldnât have to fear that the thing Iâm gonna read is going to send me into a spiral because itâs gonna be some stupid ass shit about how âtraumagenic systems are losersâ or whatever the other stuff endos say about us is.
WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE AN ALTER WHO SITS OVER MY SHOULDER EVERY TIME I OPEN THIS APP THAT CAN PULL ME AWAY INCASE SOMETHING GETS BAD.
THAT SHOULD NOT BE A THING I, A TRAUMATIZED SYSTEM, SHOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHEN LOOKING FOR COMFORT OR SILLY CONTENT TO CHEER ME UP REGARDING THE TRAUMA FORMED DISORDER THAT WILL FOREVER MAKE MY LIFE DIFFICULT.
âEndos donât hurt anyoneđ„șđ„șđ„șâ
yes they fucking do.
- Sharkbite
âĄââ ââĄTafiâĄââ ââĄ
Hi, I'm Tafi, a tulpa of Awa's, my blog is
@awastulpatafi
Please feel free to check me out and boost my posts if you like them! ïœĄïœ„:*:ïŸââ ,ïœĄïœ„:*:ïŸââ
if you disagree with tulpas/tulpamacy or trauma and endo mixed systems, you are free to ignore or block /nm
Wally Wackford from Helluva Boss is an endogenic system
Tisha from Dandyâs World (Roblox) is an endogenic system
Courtney from Total Drama is a willogenic system
Emma from Total Drama (The Ridonculous Race) is a mixed origins system
Bill Cipher from Gravity Falls is a protogenic system
Fiddleford McGucket from Gravity Falls is a parotraumagenic system
Dipper Pines from Gravity Falls is a willowgenic system
Stanford Pines from Gravity Falls is a paragenic system
For us, being an endo system:
1. Timeloss - not noted as of yet
2. Dissociation - in small doses, non-pathological for the most part
3. Fusion - No, because we don't want to, but we can temporarily merge with others sometimes - never tried doing that for longer periods of time
4. Switches - Usually a few times a day, sometimes we can have a day without switches.
It feels like your "essence" steps out of the body while another headmate steps in, and then the POV changes and you *become* the other headmate (it's basically an identity change). There's this "vibe" (for lack of a better word) that every one of us has so we know if a switch was successful or not depending on whether we "feel like ourselves" enough, among other things like how our resting face looks and how our voice is.
5. System size - it depends, really can't tell
6. We're a created system, so there was no hiding for us
7. It's... Comforting. It will of course vary system by system, but for us, we care about one another and having somebody always have your back is encouraging. Loving and being loved in turn is a gift. The fact that we know exactly what's it like being one another also helps in our understanding of where we're all coming from, which helps in conflicts.
Playing sports together is fun, as our skill level varies between us somewhat. Going into system spaces feels like a punch in the gut, because we're rarely welcomed anywhere (especially outside of Tumblr, but even here at times). Constant fakeclaming of ourselves by ourselves is something that also sucks a ton.
Learning about what types of music each of us likes is interesting. Waking up fronting/being blurry for no reason is kind of disorienting but also kind of funny after the fact. Random voice jumpscares after we speak and our voice is way lower than we expected are a treat but also kind of cursed. Mental hugs feel nice. Being able to rant to each other without the fear of judgement is relieving. Having to constantly watch your speech to not use your own pronouns on accident because you have to pretend to be our host is exhausting.
Trying to give everyone equal attention is also tiring, but worth it, in the end. Switching during studying once someone gets off track is really helpful, too. Feeling blurry is frustrating. Looking back at other's messages and laughing at their sense of humor is great, as is making memes of one another.
There are many others, but I think these are enough to show the general gist :]
curious about natural systems
We are a diagnosed traumagenic system but are curious about other experiences of plurality. We are really curious about the experience of being an endogenic system and how it may or may not overlap with DID. Do endos experience timeloss? Dissociation? Fusion? What is switching like and how frequent is it? Are endo systems generally larger or smaller than traumagenic systems? Do endos generally know they are a system naturally or does their system hide itself like in DID? What is it generally like to be an endo system? Very curious about the experience.
Thanks for reading. I'd say thanks for sharing any experiences but my blog isn't super popular so probably like two people will see this, haha.
So, we donât really know how non-traumagenic headmates actually come about in the brain, scientifically, but we could try explaining how it felt for us!
So, basically, before she was plural, our host was a singlet for 18 years. No plurality-related experiences before that at all, not even any dissociative ones. But she was always lonely, in some way, shape or form.
She stumbled upon tulpamancy before but was scared to try it at the time, but then she found it again at 18. Weâve got ADHD so we have some impulse issues, but she thought it through enough, and so she tried making a âtulpaâ (we donât use the tulpa language anymore, but thatâs what she thought of at the time) out of curiosity, excitement and the possiblity of having a new friend.
Well, it happened very quickly â she started talking to an imaginary girl until said girl started talking back on her own. Said headmate grew more and more established over time. The main idea was âtalk to the void âtill the void talks backâ. She then went through a crisis when it hit her that sheâd be sharing life with her (she knew it cognitively but not emotionally, I think) and, after an argument, they stuck together and are the best of friends now. Later on, her headmate asked for another headmate so that it would be more balanced between them all, and he appeared! Also pretty quickly.
Later on, these two headmates decided that they want to bring another headmate to their group, the final one this time. He is pretty cool! It started overwhelming our host, since 4 is twice as much as two, but theyâre the best of friends now too!
All of our other headmates werenât created by us â they just kind of appeared due to splits (Âż) and other shenanigans. For example, one of our headmates was an age-slider and after that weird incident where we couldnât reach him, he wasnât anymore. Then, 4 new headmates appeared, the 3 of them (including me) being the ages he used to age-slide to specifically, though we only realized that wayyy after the fact. The split wasnât due to anything traumatic at all, it was just random. Yet another headmate appeared later on his own as well.
Honestly, we love and care for each other, but we just have a feeling that our brain is dead-set on messing with us without our consent. There were times where we thought that our system collapsed (due to nothing!!! Nothing at all, just one day it went *poof*!) and our host was panicking very badly. What helped us then was the knowledge that all these neuron pathways/connecitons in our brain that constitute us were built over months wouldnât just disappear in an hour. Eventually, we all came back! :] But yeah, that was terrifying. There were other instances where our brain wanted to make some headmates split for some reason? Or fuse? It didnât happen (thankfully).
Our host has been doing way better since we came into her life, it feels. We convinced her to get some mental health stuff checked out, she stopped being touched-starved anymore (phantom hugs work to alleviate that for us, thankfully!) and she doesnât seem to be so self-negative all the time â when you have somebody else there who loves you and cares about you, they wonât let you hurt yourself without intervening. "Do you think I deserve to be bullied? Then you shouldn't be bullying yourself" â a quote from one of our headmates.
Sure, we had some arguments but they donât last forever. It helps that we all donât have amnesia barriers, so even ideological stuff can be talked about easily with everyone. Everyone has a voice and nobody forces anybody to be anybody â and never had. Itâs nice that we can always switch with somebody when weâre overwhelmed. One time, our headmate was experiencing anxiety that made his stomach ache and, after he switched with someone else, the stomach ache was gone and we could go to sleep. Other time, one of us felt like crying and another one stepped in to handle it instead.
I think what really helps us not feeling like weâre missing out is the fact that weâre monoconscious. Meaning, that there is no time where you just stay in headspace, missing out on life and watching somebody else controlling the body. At all times, instead, we have only one perspective â that of the current fronter â through we experience the world. It just changes âflavoursâ (identities). So, weâre always living life fully â it just changes who we are at the moment.
In the end, we love each other dearly and our host has said âI am really glad that youâre in my life. I donât know who I would have been without you. Thank you so much, I love you allâ, so I donât think she misses the singlet life at all :]
Storytime!
Hey, non-traumagenic systems, how did you become plural?
My system is trying to think of how plurality can be formed outside of trauma experiences and we're finding it difficult. Like, why would you willingly want to be plural when you can have a whole life to yourself, but also why not be plural for the beauty of it?
So I'd love to hear some of your stories and get a wider perspective! /gen
Hereâs some positivity for endogenic systems!
Endogenic systems, or systems who formed without trauma playing a role, have always been and will always be integral members of the plural community. Our spaces simply would not be what they are today without the efforts of endogenic systems! Yâall belong here and make the plural community a beautiful, vibrant, and more welcoming place. So this post is for all the endogenic systems out there!
đ Shoutout to spontaneous systems, or those who suddenly or inexplicably became plural for unknown reasons!
đŒ Shoutout to paros and paromancers, thoughtforms, and other consciously created systems and headmates!
đ Shoutout to systems whose plurality is influenced by daemonism, their spirituality, or imaginary friends!
đž Shoutout to endogenic systems who are disabled, whether or not their disability has impacted their plurality in some way!
đ Shoutout to endogenic artists whose plurality is intrinsically connected to their stories, worlds, or other creative works!
đ± Shoutout to systems who educate others, advocate for, and spread awareness about endogenic plurality!
đ Shoutout to systems who are questioning whether or not they have endogenic origins!
đ» Shoutout to endogenic systems who strive to keep the plural community safe, open, and welcoming to systems of all sorts!
đ Shoutout to endogenic systems who also have trauma histories, but whose plurality is not tied to or influenced by their trauma in any way!
đ Shoutout to endogenic systems who have struggled with being fakeclaimed, harassed, or having their plurality questioned in the past!
â€ïž Shoutout to endogenic systems who are closeted or who keep information about system origins private!
Endogenic systems, please keep your chin up and know that your plurality is valid, you are real, and you will always belong in the plural community just the way you are! Regardless of how your system formed or how your plurality manifests, we want you to know that you belong here and you make our spaces better simply by existing in them!
We are wishing every endogenic system a future full of peace, joy, and self-acceptance. Know that, while we are always happy to confirm it, you donât need outside validation in order to prove that your plurality is real - you know yourself and your system better than anyone else! Please try to take it easy and treat yourself and your system with some kindness today. Thank you so much for reading, and take care!
Tumblr Post of our Endogenic and Non-traumagenic Plurality Research
Endogenic & Non-Traumagenic Plurality By Guardians System, a diagnosed traumagenic DID system with PTSD and CPTSD For use by everyone, to be read by EVERYONE Brought to you by sysmeds who say âIâm not reading all thatâ (/j)
Feel free to DM on Twitter at GuardiansSystemOpen for anonymous questions on Tellonym also under GuardiansSystemOtherwise, just comment! :)
Lists of Links Put together by community members! (Not thoroughly checked)
Plurality/Multiplicity + Syscourse Resources and Findings Pastebin by ButterflyBlood - contains info from the DSM-3 to the DSM-V, medical info, community info, Tulpa info, syscourse info, and a video
Cambrian's Thread of Experts Thread by the Cambrian Crew - contains info from Dr Eric Yarbrough (Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association), info from Dr Nijenhuis and Van Der Hart (two of the writers of the Theory of Structural Dissociation), info from the ICD-11 and DSM-V-TR, and an interview by Dr Richard Loewenstein (lead editor of the DSM-Vâs section on DIssociative Disorders)
Studies into non-disordered and/or endogenic plurality Pastebin by Oliviaset - contains multiple science/government links and a video
Collected Plurality Info - 8 pages of resources - Fractal System Document by The Fractal System - contains explanations on multiple types of plurality and references links to each, contains community info, history info, academic info, and more
Scientific Papers on Endogenic Plurality - r/Plural Post and comments by numerous systems/supporters - contains a massive amount of uncategorised links to all types of information on non-traumagenic plurality
Multiplicity Links - SARAH K REECE Site by Sarah K Reece - a previously diagnosed traumagenic DID system that no longer fits the criteria but is still a system, links focus mainly on general helpful system information
Scientific Articles on Nondisordered Systems Document by Tabellenblatt1 (?) - contains info specific to non-disordered plurality, including the interview by Dr Richard Loewenstein
Ex Uno Plures - Articles Community site by Plures House - contains explanations on plurality, info on living plural, info on personal experiences, medical info, philosophical info, social info, and syscourse info
An Endogenic Proof Masterlist - Plural Anomaly Document by Plural Anomaly - contains community info, academic info, and criticisms on the Theory of Structural Dissociation
Plurality Studies - Multiplicity and Plurality Wiki Wiki made by numerous community members - contains uncategorised abstracts from medical info and info on Tulpas
Non-Traumagenic & Endogenic System Information General medical/clinical studies and research
It's just a body: A community-based participatory exploration of the experiences and health care needs for transgender plural people Study by numerous people including a system - repeatedly references and explains multiple types of plurality, both traumagenic and non-traumagenic
Multiplicity: An Explorative Interview Study on Personal Experiences of People with Multiple Selves Study by numerous people - uses some outdated language, however, explores how systems exist both with and without Dissociative Identity Disorder
Conceptualising multiplicity spectrum experiences: a systematic review and thematic synthesis Study by numerous people - explores how multiplicity exists outside of Dissociative Identity Disorder in a medical context in order to recommend appropriate health services
Critiquing the Requirement of Oneness over Multiplicity: An Examination of Dissociative Identity (Disorder) in Five Clinical Texts (Alternative Link) Study by Kymbra Clayton - explains how multiple selves can be healthy without the need for singularity
NORMAL DIMENSIONS OF MULTIPLE PERSONALITY WITHOUT AMNESIA Study by multiple people - uses slightly outdated language, describes how multiplicity can be considered natural without the dissociative disorders, and how the dissociative disorders could simply be expanding upon multiplicity
Cognitive processes in dissociation: An analysis of core theoretical assumptions Study by numerous people - discusses potentially healthy dissociation and the existence of dissociation without trauma
MODES OF EXISTENCE: TOWARDS A PHENOMENOLOGICAL POLYPSYCHISM Study by Mick Cooper - discusses alternative ways for multiple selves to exist
A plurality of selves? An illustration of polypsychism in a recovered addict Study by Peter T.F. Raggatt - discusses the normality of non-traumagenic multiplicity and different ways for natural plurality to exist
A Jungian Perspective on the Dissociability of the Self Study by Brian R. Skea - includes multiple mentions of Freud, extremely explicit and triggering language, and repeated use of outdated terms, however helps to provide an understanding of much older views on non-traumagenic dissociation and plurality
TRANSGENDER Mental Health - chapter 11 Book by Dr. Eric Yarbrough of the American Psychiatric Association - states repeatedly throughout the chapter that plurality is only a part of dissociative identity disorder and exists without the disorder, as well as trauma only being reported in some cases of plurality and that trauma is not the only cause for plurality, and states that plurality itself is only a collection of alters
"I've Learned to Treat my Characters like People": Varieties of Agency and Interaction of Writers' Experiences of their Characters' Voices Study by multiple people - describes authorsâ common experience of accidental multiplicity caused by their characters gaining autonomy
Dissociation in Trauma: A New Definition and Comparison with Previous Formulations Article by Ellert R S Nijenhuis and Onno van der Hart (two of the writers of the Theory of Structural Dissociation) - page 27, at the end of the article, they recognise mediumship and similar practices as a âdivision of personality,â which is what they refer to the dissociative disorders as
Exploring the Experiences of Young People with Multiplicity Research by Zarah Eve and Sarah Perry - begins with multiplicity only sometimes being applicable for a DID/OSDD diagnosis, and continues that multiplicity itself and the dissociative disorders are not the same, as well as some respondents not associating their multiplicity with trauma alongside the dissociative disorders not applying to some of the respondents, and having a section for some multiplicity not being based in trauma
Comparison of Brazilian spiritist mediumship and dissociative identity disorder Study by multiple people - in comparing Dissociative Identity Disorder with Brazilian Spiritist Mediumship, it was found the two shared very similar results, only that the Mediumship results appeared slightly healthier than DID
Tulpamancy Studies and research specifically on Tulpas, though can apply to other plurality
Tibetan Buddhist with a Tulpa - Opinion on Plurality Post by Dharma Yokeyodasampa - a Tibetan Buddhist with a more traditional Tulpa asking community members for questions, discussions include what they think about plurality, western Tulpamancy, how their Tulpa feels, and the difference between western Tulpamancy and the Tibetan practice. (This is a post compiling and explaining most of it, with a response from Dharma.)
Personality Characteristics of Tulpamancers and Their Tulpas Study by multiple people - examines and explores what Tulpas are, what they do, their role, Tulpa experiences, some history, and more
Sentient companions predicted and modeled into existence: explaining the Tulpa phenomenon Study by Kaj Sotala - describes a theory on how Tulpas may be psychologically caused via âfeedback loopsâ (can also be applied to various other types of plurality, such as multiplicity caused by authors/artists and caused by other disorders)
A Time for Tulpas Thesis by Nick Stager - discusses what a Tulpa is, experiences with Tulpas, the development of Tulpas, how other practices may be similar, how an author can accidentally create Tulpas, and more
Tracking the Tulpa - Exploring the "Tibetan" Origins of a Contemporary Paranormal Idea Book by Natasha L. Mikles and Joseph P. Laycock - explains what Tulpas are, how Tulpas are created both intentionally and unintentionally, some of the history behind Tulpa, and Tulpas based on theosophy instead of the Tibetan practice
Tulpas and Mental Health: A Study of Non-Traumagenic Plural Experiences Study by Jacob J. Isler - explains what Tulpamancy is and how it can differ from Dissociative Identity Disorder but still be pluralÂ
Paranormalizing the Popular through the Tibetan Tulpa: Or what the next Dalai Lama, the X Files and Affect Theory (might) have in common Article by Ben Joffe - explains what Tulpas are, how Tulpas develop, Tulpa experiences in the outside world, the difference between Tulpamancy and the Tibetan practice, some of the history behind Tulpas, Theosophy-related Tulpas, and Tibetan Sprulpa experiences
Making Friends - Transcript of a Podcast on Tulpas (Slightly incorrect: more info here) Discussion by multiple people - explains multiple personal experiences with a Tulpa, actions of a Tulpa, accidental creation of Tulpas through writing, Tulpas taking over the physical body, Tulpas having a different identity, purposeful creation of Tulpas, discussions with professionals (Richard J. Loewenstein,) the difference between Tulpas and psychosis, the similarity between Tulpas and Dissociative Identity Disorder, how without distress then it canât be disordered, and more
Daring to Hear Voices
Dalai Lama - Buddhist practices are open to those who need them
Clinical Information Helpful medical information not specifically related to non-traumagenic systems
DID Brain Pattern Study Doesn't Measure Up - December 2018 Critique by Spot&Cerberus - discusses the multiple flaws with the MRI scan on DID patients
Moral Status and the Treatment of DID Study by Timothy J. Bane - discusses the current known treatments for DID in the context of integration being commonly used, how it may be unethical and unhealthy to force integration, and that a multiple can healthily exist
DID, OSDD, and UDD Diagnostic Guide (NZ) Diagnostic guide by ACC (Accident Compensation Corporation) - the New Zealand guide to diagnosing patients with DID, OSDD, and UDD, includes history of the diagnosis, problems with the diagnosis, alternative diagnoses, requirements for a diagnosis, what to avoid in a diagnosis, what to look for in a diagnosis, and similar
The Theory of Structural Dissociation Theory by multiple people - the most commonly used theory to explain dissociation, often specifically related to dissociative disorders
Problems with the Theory of Structural Dissociation Research by multiple people - discusses multiple problems with the Theory of Structural Dissociation, including it being a theory, the discarding of derealisation, depersonalisation, dissociative fugue, dissociative amnesia, the lack of association with trauma and PTSD in the DSM-V, and proposes some different ideas
ICD-11 for Mortality and Morbidity Statistics Book by the World Health Ogranisation - Dissociative disorders on 6B64
DSM DID ALTERATIONS
DSM-V-TR
DSM-V (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition) Book by the American Psychiatric Association - Dissociative Disorders on page 336
DSM-IV-TR
DSM-IV
DSM-III-R
DSM-III
DSM-II-SPECIAL
DSM-II
DSM-I-SPECIAL
DSM-I
Plural History Explanations and references to different parts of plural history
Plural History - 1811 Collection by Lb Lee - contains multiple parts of history in which systems of all types have existed (there are 4 different chapters)
A Partial History of Plural Self-Advocacy Collection by Alt H - describes times in history starting from 1987 when non-traumagenic plural advocacy was recorded
It's Not Just a Tumblr Thing - Kerry Dawkins Article by Ex Uno Plures - contains references in history to plurality outside of and before Tumblr
A Brief History of the Use of "System" in a Non-DID Space Collection by Lb Lee - describes the history of the word âsystemâ being used to describe those with multiple selves, and how it isnât a disorder-specific term
A Quick'N'Dirty History of "System" as Plural Slang Collection by Lb Lee - explains the history of the word âsystemâ and the different uses
"Endogenic" was not coined by Freud Collection by Sophie in Wonderland - a discussion on the anti-endos claim that âendogenicâ was coined by Freud
Origin of the term Endogenic Explanation by the Lunastus Collective - details how the term âendogenicâ came to be created, what led up to it, and what happened after
I saw a post saying we should just believe RAMCOA surivors... okay... so how about this one? Explanation by Sophie in Wonderland - describes how and why anti-endos think âsystem hoppingâ was stolen by endogenic systems from RAMCOA systems, including an explanation from the RAMCOA system that anti-endos reference
Community Explanations Explanations on endogenic plurality by community members (sources are used)
Debunking the Anti-Endo Carrd - Guardians System To be updated
What do Sysmeds say That is Transphobic/TERF Rhetoric? Post by multiple people - a discussion on the comparison of sysmeds and transmeds, and how their arguments and the language they use is the same
Why Not Just Use Thoughtform? Collection by Sophie in Wonderland and Olivia Set - describes why some parogenic systems prefer using Tulpa over ThoughtformÂ
Debunking Sysmeds - Claims and Rebuttals Carrd by Ozymandias& - lists claims that anti-endos make against endogenic systems, and critiques the claims alongside referencing studies
I would define a plural system as having multiple, compartmentalised, self-conscious agents - SophieInWonderland Collection by Sophie in Wonderland - an explanation of the validity of endogenic and non-traumagenic systems complete with referenced research and studies
Studies and Research into Endogenic and Non-Disordered Plurality
Masterpost - Academia on Endogenic and non-traumagenic plurality Post by Inclusive Syscourse - contains an explanation on the validity of endogenic and non-traumagenic plurality complete with referenced research
Claims There is No Research On Endogenics Post by Unknown - a list of research on endogenic and non-traumagenic plurality alongside explanations and descriptions
Origins of Plurality and Levels of Dissociation Study by The Phoenixes - uses the DES to gain insight into plurality not caused by trauma
The Tulpa Carrd - explain the nature and origins of Tulpamancy and what surrounds it Carrd by Unknown - lists an explanation and some history of Tulpamancy alongside references to research
Likely Origins of "Tulpamancy is Cultural Appropriation" Post by the Dragonheart System - critiques a Carrd claiming that Tulpamancy is cultural appropriation, referencing research and studies
Resources General helpful resources for all systems
Multiplicity Wiki - A wiki by plurals and multiples, for plurals and multiples Wiki by multiple people - contains terms, definitions, and general information on all types of plurality and multiplicity
Layman's Guide to Multiplicity Guide by Unknown - contains terms, definitions, information, explanations, and experiences on multiple types of plurality
The Plural Association - For Dissociative Identity Disorder & all other forms of Multiplicity under the Plural umbrella Organisation by the Stronghold System (?) - contains help sites for all types of struggling systems, alongside helpful information and articles on multiple areas
Pluralpedia - the collaborative plurality dictionary Dictionary by multiple people - contains a massive amount of information on the majority of plural terms and history
Endogenic Hub -Â a site dedicated to endogenic plurality Hub by the Hordes System - contains information and experiences on multiple types of non-traumagenic plurality, alongside explanations of what plurality is
More Than One - Plurality (or multiplicity) is the existence of multiple self-aware entities inside one physical brain Site by Unknown - contains information on terms, different system origins, denounces myths about plurality, and different plural experiences
The Dissociative Initiative - For, by, and about people with multiplicity, dissociation, and amnesia Run by Sarah K Reece - a support group for systems that contains different information and resources on plurality
Tulpa Info - "For Science" Guide by Unknown - multiple different languages, explains what a Tulpa is, why they can exist, and where to begin when making a Tulpa
FAQ If youâre a sysmed, you might end up here! Congrats if you do!
What is a system? A system is anyone who has more than one entity/identity in the body/brain.Â
What is plural/multiple? They mean pretty much the same as "system", only "plural" was made exclusively to be inclusive of every experience that involves many in the same body. E.g. if someone is an anti-endo or sysmed and uses the hashing "plural" to find friends, they're going to attract inclusive folks who support endos.
What is DID? DID stands for Dissociative Identity Disorder. It is a disorder in which a system experiences severe dissociation that heavily impacts their life on a day-to-day basis.
What is OSDD? OSDD stands for otherwise Specified Dissociative Disorder and is used when they experience similar symptoms to DID but are missing one of the diagnostic criteria. E.g. OSDD-1A is used when there's a lack of distinct identities or no identities. OSDD-1B is used when there's a lack of memory gaps. (The separate OSDD categories don't properly exist as a diagnosis themselves - they are carried over from DDNOS.)
What is UDD? UDD stands for Unspecified Dissociative Disorder. It's often used as a placeholder diagnosis by professionals to say that although there is a dissociative disorder, they're not sure what it is.
What is a non-disordered system? A non-disordered system is a system without DID, OSDD, or UDD. They don't experience the disorders or do not fit the criteria.Â
What is traumagenic, endogenic, mixed-origins, etc.? Traumagenic is a system that is formed from trauma. Endogenic is a system that is formed without trauma. Mixed-origins is a system that has multiple origins, E.g. some alters came from trauma and some did not.
What is a Tulpa? A Tulpa is a created identity that comes from repeatedly feeding information on one character or multiple characters into the brain. It can be purposeful or accidental.
DID/OSDD/UDD are trauma disorders? The diagnostic criteria for the disorders don't include trauma being necessary, nor does it anywhere else in the category. Trauma disorders and dissociative disorders are also categorised separately, and there are past studied cases of DID that weren't caused by trauma. The DSM-V-TR also includes a section that states trauma isn't necessary for a diagnosis.
You need trauma to be a system? The DSM-V specifies that a diagnosis of DID cannot be applied to cultural plurality. Culture-related plurality has existed and been documented for centuries, erased by colonisation and racism. Common cultural plurality includes Tibetan Buddhism, many Two-Spirit folk, medians, and mediums. These and more are all plural.
Dissociation is a trauma reaction? Youâll find nearly every if not every professional refers to some dissociation as âtrauma-related dissociationâ - take, for example, Kathy Steele, one of the writers of the Theory of Structural Dissociation, whose work consists almost only of âtrauma-related dissociationâ. That wouldnât be necessary if dissociation only came from trauma. Dissociation is commonly shown to exist both inside and outside of other disorders. Itâs especially common in BPD, ADHD, MADD, autism, and a few other disorders.
So only cultural and spiritual plurality can be non-traumagenic? Theyâre the most well-researched, but not the only non-traumagenic plurality. There are a few different theories as to how other plurality can form. Many experience their plurality caused by mostly unrelated disorders - autism, ADHD, BPD, Bipolar Disorder, MADD, etc. Others report accidentally creating alters, especially those who focus on characters, such as writers, artists, and authors. Yet more simply say they were born with their plurality, or grew up being plural without trauma being the cause. We believe plurality that hasnât existed since birth could be caused by a âfeedback loopâ (here) in which oneâs brain, after being fed repeated information, begins to predict the information, therefore creating actions to fill that prediction. This could be used to explain Tulpamancy (repeated info), artists/authors/writers (repeated info), ASD (masking and special interests), ADHD (masking and hyperfixations), BPD (splitting and more), MADD (repeated info), Bipolar (different states), and so on.Â
Endogenic systems harm traumagenic systems? We and others have asked multiple times for sysmeds to tell us why they think endogenic systems hurt them, and every time weâve either received silence or something thatâs already been covered. Besides that, anti-endos hurt other traumagenic systems with their BS far more than endogenic systems might hurt them.
Anti-endos hurt traumagenic systems? Yup, and very frequently, considering sysmeds repeat the exact same information. Sysmeds say you have to be disordered to be a system - traumagenic systems exist without being disordered. Sysmeds say endogenic systems stole traumagenic terms - a mix of the communities coined the majority of system terms, and âendogenicâ was coined by a traumagenic system. Sysmeds say what someone went through isnât traumatising or horrific enough - traumagenic systems can be caused by any amount of trauma, no matter how âinsignificantâ it seems. Sysmeds repeatedly tell endogenic systems they need to have trauma - telling someone they have to have trauma when they either donât or have amnesia around it can be incredibly damaging and has hurt many traumagenic systems. Sysmeds say they need to go to a psychologist or a therapist and be diagnosed - many traumagenic systems canât be diagnosed. Many endogenic systems have trauma, just know they werenât formed from it, and anti-endos repeatedly mock them about having trauma. Thereâs much, much more, but to end it, as a traumagenic system, weâve personally been assaulted, harassed, threatened, told to kill ourself, and had our trauma completely invalidated and discarded by anti-endo traumagenic systems.
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Endogenic Research (Text Form) - NightFallSystem
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Hey everybody.
This is a list of the research and resources we've compiled over the last year or so that refers in some way to plurality, especially in the context of being endogenic and non-traumagenic supportive.
We often argue this subject on Twitter, alongside (hope you don't mind the tags) @cambriancrew and @sophieinwonderland . We've included a few of their posts in this, as they do share some wonderful information. Sophie deals in mainly Tulpamancy, we believe? And Cambrians does a wide range of things. They've both been incredibly helpful, so big credit and massive thank you to those two (and anyone else in this document) :)
Feel free to link this post or the document itself to anyone. Link it everywhere. Feel free to tag us too, as your friendly neighbourhood endo-friendly traumagenic DID system with PTSD and CPTSD. Our collective pronouns are phe/phex/phins, and we're collectively called Guardians or Guardians System.
Hope this helps some folks! If anything's wrong in this post, mention it in the notes (we think that's how Tumblr works?) and we'll adjust it in the Google Document. Alternatively, if you'd prefer to remain anonymous or would like to talk to us directly, you can check our LinkTree at the top of this page. We're always open to feedback and new research! We're especially interested in making our document more reader-friendly, as it can be a bit of an eyesore. but we're not the best at formatting documents.
If we do receive updates to edit some information, we'll be doing so on the document, so always double-check there in case there's been a change. If there are enough updates, we'll redo this post, but hopefully, that won't be necessary for a long time, because formatting all this in Tumblr is more than enough for us.
Thank you for reading!
-Rakan (not Marcus, fuck you Marcus)
The tulpamancy study AMA was so exciting!! We woke up ridiculously late and all the questions we wanted to ask already had been; so happy with the level of passion from the community!
some responses from the two researchers that we found interesting/exciting:
