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"DoNt hAte On pEoPlE wiTh diFfErIng viEwS"
Fucking funny coming from someone who thinks endogenic systems aren't real
WE'RE REAL, YOU ASSHOLE
............why did I leave anons enabled
Our main issue is when endogenics break into trauma spaces.
Our relationship with syscourse is complicated as laid out in our introduction.
Avoiding syscourse is nearly impossible in system spaces, and everyone expects you to have an opinion on it.
I don't want to take a side. The majority of my system do.
It's not black and white. Mental health, mental wellness, and saying yay or nay to the possibility of non trauma sourced 'plural' experience looses the natural nuance in human experience.
There are things that haven't been researched about DID... It's completely possible (and likely) that the same goes for those who claim to be non trauma based systems. We know barely anything about the human brain.
I do have issues with some of the bullying, misinformation and other harmful behaviours that I've observed from both sides of the syscourse argument. It’s never okay to send death threats.
The fandom attitude, misinformation, immaturity and other rampant issues in both traumagenic and endogenic spaces need to be addressed before any kind of possible growth can happen.
Seperating the possibility of non trauma sourced plurality from trauma sourced is important, and both groups should have an ability to express themselves without being attacked.
I'm not neutral, nor pro endo, nor anti endo.. there's research that goes both ways (for/against) around endogenic experience... So I'm undecided. All I see are people who've had experiences who should be listened to.
~ Kyle 💜
Mid-continuum VS. Median
Disclaimer: This is a post covering a deep dive of archived events that took place in the past. DO NOT harass or send hate towards anyone mentioned.
Introduction
Mid-continuum was an early label created on the Internet sometime in 1996 by a plural named Vickis. Many individuals, both dissociative and non-dissociative, felt drawn to this term and it became quite popular. Unfortunately, it also ended up grabbing the attention of the anti-DID/OSDD movement. Later in the 2000′s, an anti-DID/OSDD organization coined the term median to replace mid-continuum. Median became more popularized, and mid-continuum subsequently fell out of usage. This post will be going over what I discovered while deep diving Internet archives regarding this subject.
The Precursor to Mid-continuum
In 1997 and earlier, many of the DID-focused websites at the time, such as Astraea’s Web, were spreading around a psychological model known as the dissociative spectrum (or continuum). This older model was conceptualized by Braun in 1988. His model suggested that dissociation lay on a continuum from normal experiences (daydreaming, zoning out, etc.) all the way to polyfragmented DID.
Archive of article by Joan A. Turkus, M.D. (1997)
Proof that this article was shared on Astraea’s Web.
Note for readers: Sources on this post do not reflect up-to-date research and treatment on dissociative disorders.
What was the Mid-continuum?
1. It was based off of the psychological model.
At the time, many individuals in the dissociative community felt drawn to Braun’s dissociative continuum model. One individual in particular, named Vickis, came up with a term for people who identified somewhere in the middle of this continuum. They called it mid-continuum dissociation or just mid-continuum for short. They called those who identified under the label mid-continuum dissociatives. Vickis eventually created a webpage dedicated to this concept called the Wonderful World of the MidContinuum.
2. It was created for dissociative folks.
It was sometime in 1997 when Vickis announced their new webpage to alt.support.dissociation, a Usenet group that was created for people with dissociative disorders. In their message, they stated that mid-continuum folks were dissociative folks who did not fit all of the DID criteria.
You can find an archive of this message here.
You can find an archive of the mid-continuum webpage here.
On their webpage, Vickis explained that mid-continuum was a label for anyone who felt like they had dissociated parts and fell somewhere in the middle on the dissociative continuum model. A quote from the homepage:
“Everyone dissociates. At one end of the dissociative continuum is ‘normal’ or ‘common’ dissociation that nearly everyone engages in[…] At the other end are the behaviors that characterize ‘classical’ multiples, who may have large numbers of very distinct insiders with little internal communication, serious difficulties with time loss, amnesia, and so on.
Between these two extremes, there is a lot of gray. Ranging from having different ‘roles’ that you live out in different situations, to having an ‘inner child’ or ‘inner children’ with varying degrees of separateness, to having ‘ego states,’ ‘parts’ or ‘fragments’ that don’t seem to be whole people, to having some but not all of the diagnostic criteria for what is now known as DID[…]”
3. It was created out of respect for folks with DID.
At the time of mid-continuum’s coinage, the DID diagnosis was still usually called MPD or multiplicity in the online dissociative community. Several people, including Vickis, believed that it was disrespectful to call themselves multiple if they didn’t have DID. This seemed to be another reason why Vickis coined the mid-continuum. They believed that calling their own experiences multiplicity would minimize the struggles of those who experienced DID.
From their essay on the subject (archive here):
“[…] someone elsewhere in this thread said something like ‘I don’t want to call myself multiple because I don’t want to minimize the sufferings of those who are really multiple’. And I can really relate to that. That’s why I say I’m not-quite-multiple usually. Because I don’t lose time and never have, I can’t possibly know what that’s like… I don’t have barriers that prevent communication between parts… I don’t have the struggles that people who are further down the continuum from me have, and I would never want to minimize their issues by claiming that my own are the same.”
4. Mid-continuum folks often had OSDD.
A lot of Vickis’ writing on the mid-continuum reminds me of OSDD (formerly DDNOS). It makes me wonder why they did not mention it more. The only mention I could find was made in 1999, where Vickis offhandedly expressed that mid-continuum folks usually ended up diagnosed with OSDD if seeking a diagnosis. (X) It’s likely that they didn’t mention it more because there wasn’t a lot of recognition for the disorder back then, and Vickis also seemed to prefer less clinical labels for themself.
The Precursor to Median
Over several years, mid-continuum had gained quite a bit of popularity across the Internet. Many anti-psych websites began to take issue with this due to mid-continuum’s origins. For example, many psych-related words such as DID, alter, and host could be found listed as derogatory to empowered and natural multiples on Dark Personalities. (X) Mid-continuum was unfortunately subjected to this as well. “Since many people feel the idea of a continuum to be inaccurate, many are seeking a new term instead of mid-continuum,” Dark Personalities stated. It wouldn’t be long before some anti-psyches tackled this challenge.
What was Median?
1. It was created to replace mid-continuum.
In 2003, the natural multiplicity organizations Lancers & Pavilion decided to take action. (Read my post on Lancers/Pavilion here.) They stated that it was a mistake for the mid-continuum to be based on psychology and dissociation. (X) Furthermore, they seemed to be a bit perturbed that Vickis believed multiplicity was exclusively caused by trauma. (X) As a way to right what they saw as wrong, they came up with the term median to replace mid-continuum. (X)
On the Pavilion website, Astraea’s Web wrote an essay on the midcontinuum and why they came up with the median label to replace it. You can read that essay here. This excerpt sticks out to me the most:
“It’s important to allow the concept to be inclusive of everyone who fits, regardless of past abuse history or origins, much as is currently being done for ‘multiplicity.’ With its roots in the abuse-dissociation model, midcontinuum is too limiting; it is no longer useful to us. Median creates a certain measure of psychological distance and gives the concept a fresh start, without the dissociative baggage of the past, and embraces all who feel they are more than one.”
To summarize, mid-continuum was a label that was created by dissociative folks for dissociative folks. Non-dissociative anti-psychs decided to replace it because it wasn’t useful or inclusive enough for them, and it was too psychological. That’s why they came up with median.
2. It was created to exclude people with DID/OSDD.
The Lancers/Pavilion did not intend for people with dissociative disorders to use the median label. Their philosophy was that people with DID/OSDD could not actually be plural, multiple, or median. The organizations believed that only “functional” and “non-disordered” individuals could be plural, multiple, or median. If a person with DID/OSDD was able to function up to their standards, then Lancers/Pavilion considered the person to no longer have DID/OSDD.
More can be read here.
And also here.
3. It was meant to be more vague than mid-continuum.
Unlike the mid-continuum, which viewed plurality on a psychologically-backed linear continuum, the organizations presented plurality as a more loose idea. From the archived essay on Pavilion:
“Midcontinuum is helpful, but it’s rather too limiting. One can dispense with the dissociation bits at once, but you’re still left with plurality as a linear continuum, with singlethood at one end and multiplicity at the other. The concept is thus two-dimensional.
It’s probably much more realistic, given social and personal diversity, to think of plurality as a sphere, with a potentially infinite number of points; and, to remember that at different times in one’s life, one may reside at any of those points, or at no fixed abode. Postmodernist notions of identity as fluid and nonlinear may be helpful in understanding this. If you experience yourself as selves, but feel that your others are not independent of yourself, you can probably describe yourself as median.”
Their descriptions of plurality and medianhood are extremely vague and unclear. Due to all of this, it’s no wonder to me that people with DID/OSDD ended up identifying with the concept anyways, despite the organizations’ intentions.
Median & OSDD
Before ending this post, I wanted to mention that I have met many folks with OSDD who have previously identified as median systems due to the misconception that it was a synonym for OSDD. I remember, when I first joined the online community, someone told me that “median system” was actually coined by people with OSDD. As you can read above, this definitely isn’t true. If you have OSDD and you identify as median, that’s fine, but I still occasionally see people spreading misinformation about it which is why I felt that it was important to include this note here!
i refuse to name the account publicly because im not stooping to their level but. Oh that's a slightly popular system account saying its perfectly fine to post endos to syscringe subreddits because they're not being "harassed..." i wanna fight back but. Not worth it :/ (i say this as someone who genuinely doesnt give a shit about syscourse but DOES give a shit about stopping syscringe subreddits)
:( That’s not okay.
No one deserves to be posted to syscringe pages. Endos included. Even when someone is being ridiculous. Posting without their knowledge is NOT okay. It's a much better idea to speak to the person one on one rather than potentially harming them.
I'm fully against sharing content off personal blogs and social media, e.g. screenshots, especially when usernames, and things that could identify the user are included.
There are some exceptions; like when people have tried to do their best to stop the person's behaviour, and it has continued to a point where it needs to be addressed further; for example when the Felix Cypher drama happened and his family was involved.
There's a fine line between analysis and straight up mocking — which is what syscringe and disorder cringe pages do.
Besides, a lot of content posted to those pages simply don't care that some of the people they're laughing at genuinely do have those disorders, and their symptom set is slightly unusual. It's extremely damaging to those who are posted.
That goes for all syscourse stances. I don't care if you're anti-endo, pro-endo or anything in between. There is a person behind almost every single account on the internet, and posting to syscringe is a form of cyberbullying and harassment.
Some people will always be shitty and cruel, however it's up to you [reader], to not contribute.
the amount of frustration i have reading through the DID, OSDD and traumagenic tags, is about the same as i feel from the endogenic tags... everyone is spreading misinformation, so... please, traumagen/anti-endo systems stop saying that it's just endogenic systems who have an issue??? the amount of psychologically inaccurate statements being claimed as fact, just because they're being posted by traumagenic systems is insane.
new sysource stance: Everyone Is Wrong [ftr, this is a joke]
Confession
I hate how syscourse means that I miss out on speaking to cool people on both sides of the conversation. There are cool people behind the labels on both sides!
Both ways you end up on someone's DNI list and miss out on their side of the conversation because you're on a DNI!
Say you're anti endo? Pro endos don't want to hear from you and same goes the other way around. I want to hear from pro endos why they believe in endo systems, and to do the same from anti endos why they believe they don't exist!
I want to hear from an endogenic system how they experience plurality and comipre to ours. I don't want to believe that many people would fall for misinformation as anti endos claim.
Aw anon, I'm so sorry. Sending hugs if you like hugs 💕
I feel this so so deeply though, man
Syscourse does mean you miss out on cool people and it does mean that people are bullied unnecessarily. ~ blurry but probably 🔥, 🐚, or 💜 (or some mix thereof)
are you anti-endo? /Genq
Some of your posts are tagged with "endo dni" unless it's a glitch
Just wondering as we don't wanna break your dni!
Depends on the alter - some of our system are anti endo but not everyone! We've just settled on neutral/complicated as our overall stance. We don't have a syscourse related DNI except for those specific posts (our DNIs are just the usual "don't be an ass 👌🏻")
Some of our posts are tagged endos dni intended for that specific post not to be interacted with by endos - especially if it's a very specific trauma related thing often our system will pop that tag on to save confusion etc.
Thanks for asking!
AHAKJSKSJDKSJDND it hurts me sm to see this but man MAN DO I AGREE
[fully stealing this off @okiimii with permission bc I'm curious about my demographics response]
Reblog for reach if you wish :)
I would die a happy man if I never had to see another syscourse post in my life
Lying to keep your system safe.
I've lied to multiple agencies stating we have OSDD rather than DID.
Our local support agents, especially financial ones, tend to label DID as clinically insane and unsafe; we say we have DID and people often make up their minds based on inaccurate and outdated stereotypes. We don't waste our breath advocating for ourselves when we will only meet someone once or twice and opinion is already set in stone based on a three letter acronym.
Our psychologist encourages us to do so. He's written letters on my behalf with the same set of information/symptoms/reccomendations, but saying OSDD & PTSD rather than DID & PTSD. The slight seperation in social perception between 'this person has multiple personalities' and 'this person has periods of disassociation and these other symptoms' is often enough to prevent stigma filled responses.
Other situations where lying or changing details may be wise
If a stranger is being overly pushy regarding your system information especially if they are targeting vulnerable alters.
Online - often avoiding posting full alter counts or details that may trigger others (positive or negative) to front is wise, especially on public forums like Reddit and Tumblr
As many of you know, we use psyudeonums to avoid any links being drawn between our online presence and our private life. Singlets use psyudeonums, as can systems/individual alters.
Stating system origin and syscourse stances can, and unfortunately often, leads to harassment and unfair treatment from all sides of the conversation. Sometimes it's safer not to state it.
If someone is making you uncomfortable with questions; you are well within your right to block them. Minors especially, if your gut says no, listen.
You don't owe the world your system's information, and omitting the truth can be the safest way to keep that private. Hell, we can count on a hand how many people know we are a system in our personal life.- let alone anything more detailed.
In an ideal world, no system would have to do that.
We aren't in an ideal world.
So I leave you with this: sometimes it's okay to lie or omit the truth to keep your system safe. Especially in places where stigma runs rampant or you don't know who you're speaking with very well. Just, do me a solid and try not to lie to your psychs, 'kay?
Sending love and hugs,
System dad, Kyle 💜
Tbh I think everyone would be better off if we put all syscourse stances in a PVP battle in Minecraft and let them get their stress out.
Call that syscraft.
YES. Thank you!
endos are valid by the way, if you're endo I believe you when you say your system formed for reasons other than trauma. tumblr, i want you to stop putting anti-endo shit on my dash this election season;; will i see you at the polls
THANK YOU, fUck that bullshit. Endos go against the very deffinition of what a system is and all of our knowledge of it. use your fucking brain.
you are not a system without trauma.
your system did not form for any reason other than trauma.
"non-traumagenic" isn't a thing.
"traumaendo" isn't a thing.
trauma survivors shouldn't have to clarify that they're "traumagenic" because people want to roleplay on the internet.
go fuck yourself if you think that "endos" are valid. my trauma isn't a label you can wear.
you can not be a system without trauma.
you can not be a system without trauma.
you can not be a system without trauma.
[ID: STOP! this blog is a strictly anti-endo space! pro-endos and endo neutrals, shoo! shoo shoo!]
imagine if a bunch of people started claiming to be "endogenic borderlines" or "nondisordered borderlines"
and then when people with BPD started correcting them and saying "hey, BPD is a very serious mental illness and under the TOSD it's impossible to develop it without trauma" they just responded with "we never claimed to have BPD, we're borderlines without BPD"
that's how you sound calling yourselves endogenic / nondisordered systems
You know, as someone in an Endo system who discovered the whole Syscourse scene just a few months ago (and who wasn't even a part of the plural community before), it's really, really exhausting.
And I'm not even talking about people disagreeing with Endogenic systems existing or being critical of the community, but just the unwillingness to simply *talk* with each other.
DNI's can be genuinely helpful for those who want to cultivate their own community online and who don't want some people to interact with them to keep themselves comfortable. It's just when I see post after post with people throwing vitriol at others and then just shield themselves with a DNI... Or when I see somebody give some genuinely good examples of how some parts of the Endo community act in harmful ways and then just put an "Endo's DNI" there at the end. In part, I get that. I really do. But it also really stifles discussion (not talking about vents here, just to be clear).
I really just want to talk to people who disagree with me and people like me without worrying that I'll get posted somewhere and laughed at behind my back, or that I'll get hate asks and all. I want to be able to talk with different people and learn new things, and maybe let them know about things that they didn't know about before in turn. But wherever we go, there's always a DNI.
"An endo-friendly server that allows syscourse? DNI anti-endos. Oh, another server that allows syscourse? Cool, maybe we'll- DNI Endos."
There are no respectful places for honest debate. It's just echo chambers, where people either don't want to talk to the other side because they *don't* want to even hear their perspective, or are simply too scared of being hurt and/or bullied to be able to.
It's really exhausting.
Hello! I saw your post and I guess I just thought it was cool that you wanted to talk with others, even if you disagreed with them! :] So, I guess I should start off by saying I'm someone in an endogenic system, but I won't try to convice you that we experience what we do. Just wanted to ask out of curiosity, if anything!
Do you think that those who claim to be endogenic systems are actually DID/OSDD systems in denial? Or that they are just making it all up? Or something else?
What were/are some things that endogenic systems mention experiencing that you can't relate with at all?
What kind of evidence would you need to entertain the possibility of systems forming without trauma? I mean like MRI stuff, DSM acknowledging them, other?
Do you like coffee or tea? We personally like tea with honey and mint though coffee puts us to sleep, lol.
Feel free to answer any questions that you're comfortable with answering! Hope you have a good evening! :]
hey y'all! this is my dedicated syscourse blog, because I felt like syscourse was taking up too much space on my main.
i am the host of a traumagenic system of 6. our collective name is the Storm System, but the one running this blog is Ray. our alters range in terms of opinions, but we all lean towards anti endo (some, like me, more so than others).
I'm the most opinionated on syscourse and the most common fronter, so I'll probably be the main one posting. I wouldn't be surprised if Grey hopped in sometimes, though, too.
endos and antis alike are welcome to share opinions or debate me. I can't promise I'll agree/not argue, but the reason I bother with syscourse is to learn about other experiences and perspectives, so I will listen and try to understand if nothing else.
I have a tendency to be very strongly opinionated (sometimes to a fault), so if I seriously cross a boundary or am being unnecessarily rude, please do let me know. that being said, though, there is a difference between being actively cruel and expressing a controversial opinion, so while I will do my best to be respectful, I won't soften my opinions for that sake.
tl;dr: discussion/debate welcome, just don't be a total dick and I'll try my best to do the same :P
Thank you for your response! :D
So, right off the bat, I'll say that we're one of those systems that just... Happened, one day. To be honest, the exact mechanics of how that worked is still quite unclear to us, but I feel it's only fair to share it! So, for 19 years it was just one of us, the OG if you will. So I figured she'd explain it from her point of view.
-- (warning: this got quite longer than I intended it to)
1. So, there are a few things that make me believe that we don't have a dissociative disorder. For one, I never experienced any identity confusion in the slightest before I became a system. Like, zilch. There weren't any times when my interests/behavior suddenly changed, and I didn't experience any dissociative episodes either to my knowledge. We also don't experience any amnesia between each other, so that's that too.
Does it mean that I *definitely don't* have a dissociative disorder? No, but so far, I haven't seen any reason to believe that I do. I am open to the possibility though, just in case.
2. I mean, it's hard to say. There are some obvious differences between traumagenic and non-traumagenic systems, like amnesia barriers, communication difficulties, dissociation episodes, uncontrollable switches, and many other things that aren't as common in endogenic spaces.
However, at the same time, I've seen many different folks relate to the experiences of systems from many different origins. Some DID/OSDD systems found really helpful advice in the willogenic community (specifically the Tulpa community, though we personally don't
use the tulpa language), for example, which would be really odd if the experiences
were fundamentally, completely different in every way. Some even realized that they were systems in the first place because of those communities!
I've also seen people describe experiences that I immediately related to despite not sharing the same system origin. If I were to see the same things being talked about when I was still a singlet, however, I don’t think I’d be able to “get it” in the same way. There’s also the possibility that it’s describing something completely different and I’m simply mistaken, though.
3. We're a created system, so yes, I do consider us fully plural. Now, how does the whole thing work brain-wise? At this moment, I have no idea. We really just hope that more research will be done.
4. Well, for one, we don’t experience dissociative amnesia, in the sense that we don’t lose time. I think we may be experiencing some barriers when it comes to emotion, though. For example, when one fronting headmate was in a very bad mood and another switched in, the mood completely disappeared, which surprised us a little. There’s also the body crying or smiling because one headmate near the front was either sad or amused, while the fronting person wasn’t experiencing the same emotions.
Our switches are generally controllable with both parties agreeing to switch with each other, though there was at least one instance when one of us tried to switch and fight for front (nothing serious at all, but worth noting since it was the first time that this had happened). We experience blurriness/identity confusion at times now too, when you’re supposed to be switched in but just don’t fully feel like yourself? Like, your vibe feels off, for lack of a better description. Your voice feels too high or too low and you act in a different way and you just feel like something’s off. There are also times when we wake up as somebody else and we’re like “??? Why am I here, what”.
We can have somebody move the body while another one is fronting, which is sometimes called “possession” in some endo spaces. Basically, you’re A, for example, but headmate B is moving your body and you’re just kind of looking. You can take control back if need to, but still. It sometimes is a little trippy, so we only do it if both parties are comfortable with it.
We didn’t know the term for it before, but our switches feel similar to how some people describe non-possessive switches - basically, it feels like an identity change. Your mannerisms may change, how high your voice is may change, how you think and feel about the world may change, your music taste may change, but it feels like there’s this one consciousness that changes identity. For this reason, we cannot just experience the headspace while somebody else is fronting like we assumed we’d be able to - there’s only one “experiencer” at a time. It’s just a matter of who “the experiencer” is.
We usually can talk to each other - it feels like an inner monologue, except it doesn’t come from you but somebody else. There were times when we just couldn’t reach somebody and were freaked out by it, though. We also don’t hear the talking 24/7 - you usually need to prompt somebody to “wake up” a little for them to respond if they haven’t been active for a bit. With DID/OSDD systems, sudden thought intrusions from another headmate seem to be more common? However, don’t quote us on that.
This already got pretty long, so sorry for that ^^’
Thank you for reading all of that, and for answering our questions! Feel free to ask us something else if you want to or if you’d like us to clarify some things.
hey y'all! this is my dedicated syscourse blog, because I felt like syscourse was taking up too much space on my main.
i am the host of a traumagenic system of 6. our collective name is the Storm System, but the one running this blog is Ray. our alters range in terms of opinions, but we all lean towards anti endo (some, like me, more so than others).
I'm the most opinionated on syscourse and the most common fronter, so I'll probably be the main one posting. I wouldn't be surprised if Grey hopped in sometimes, though, too.
endos and antis alike are welcome to share opinions or debate me. I can't promise I'll agree/not argue, but the reason I bother with syscourse is to learn about other experiences and perspectives, so I will listen and try to understand if nothing else.
I have a tendency to be very strongly opinionated (sometimes to a fault), so if I seriously cross a boundary or am being unnecessarily rude, please do let me know. that being said, though, there is a difference between being actively cruel and expressing a controversial opinion, so while I will do my best to be respectful, I won't soften my opinions for that sake.
tl;dr: discussion/debate welcome, just don't be a total dick and I'll try my best to do the same :P
Hey, endogenic system here: maybe chill a little? Like, being this mean is really unnecessary. It's only natural that people won't believe us yet - there has not been done much research on systems like us and they only have our word for proof.
If you're acting like an a- hole to someone who's open to conversation, then you won't convince anyone. There's ways to argue without putting other people down
Our stance on endogenics.
We are anti-endo, pro-belief, endo-critical and anti-fakeclaiming.
Anti-endo: We don't believe systems can form without trauma.
Pro-belief: If you say you're a system, we will believe you.
Endo-critical: We think the endogenic community is riddled with misinformation and are very critical of it.
Anti-fakeclaiming: We are against people fakeclaiming others.
Pro-belief and anti-fakeclaiming can sometimes be used to mean the same thing, it depends on your exact definitions.
When we say we don't believe in endogenic systems, we are not saying that systems who call themselves endogenic are singlets. We are saying that systems who call themselves endogenic are traumagenic and do not remember their trauma.
We hate that the terms endogenic and traumagenic are used because if you don't remember your trauma, you will most likely mislable yourself as endogenic and get sucked into a whirlpool of misinformation - (pro)endogenic spaces are filled with it - and if you do remember your trauma you will be told to hate on those who say they're endogenic - anti-endogenic spaces are very toxic to endos. (As an anti-endo system ourselves, we completely understand why, but it is still a flaw of the anti-endo community.)
If others share the same views as us, you are more than welcome to reblog our views or link this post as your stance.
TL;DR: All systems are traumagenic, and those who say they're endogenic are traumagenic systems who don't remember their trauma.
Genuinely want to ask, since it's been bothering me for a bit:
If someone posts in the #Plural tag (or variations of it) can they simply add #endos-dni and expect endogenic systems to not respond?
I wouldn't ask this question if they posted it in, say, traumagenic-specific or non-plural system tags (like #multiple, for instance).
However, "Plurality" is explicitly inclusive to both endogenic and traumagenic systems (and others) so is it okay to just exclude us from this tag? That's kind of like going to a household where people with all sorts of blood types live and declaring that only people with A+/- blood type can interact with you. And then getting mad when someone with a different blood type accidentally utters a word in your direction.
We still try to respect DNIs generally but, at this point, this entire thing feels like other people wanting immunity from being disagreed with when they spew all sorts of horrible things about us.
So, would it be okay to simply ignore the DNI on posts tagged with inclusive tags? --- edit:
Thanks for all the responses! Came to the conclusion that trying to defend ourselves would be better spent by leading by good example instead of trying to convince those who already don't want us here to maybe look at our point of view.
We don't like to block much due to the nature of echo chambers that form because of that, but I guess that will be our go-to from now on. Thanks a bunch for the discussion!