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How I Feel About JJK Characters
How I feel about JJK characters
× Gojo - I could fix him
× Geto - he could fix me
× Sukuna - he would understand me
× Uraume - also relatable
× Choso - i used to want him but then I realized that I am him and now I just feel weird
× Hanami - was totally redeemable, and likely felt so awful about humans bc of their exposure to Mahito as a curse born of humans, gave us a bad reputation. Hanami didn't even align ethically with the curses - and might have been in that group to prevent Jogo from burning down the forests. (I have to read the light novels still)
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Hii, I've read your Sukuna analysis alongwith @thepersonperson's analysis and I have to say I like everyone knew he had a very rough past that made him what he is today but the SA part i didn't even think about it with him but it makes so much sense in the nuanced context. And considering he has been with Kenjaku too for god knows at what age and how long it makes me dread at the possibility.
Regardless I'm not so good with words and just wanted to say that your analysis really gave a different and a deeper perspective on his character and really makes me think what if instead of a 15 year old boy he had someone more mature like Nanami (perceptive and a great listener) with him. Could he ever change (ik Sukuna's redemption is the most hated take in the fandom but my simp mind can't help but wonder the what if...)
Also what are your prediction on how his arc and jjk is going to end because i refuse to believe Yuji's last black flash is taking him down(coping)
I'm so glad you got something out of them! Yeah, I'm both dying to know what Kenjaku's past relationship with Sukuna (and the other reincarnated sorcerers) was and dreading it. (Gege has to fill us in on more Heian lore, right? I'm begging).
Anon, you have some great questions, and my tldr JJK ending / Sukuna hope post just came out of the queue, so I'll go more in depth here (and apologize for such a long reply - I tried to keep this short, but apparently have many thoughts).
I think we've had enough irredeemable villains with the curses and curse users like Kenjaku (I really don't see him being given some tragic backstory that makes us understand him, but maybe Kenjaku was so evil without cause that he became like a curse. Same with Haruta and the older ones in Shibuya - they all preyed on the weak, unprovoked). I think that Geto and Sukuna have been misunderstood because we see through the lense that jujutsu society taught us, and I like that. Sukuna deserves his redemption arc, I believe, I want it so bad.
Tbh I've never thought "what if Nanami was the vessel"? I don't think I'm the best person to explore that possibility, nor can I imagine him eating Sukuna's finger (but it would be funny and I'd be down to read someone else's thoughts).
But you have a great point - I'm going to explore this route with Yaga, instead. While I don't know Yaga's past, he is mature and similar to Sukuna in that they put on this cold shell of character, but are very observant and artistic individuals (the quiet creativity of literature and doll-making??). Hell, Sukuna's hobby being eating and Yaga's compulsion to make dolls could both easily stem from loneliness.
I forget whether I've given Yaga his own analysis post, he's super compassionate - from the design of Panda to the use of his cursed corpses in the manga, to help someone overcome by grief (though it's against the rules and he could be in trouble for it), I also feel like the conservative higher ups take issue with visibly queer students, so Yaga admits them to the Tokyo school, pretends not to notice, he makes sure that they're becoming sorcerers for themselves, etc. He's a great listener and you don't even have to say anything.
Plus, with his cursed corpses, Yaga wouldn't even have to eat Sukuna's fingies - he could feed them to a doll. Then Sukuna can have his own body (while I'm not sure whether he could take his true form this way, he told us that he is more comfortable in Megumi's body than his own - he gets to look like any other person, he fits better with clothing, furniture, the way everything is built... Sukuna could design a vessel to look the way he wants to).
If Sukuna were able to incarnate with his own body at first, then he wouldn't have to continue the cycle by repressing another soul (and then feeling gross about it), he would be able to chill and discuss poetry. I think he would still be full of rage at times, and have a lot of emotions and shadow work to process through, but Yaga would listen to Sukuna and find a solution to free him from Kenjaku's plot. (even if Sukuna is under a pact to not discuss certain things, Yaga might be able to figure out what he needs to know).
Or if Yaga had eaten a finger at first, then he wouldn't have just ignored Sukuna - maybe he wouldn't say much, but he would listen. At least have conversations when they were alone. Maybe teach him to make his own cursed corpse and provide it with the fingers they'd find together (I like this AU... Thanks for the idea).
But I have thought that if Megumi were the original vessel, they might have a symbiotic relationship like Hana and Angel. Megumi and Sukuna were both abandoned children, seen first for their differences, their strength, put into a separate category against their will. It was their birthright and they never asked for it.
I rly believe that Kenjaku made sure Yuuji would be the perfect cage psychologically as well - it was important for him to have no emotional understanding of Sukuna, to not be able to relate at all.
Ultimately I hope that Sukuna gets to have his own body, I think that could solve a lot, though he does have a lot to work through and recover from.
I do have fear in my heart from the recent chapter, where there's a frame of Sukuna with white eyes from being hit by Yuuji - it reminds me too much of Mahito in Shibuya, and that better mean nothing. (or maybe it means that we get to see Sukuna's final form, which is fine. Uraume said he's been holding back, after all.)
Something drastic has to happen if there are 4 chapters left and gege mentioned the ending would be satisfying for most people.
So my predictions for JJK ending...
I have 2 routes of predictions, but they could both happen, I guess. A few things listed have already come true. But almost every time I've been right, Gege throws in something unpredictable. I'm trying to finish my 3rd manga read by the next chapter so I can look for clues about the future.
I still can't let go of my cryogenic domain theory (it's not Chosover), or the possibility of time travel - whether to prevent things from happening, or to understand the present better, I can't rule it out.
Oh, and it's not Gojover either. He's the honored one throughout heaven and earth. But especially - the ability to create sugar? That guy Yuuji went to school with... His CT is so random. But who was always eating sugar? Gojo. It always felt like such a massive hint, along with the recent artwork of Gojo, Yuuji and Megumi - all three of them have taken on traits of the one possessing their body. That's why Gojo looks like that, I swear. His brain is just recovering right now. He might show up with Rika, in Yuuta's body.
I'm not confident in predicting these things, but I'd like for them to happen...
Shiu Kong hasn't been seen in a long time. Not since Geto took over the cult. We know very little about Shiu, but he was Toji's friend for 10 years, knew Megumi when he was little, used to be a detective, and is a Korean citizen. So whether he moved to Korea, or awakened some CT, or decided to figure out what was going on in Japan... I don't know, I just think it would be neat to see what he's doing, to have him be the one to tell Megumi about his father. He knew Toji the best, and Gege liked his character.
Gege did say that the end is satisfying, and I forgot about Mei, so if anyone has to die then I really hope she's the one. I don't see how this would happen, unless by Geto's hands.
Geto could return - Gojo said he would have been satisfied if Geto were there with him. Gojo is coming back, and bringing him along. I've been long hoping for Geto's return - Sukuna grew Yuuji a new heart, so maybe Geto's brain can return as well. Then he might have access to Kenjaku's memories, and a thousand years of jujutsu knowledge would be good for them (I was so stressed at finding out Yuuta did not make a pact with and revive Kenjaku for this reason). I also thought that Yuuta was the type to bring Geto's body back, especially when Gojo wanted to mourn it. Since we know he can basically teleport those who he's copied, it seems even more likely. I'm of the belief that the airport is not Gojo's hallucination - how would he know Haibara visited Nanami? (unless they were so close that it was obvious this would happen...)
I'll end with some hope for us Sukuna simps - the first episode was called Ryomen Sukuna, not Yuuji Itadori. Details like that had rumors going that Sukuna is really the main character of Jujutsu Kaisen, so... Maybe... (I hope it really is all about him).
Edit to add: Gojo will become Sukuna's vessel
Yap part II got me thinking about more things uwu (I'm going to assume you've caught up on the reading linked however it will probably make sense if you didn't?
Content warning for SA topics
Cursed energy
Choso
Sukuna
((alternative methods to reduce cursed energy))
In reference to the SA statistics mentioned above (how it affects far more people than natural disasters, etc)
Reducing cursed energy doesn't mean eliminating non-sorcerers. A lot of curses could be avoided just by focusing on sex ed, consent, preventing these crimes from happening in the first place.
In addition to the weird, gropey curses, there were others from overworked employees, stressed students, and insecure children repeat things like "bento box" and "what time is it" and "no fair" etc.
But God, if cursed energy is from negative emotions, then why not address the causes of negative emotions?
Losing sleep and working to death for companies - I think Nanami's time as a salaryman taught him that jobs in general, not just as a sorcerer, are going to prey on the emoloyees' bodies. We all joke about how he looks 45 years old and is younger than Gojo, still in his 20s - the dude doesn't have RCT and the stress of work made him look like that, I swear. If Gojo weren't constantly running RCT, he'd look just as bad I think, maybe even worse.
The problems with jujutsu society in general are that they don't treat the cause, but only address the symptoms as a problem. And that they benefit the most, those who exploit others, often children.
If everyone has a better quality of life, safer environment, then curses would become fewer and weaker. But no one in power would push for that idea.
I want to elaborate a bit on Choso.
He accused Kenjaku of toying with his mother - with such anger - it felt like he was there, aware, watching it happen from his test tube.
And @thepersonperson mentioned Choso's guilt over the way he involuntarily repressed the original soul when he incarnated into some random guy's body. Choso gained knowledge of the modern world through that, but he isn't aware of anything about him, or his memories. It's like his soul is no longer there at all.
Choso is sensitive. He's very compassionate, emotional, and he is not afraid to change his mind, to admit that he was wrong, or to cry (he had tear stains immediately, like that's an integral part of his being). He holds himself responsible for his mistakes (even if he couldn't have known better).
Choso feels the need to justify his own existence (much like Yuuji after the shibuya incident) because his life is a product of rape - from both kenjaku and the curse that assaulted his mother.
People in his situation suffer from that awareness. It's easy to feel dirty, disgusting, unworthy of human decency or any kind of love. Not to mention that Choso's dad, half of him, is a curse. We all say that Kenjaku is Choso's father, and that's kind of true, but all he did was mix his blood in. Another layer of fucked up when you wonder what the real Noritoshi Kamo would feel about this. I believe that Kenjaku sought out his body specifically to run these abortion experiments. He needed to use blood manipulation for this to work (I'm assuming it also played a role in keeping Choso's mother alive through all of this, because abortions were more dangerous than childbirth with the methods used back then - though maybe it's different with a curse involved).
Still, Kenjaku is considered their parent - no one ever says "🤓 Um, actually" about this. He is granted the role of parenthood despite doing nothing to earn it, except for committing horrid acts of violence for his own curiosity.
It seemed weird, but he is responsible for their existence - the death painting wombs are only there because of what he's done.
It's less weird when I realize this is what certain rape victims have to live with - their abuser being accepted by society, by their family, as the parent. As a title that assumes responsibility, love and care. How sickening.
Yet, the death painting wombs were all locked away in the cursed warehouse - assumed to carry the evil of their father, these objects were feared and placed under a pact. They hadn't even incarnated yet, but were already demonized by the sins of their father. (this phenomenon is seen in real life as well, I don't have the heart to elaborate)
And Choso felt guilt for not only the way he was conceived and incarnated, but for allying with the curses and killing Yuuji. Though he forgives his brothers easily, he doesn't seem to ever forgive himself, like he's afraid that (albeit accidental) tragedy and violence are biologically placed in his fingertips, because his father and kenjaku live on in him.
As much as we want Choso to accept his right to live, he feels most at peace when he's able to sacrifice himself for his brothers (which is kind of ironic bc they're in the same situation, yet Choso doesn't see them as dirty or obscene). He seems to feel that he is alive to pay for his fathers' crimes.
Sukuna

This quote ^ got me thinking that, yeah, when he first appeared it was ugly. He made a horrible first impression. Sukuna came out craving violence, he wanted to lash out, he had anger to release.
Also I read through the lyrics of s(aint), the song Gege chose for Sukuna. It makes a lot more sense now than it did before I had caught up on the manga. It's also interesting that Marilyn Manson was a victim of csa from his neighbor, an older kid who liked to play "prison" (as in, he played this off as a game). This guy went on to kill his dog (that had heterochromia) with poison (sukuna's immunity to poisons). I read his autobiography when I was 15. It was disturbing and I don't recommend it. I doubt any other similarities between mm and sukuna are worth mentioning. The book is called the long hard road out of hell, and Sukuna was inspired by a deity of hell. Both of them are victims of abuse who continue its cycle. I think it also mentioned finding human bones in a graveyard, grinding them and smoking it, just to see what would happen which feels Kenjaku-coded.
Idk if this is too much of a crack theory to belong with my JJK ending predictions
But I'm assuming that Uraume has been leading Hakari to understand Sukuna (continued from when we saw them last).
If Sukuna would make a cursed corpse (I'm sure he's capable of it, he's been learning a lot from observing others) then we can just feed that plushie (or statue or whatever it is) the fingies.
Sukuna gets his own body and can chill.
Everything is fine. (ideas linked above solve the other problems)
This aged well
EXCHANGE EVENT foreshadowing [manga spoiler warning further down, anime onlies ur safe for now] there are probably a million more that I didn't save, but at some point it just feels trivial and endless.
the shibuya arc:
Gojo got locked out of the barrier, everyone else could go in // Gojo getting sealed in the prison realm
Mahito gathering objects from the cursed warehouse for kenjaku // Mahito evolving into his final form, for kenjaku to absorb
Gojo walking over the ants but not crushing them bc infinity // walking over people in the station. You could even say Gakuganji telling Yaga to do something about Gojo // criminalizing any attempt to free him from the prison realm
![EXCHANGE EVENT Foreshadowing [manga Spoiler Warning Further Down, Anime Onlies Ur Safe For Now] There](https://64.media.tumblr.com/33422e9d7b767678d0be6c8373284ae9/43b5de89aca3c8f8-37/s500x750/4032a865dfd51d37d4e8935eb020c78f779cf204.jpg)
Todo coming for Yuuji, then taking his side, getting false memories, calling him brother // same thing with Choso.
![EXCHANGE EVENT Foreshadowing [manga Spoiler Warning Further Down, Anime Onlies Ur Safe For Now] There](https://64.media.tumblr.com/2e99d6dc525209abec2add19b9282cf5/43b5de89aca3c8f8-b5/s500x750/82574e6b7b62bf5d98ac1d1150d5660036373269.jpg)
![EXCHANGE EVENT Foreshadowing [manga Spoiler Warning Further Down, Anime Onlies Ur Safe For Now] There](https://64.media.tumblr.com/505b00b7fa484857ba371cf73c924c9a/43b5de89aca3c8f8-e0/s500x750/dfb19959797f86e0b64fdb31bebad38d8b83d7e2.jpg)
That was such a big clue he was working w Mahito tbh, BUT in the exchange event and shibuya arc, Mechamaru fell apart and had to be replaced with a machine. It was still helpful, but had to be utilized by the other sorcerers.
![EXCHANGE EVENT Foreshadowing [manga Spoiler Warning Further Down, Anime Onlies Ur Safe For Now] There](https://64.media.tumblr.com/b75453478646a21e9fec0d1ba3222487/43b5de89aca3c8f8-53/s500x750/86fc82f8a27ffee37d5a4a030952579c262a2c05.jpg)
![EXCHANGE EVENT Foreshadowing [manga Spoiler Warning Further Down, Anime Onlies Ur Safe For Now] There](https://64.media.tumblr.com/727388b6e4026f5eae59625b60433881/43b5de89aca3c8f8-dd/s500x750/8ad33fa07a348192a8756a109db588efac2a28a7.jpg)
Nobara got hit the same way when she got the concussion, and Nishimiya's speech about having a scarred face is one of many reasons why I believe Nobara to still be alive.
![EXCHANGE EVENT Foreshadowing [manga Spoiler Warning Further Down, Anime Onlies Ur Safe For Now] There](https://64.media.tumblr.com/82f5e8cebd0903582a899dc1a48a3566/43b5de89aca3c8f8-46/s500x750/c256434a667472835c6f734211569b20d38b3a8b.jpg)
Maki took Miwa's katana // Miwa lost her ability to weild one by the pact she made against Kenjaku.
![EXCHANGE EVENT Foreshadowing [manga Spoiler Warning Further Down, Anime Onlies Ur Safe For Now] There](https://64.media.tumblr.com/6490e1a0c3c34fa2eb42a5f24b3b03b3/43b5de89aca3c8f8-47/s500x750/1fda5f6d541cf0d5fec64451fc3a4e0a4da6e03d.jpg)
Megumi summoning a shikigami that he could only use once
Even their injuries were very similar (though not everyone's), I see it most in Fushiguro and in the blood on Yuuji's face where he gets scars later, Panda's cores, and ofc Mechamaru.
things that happen after the shibuya arc (spoilers ahead if u don't read the manga)
After the veil went down, Gojo split the earth (hollow purple Hanami) // after the prison realm opened, Gojo caused a fucking earthquake
Noritoshi Kamo striking out bc he never swings the bat, he just stands there talking to Yuuji and doesn't even wear a helmet, though his head is covered in bandages // Noritoshi not getting involved against Sukuna, planning to flee with his family, but staying to teach Yuuji about blood manipulation CT.
Possibly a reach but Maki let Megumi use playful cloud // Toji took it from Maki
Also Maki losing her glasses against Hanami // no longer needing them