Man, I Would Not Want Be A Civilian In BNHA Right Now, Since The Top 3 Heroes Are More Concerned About

Man, I would not want be a civilian in BNHA right now, since the top 3 heroes are more concerned about dealing with Dabi, who made a video making them look bad, than they are about AFO who liberated 7 prisons with only some help from a couple nomu.

No problem it was a pretty long post anyways =) The abuse apologism in the fanbase is honestly gigantic, it is frightening.

And thank you for answering and clearing it up, because as you said, it did read it as a writing issue.

And this fandom is known for sending death threats which is under no circumstances okay, so I tend to be very cautious about talking to people about the story, but you sounded reasonable and I was curious about a different viewpoint on the topic.

Because I luckly have no history of family abuse, so it is something I am not exprienced with and it’s interesting to get some insight about a topic from someone with knowledge about it. Not that I would anybody to have experienced any kind of abuse but the world is often pretty shitty and it’s important to see the side of those who are actually affected by it.

I think on some degree a lot of fans did get through the beginning where bnha seemed rather basic in the regards of who is good and who is bad, more a black and white story before it developed into the complex work that exists now.

And this is after all not some kids show where at the end of the episode we get a person saying: and the moral of the story is...

So it’s a lot of thinking between the lines and greyness within characters, which I absoluty love from a writing perspective, but it does give the way to have characters that hit a little to close to home. That are so close to real people we know that it hurts.

For me that would be someone like Catelyn Stark in asoiaf, because her treatment of Jon Snow constantly reminds me of my own family issues. That doesn’t make her a bad character, but it makes me uncomfortable everytime I read her chapters and Jon comes up.

And (correct me if I am wrong) I suppose with you (or other abuse victims) it goes a similar way, that the topic hit’s a little to close to home and you are reminded on what the real world is like and your own issues.

That of course shows good writing, but it does dull the experience in a very personal way.

And since I read through the leak summary (303), I can definitly say that some characters I’d like to punch in the face or at least send to a therapist, but it still atones to good and consistent character writing.

As the story as a whole, we don’t have an ending yet but since the topic of a dysfunctional societal system is increadibly big, especially in the current ark, I think he does definitly not apologize abuse and shows that those characters who do support Endevour no matter what are part of the problem of said society, as they are so deeply rooted in it, they don’t even see the problem.

So I am rather postiv that this won’t turn into:” it’s ok as long as you decide to get better” and more of the realsitic somber tone of: “you should always try to better yourself, but this will never erase the past”.

Thanks for the answer and the insight of the topic, have a great night (at least it’s night here in Germany).

i am so ready to just drop the mha manga. i hate how much i care about the todoroki’s (save enji) because if i didn’t care so much about them i would be long fucking gone from this hell hole. the abuse apologism never fucking stops. it would be one thing if it was just the fans because that’s always gonna happen ive seen it happen with every piece of media ever involving abuse but the fact that the abuse apologism is in the actual story itself? while also trying to convince you it’s NOT abuse apologism? it’s fucking exhausting. i hate it here.

It would also really work with Spinner’s general ark. He went from someone who was simply inspired by Stain to do something (and saving Deku by blindly following what he knew about Stain) to someone who really wanted to know what Tomura’s goal was and after Deika he chose to support Tomura because he belived in him, not Stain and definitely not AFO really just and only Tomura is the one he chose to follow.

And it’s not just a leader/follower dynamic, through his interaction with AFO we know that they spend their free time together specifically talking about free time interests. AFO sees Spinner only as Tomuras loyal follower, but Spinner and Shigaraki are friends, something AFO neither knows nor values.

And something Deku very much knows and values instead. (I could also see Bakugo being part of this, considering his character ark of making friends and valuing others.)

Aside from Dabi the mayor League of Villain members are very much a found family, they protect and avenge their friends and are willing to die for each other.  

When Overhaul killed Magne, Compress went right at him and so did Tomura and they immediately took care of Compress. Pretty much everything Twice does (especially for Toga) is incredibly heroic towards his friends and teammates, of course it ending with his death after in the end saving Compress and Toga. And Compress literally tore pieces out of himself to get them to safety and buy them time.

And those are typically heroic traits that the League of Villains have, which ties in with the real point of the series as you put it so nicely, they aren’t AFO evil, they are humans too. And while they did some terrible things, they also genuinely care for each other, just like Deku and his friends do.

When Bakugo got kidnapped they straight up went to save him, no matter the consequences for them if it meant saving him.

Deku values qualities like that in humans and since he said that he would want to be able to stop people from becoming villains in the first place he clearly doesn’t see them like society where they are some form or irredeemable monster. I mean at the very beginning a pickpocket gets called the bane of society by Kamui Woods, like it’s on the same level as people like Moonfish a literal cannibal or Muscual who said himself that he wants to use his quirk to kill.

I wouldn’t even be surprised if an ark like this occurred and Compress or even Re-Destro would be part of the defeat AFO group for that reason, because the people who follow Tomura for anything he did post Kamino are not there for AFO and only for Tomura himself.

They do that because they believe in him and genuinely want to help him achieve his goals.

And while Deku certainly does not want to achieve Tomura’s goals he definitely doesn’t want AFO to achieve his. He wants to save Tomura and he has greater chances at going so by getting help from those who want to help Tomura aswell, his friends/followers/companions that are there for him and not AFO.

And Spinner as the only who’s the most loyal to Tomura, he spend free time with him and grew to actually like him. Spinner doesn’t use Tomura for his goals, Tomura is in a way his goal, unlike AFO, who is referring to people as chess pieces (it doesn’t matter if Tomura is the king, the king is still a chess piece and well, if you lose your king you lose the game).

Also Spinner clearly values and knows that Tomura values the League, as he points out that Compress and Toga aren’t with them and AFO shuts him down, since AFO just sees them as chess pieces he can move, whereas Tomura valued his companions (they can have what they want, save Giran, get Compress some sushi, no matter what Tomura thinks about his companions and wants them to have something good for themselves).

And the combination of Deku seeing the human side in villains combined with a villain who from his background as a Stain follower does believe that a true hero exists, Spinner might be willing to work with him as long as it meant saving Tomura.

A rant? BNHA SPOILERS - 306

We’re talking about Toga and Deku meeting, but may I introduce Spinner and Deku meeting up too?

We see Spinner acknowledging that Shigaraki isn’t ‘home’ by saying that “you’re not the one I chose to follow”. He looked so disturbed by AFO speaking through Shiggy and I just. He wants his bro back. I can totally see Spinner leaving the League to find Toga maybe, and then meeting up with Deku to save Shigaraki all together?

I can see that it would really upset Deku’s classmates, maybe make the police/heroes/public wonder if he’s really become a vigilante or even a villain. The public is so distrusting towards heroes atm, and I can’t imagine it getting any better through the time skip.

BUT! All I want now is having a bunch of people coming together to beat AFO, regardless of being a civilian/hero/vigilante/villain. I think it’d be cliche, but like, a real point of the series? That no matter who you are and what your quirk (or lack of a quirk) you can be a good person and a hero who fights for a better world.

And if Deku revealed everything about OFA and that he was quirkless, that could mean so much to other quirkless or quirks that aren’t glorified or considered ‘good’ by society. despite the big flashy quirks, he also got the brunt of societies dislike for those who don’t fit the ‘right’ mold. A hero that understands that society needs to change to help others. And while Deku will be the one fighting the big fight, cause yknow. How it is. I can just totally see a bunch of people helping him from the background or stopping AFO’s forces from stopping Deku before he can get to AFO and Shigaraki. Yep.

I think this might have to do with a couple of factors. Fuyumi got the least abuse directly, she didn’t have to train like Toya and Shoto and she didn’t get the alienation for her looks from Rei like Natsuo and Shoto did and she didn’t get physically assaulted like Rei. She mostly got stuck with getting neglected by her father and having to watch her father abuse other family members physically and Toya did not talk to her about his inner feelings like he did to Natsuo. And that is of course abuse, none of this should happen to any child, but she seemed to have more of  a childhood than any other Todoroki child, so she is the most likely to forgive their abuser than any other family member. Fuyumi became a teacher, she has shown to be a very forgiving nature for the sake of  the hopeful note of things changeing for the better. Image a: “forgive your friend because he stole your toy and apologized because he means it” background for years of adulthood. Of course this isn’t the same as fogiving your abuser, but this mentality will get through to you if you spend years by teaching it to children.

Fuyumi was a child when most of the abuse happend, she does not have a objective opinion on this. Shoto doesn’t realise he’s been abused yet because he was in the middle of it, he might have thought that it was normal. And Fuyumi getting the least abused might not think she was abused at all.

I think she lacks the understanding of the inner thoughts and experiences her brothers have. Natuso is privy to Toyas toughts and Shoto begins to understand what happend to Toya (noting that he could have become like him if it wasn’t for Midoria) faster because he shared a good portion of the same abuse from their father but Fuyumi doesn’t have any of that.

As a child she couldn’t understand why Toya wanted to train so much because she was never born with an agenda of becoming a pro hero. Natuso and Shoto were born because Toyas qurik wasn’t what Endevour wanted. Fuyumi was born because they thought another child would be good to have around (not a good reason to have a child either, but it’s longs better than breeding the perfect kid), she didn’t have that intense pressure that her siblings had, because she fullfilled her family position as Endevour thought of it.

So I think she just generally lacks understanding the situation because of her position and involvement in it, so she can’t care or respect her brothers feelings because she can’t understand them. They are all to involved into the situation to get an objective view and Fuyumi works with her teacher coping mechanism of forgive and forget because that seems to work for her but she can’t understand that it doesn’t work for others.

That said, I’d love to see the Todoroki siblings and their mother going to help Toya while Hawks and Jeanist try to kill him and Endevour landing on his ass once again realising that his colleagues are out to kill his son instead of helping him, you know like a real hero should.

I’ve been severely disappointed in how Rei has been wrote too 😫 I would think a mother would want to stand by her child more than the husband who made the household toxic with his abuse & neglect 🤷‍♀️ what’s disappointed you about Fuyumi? I know it really disappointed me with her giving Shouto’s number to Endeavor like ‘damn that’s rude’! But what’s disappointed you?

Overall, I just find it annoying that all this time Fuyumi has been the person that supposedly wants the whole family to be together and happy and all of that, but I haven’t seen her have that energy with Touya?

Her brothers obviously don’t want to be around Endvr, yet she often convinces them to have dinner together. She simply doesn’t respect their feelings and while a pacifist approach is great in a lot of situations, trying to remain neutral or whatever does more harm than good here.

So far, I just haven’t seen her show any signs of actually caring about her brothers’ feelings and respecting them, and it’s just disappointing to have so many characters be all talk but nothing more. Idk, maybe in the future, she will understand that she should take a side - that of her brothers and not Endvr - but so far she seems to want to remain neutral, which is the same as siding with Endvr and being against her brothers, especially Dabi.

I wonder how many people have a revival quirk and just never find out because they are normal human being and don’t come across dead people all the time? Or will we get someone who can revive and is naturally drawn to dead people like people with blood quirks are drawn to blood?

I just had to laugh at your post, Spinner is my favourite character and you clearly like the guy too, but I guess you’re not a manga reader, since chapter 220:

Pretty sure he’d killing you if you said he’s a different species.

Imagine: Being Spinner's species and him falling for you after seeing you for the first time