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312 is out and still no raws and this is still driving me mad.

White I wouldn’t call AFO completly one-dimensional because we know quiet little of him aside from being an evil overlord that wants to be an even bigger evil overlord and is a complete dick to his brother he is a villain more inclined with the likes of Muscular - he does what he wants, sees no wrong in that because he likes what he’d doing and he won’t be stopped by means of reasoning/saving like the League could be. He wasn’t wronged by a society that needs to change, he used it for his goals.

I do agree with your interpretation of Endevours ark going forward, he is taking steps for redeeming himself and while he definitly isn’t there yet and he still has so much to learn and self-reflect and take complete responsibility for what he did his ark does work towards that, which as you put it so well is sadly not usually something that happens in the real world.

And I love the take on the “I am Legend” (never watched, I don’t want to see the dog die, but now I have a nice summary.) version of Endevour’s self-realization that would fit his ark really well and is a healthier take on abuse than version that keep Endevour in the family. And since I am a sucker of people staying alive and living with the consequences of what they have done, I’d prefer a Enji finally takes responsibility for what he’s done without any blame-shifting and removes himself from the family by choice rather than death.

So I hope you are right because it is a very good and healthy take on this very complicated topic.

Anybody who has acess to raw scans and knowledge about Japanese to be of any help, because the translations of bnha 311 are saying very different things:

This is the first translation, where I want to point out the line about never stopping to smile and something missing in his soul are directed at AFO.

And Endevour clearly asks a question, which in japanese is indicated through a parcel, so if something is a question it should be obvious to see.

But then the other translation sais that the one with extra hatred is Shigaraki , same with the person that doesn’t stop laughing/smiling.

Which would make perfect sense to talk about Tomura because he is always smiling/ laughing, which can’t be said for AFO, the guy barely shows what is left of his face and none of them have any knowledge about AFO always laughing/smiling.

It would on the other hand make sense for AFO to have no hatred, but rather emptiness inside of him, but then the translation to laughing seems off. Wouldn’t it be rather something along the lines of laughing on the inside, thinking he is going to win no matter what (I lack the english word for what I mean right now.).

And Endevour isn’t asking a question here too, he is making a statement.

I can get behind differences like laughing/smiling or missing his soul/lack of heart, but there is a huge difference who they are talking about and Endevours statement/question about the person’s sould/heart.

I definitly have different opinions on Hawks, but it’s mostly what his next moves are really going to determ what way he will go down for me, so I’ll wait for my final predection with him.

I am buying the part that Endevour wants to redeem himself but for the wrong reasons and with the wrong means and he still hasn’t taken credit for the pain he caused considering his on going blame-shifting during the flash-backs.

But to let go as you phrased it from especially Shoto, the dreamchild just the one he wanted to make would be definitly the biggest part of removing himself from his family.

It’s not that hard to remove yourself from people you already mostly removed yourself from, even Dabi to an extend but Shoto was the one he wanted for his goals and kept inserting himself in Shoto’s live even if Shoto didn’t want that, so letting go of his version of a family with Shoto is defintly the biggest step for Endevour.

And with Dabi it’s less a removal from his live and more a finally seeing him and importantly admitting without blame-shifting what he did (and then removing him from his live).

I mean I would love to see a point where Endevour admits to Dabi that it is only his fault and nothing else to give Toya the attention from his father he carved after being neglected but that would be a really long way to go for him. And I’d like to see Dabi’s reaction to something like this, if Endevour can still get away without legal consequences it would still not be enough for him, but to actually finally admit his fault would probably do Dabi some good.

As I said I personally prefer a alive and lives with consequences take because while they are harder to do, they also usually are more based in reality adn the moment where you can make a real change from the messy real world and make a statement.

And for Endevour to atone in a way that actually helps his family he’s one of the few people where I can see a prison sentece being a solution because in actual Japan child abuse is up to ten years. And if you do that to 4 children and your wife it’s probably not going to get less. And if any members of the Todoroki family would want contact with him they could go to him on their own accords but never his.

So while I don’t think it’s necessairly ending this way, I’love to see Endevour admitting his faults complelty to the public and getting a legal sentece for it with no he’s a pro hero so he gets a free pass (that they still might offer, systems take a while to completly change) and remove himself from their lives in way he can’t break.

Anybody who has acess to raw scans and knowledge about Japanese to be of any help, because the translations of bnha 311 are saying very different things:

This is the first translation, where I want to point out the line about never stopping to smile and something missing in his soul are directed at AFO.

And Endevour clearly asks a question, which in japanese is indicated through a parcel, so if something is a question it should be obvious to see.

But then the other translation sais that the one with extra hatred is Shigaraki , same with the person that doesn’t stop laughing/smiling.

Which would make perfect sense to talk about Tomura because he is always smiling/ laughing, which can’t be said for AFO, the guy barely shows what is left of his face and none of them have any knowledge about AFO always laughing/smiling.

It would on the other hand make sense for AFO to have no hatred, but rather emptiness inside of him, but then the translation to laughing seems off. Wouldn’t it be rather something along the lines of laughing on the inside, thinking he is going to win no matter what (I lack the english word for what I mean right now.).

And Endevour isn’t asking a question here too, he is making a statement.

I can get behind differences like laughing/smiling or missing his soul/lack of heart, but there is a huge difference who they are talking about and Endevours statement/question about the person’s sould/heart.

I am as I said still waiting out with what he does now, but the framing of Twice death really put him in an Icarus framing, someone flying too high and ending up dead. (Also works really well with Dabi burning his wings.)

It is psychologically extremely interesting that he still sees Twice as a friend, even though they never were friends. He used Twice to get information and started his first killing hit once Twice didn’t want to be saved the way Hawks wanted him to and he did that by using Twice mental instability. That is the opposite of saving someone, that is abusing someone. (Of course Hawks had good reasoning but it doesn’t make the practice he used any better, which Hawks as you said does realize.)

And what he does with this underlying part of: I want to be free, I want to help my friends now that the commission isn’t up and running I actually have a choice is going to be very telling.

On the other hand he (and Best Jeanist) obviously only see what they think is right without questioning the reasoning of the LoV, seen though Dabi because it doesn’t align with their world view that they (especially Hawks) were born into.

This non-understanding of Dabi (why did he do this? We don’t understand, even though Dabi made a whole essay about it and Endevour confessed) and non-understanding of Twice (still calling him his friend, thinking Twice would betray his actual friends) would need to go away for him to get on a path of light.

But his treatment in the hospital room with Shoto was so off for me, so nonchalantly asking if Endevour burned Shoto’s face, as if he hadn’t made it clear that he was going to be on Endevour’s side either way really shows that Hawks needs to change a lot to see other things than his previously established opinions.

Hawks would definitely need to see Endevour as an abuser to really learn. Endevour is his focus point when it comes to heroes, which makes perfect sense given his backstory, but him putting Endevour on a pedestal is what is wrong with the whole hero society. They become symbols and signs and aren’t seen as people anymore, so they can’t do any wrong. And Endevour even confirmed Dabi’s story, so the next step for Hawks in a healthy way would be to acknowledge this dark side of Endevour instead of pushing it under the rug of: he wants to change, that is everything I need to know. Because it isn’t everything, if it was there would be no situation where Dabi can cause huge destruction to hero society with a video.

Which is why I am going to wait for a final judgement with what Hawks does next. It is rather critical for his character.

If he remains with his established opinions that led him to justifying the murder of Twice and being ride-or-die for Endevour no matter what Endevour did he’s part of the faulty society that needs to be changed by the end of the series.

But if he sees his own and Edevour’s faults he has room to grow and be a better person. Not be Icarus but rather turn around and fly back to earth before it is too late. That would mean he had a place in the new world after society is destroyed.

Of course because of his past he has a really hard time of letting go what the commission trained him to be, this established coding he has and I hope though Lady Nagant we’ll see more of those issues which could for example lead though Deku asking questions and we’d get a sign of what way Hawks storyline will go aswell.

In any version I can see Hawks want to fly free ending with him not having his wings anymore. Because Symbolism is cool and it works really well if you wings growing out of your back.

I just thought of Digimon Season 3 (my favorite, so sad though) and if you haven’t seen it here are heavy spoilers (and also it’s amazing, go watch it) the character Belzemon has a redemption ark during which he absorbs the Leomon of one of the children (and in season 3 Digimon they actually died) said child got captured and after Belzemon redeemed himself he used Leomon’s signature attack to break her free. And I could see a Toga/Hawks dynamic with this as a way to go. Fulfilling Twice wish for Toga to be save, something a hero would want: a little ill girl saved from the people who came to hurt her by a hero, as Twice did to Toga twice. But that is utter fan speculation with no actual basis; I just think that would be cool.

In general I don’t think there is a way this series ends without a compromise between the different side just because both do have their points that are important, but the general society that will come is said compromise. The hero’s aren’t wrong with wanting the lived of people save and the villains aren’t wrong with their want to change society and both sides definitely aren’t wrong with the want to use your quirk that is literally your body.

But how exactly is going to take a bit more time to unpack, also because there are some things we don’t have enough in-universe knowledge about yet., let alone Deku.

(Lady Nagant rat’s out hero issues to Deku please!)

I mean, I’d like a Endevour in prison ending, but I also doubt it. I can see him going for a self-sacrifice, which I hope doesn’t happen because then he looks too heroic again to save his kids and I doubt that it would help Dabi and this series is very much about helping and saving people.

For a time I had the notion that Best Jeanist and Twice were down to kill Dabi and Endevour would end up going against them, which I can still to some degree see, but that was mostly based on Twice death (“to prevent damage”) and Best Jeanist strangling Spinner (and Tomura, but I can’t blame him for that, they were literally in the middle of a crater that used to be a town) and has mellowed out more as the chapters went on, very much due to me not knowing shit about Best Jeanist’s thoughts on killing.

In order for the Todoroki’s to really cut ties with Endevour on their accord they’d also need to realize how much they were abused. They agree that Toya was abused, but Shoto and Natuso both definitely don’t see that they were abused aswell. And that again would be a long way to get there from the point the story is.

But I keep wishing for now with the information I have that Endevour will end up in prison and Hawks to land on his ass and really come to term with what he did to Twice and both to learn their lesson completly.

But on any instance that is a long way to go.

Anybody who has acess to raw scans and knowledge about Japanese to be of any help, because the translations of bnha 311 are saying very different things:

This is the first translation, where I want to point out the line about never stopping to smile and something missing in his soul are directed at AFO.

And Endevour clearly asks a question, which in japanese is indicated through a parcel, so if something is a question it should be obvious to see.

But then the other translation sais that the one with extra hatred is Shigaraki , same with the person that doesn’t stop laughing/smiling.

Which would make perfect sense to talk about Tomura because he is always smiling/ laughing, which can’t be said for AFO, the guy barely shows what is left of his face and none of them have any knowledge about AFO always laughing/smiling.

It would on the other hand make sense for AFO to have no hatred, but rather emptiness inside of him, but then the translation to laughing seems off. Wouldn’t it be rather something along the lines of laughing on the inside, thinking he is going to win no matter what (I lack the english word for what I mean right now.).

And Endevour isn’t asking a question here too, he is making a statement.

I can get behind differences like laughing/smiling or missing his soul/lack of heart, but there is a huge difference who they are talking about and Endevours statement/question about the person’s sould/heart.

Hawks to Endevour: I want you to be my dad! Toya, Natsuo & Shoto: No you don’t!

I think in general with the fact that this is shonen and the theme is heroism that the stones for character growth towards making up for your mistakes in some way are definitly given for almost everyone.

On the other hand there are characters that don’t necessarily need redemptions from a storytelling point because they haven’t done anything “evil enough” to the protagonists or their friends (Spinner and Compress would fall into that category).

Or those who are content with who they are and don’t have issues with the way they are, like Muscular or AFO. That is not a story place for redemption and more how can we deal with someone like this in a heroic way. (And it is not locking them up the way they were locked up because it obviously wasn’t a good long term solution.)

But Endevour is definitely on the other end of that spectrum of someone with a (formerly) good reputation that needs to make up for his mistakes. So I am expecting more growth there from a storytelling perspective considering he already started his way there and the fact that he is a pov character.

Your Black Panther reference is pretty much exactly how I’d put it in terms of how the story will progress.

I think Yokumiru Mera is a very good early on the hero’s side of the flawed system, we get very hit into the fact with the societal issues from the villain povs but the hero’s side are more subtle, just like the kids would see them.

The framing from HK is very much like that for all issues. Asui tells the viewers early on that mutant type quirks with less human features are something that make your life harder, but Asui has a cool quirk that can make up for it. Spinner on the other hand hits us in the face with there are legit mutant KKK and they want to kill me, mutant is called a slur and I have a weak af quirk that won’t make me seen as “useful” by society.  

Which reminds me heavily towards ableism in the real world. Disabled people who are conveniently attractive get praised for their bravery of existing and showing their face as a model or actor but society itself is still bothered by disabled people who meet different needs than the most common one, which any disabled person knows means that getting the help you need to live your life is hard in most places, impossible in some.

And bnha has this with quirks: those who look different can “make up for it” with a cool quirk like Asui or Gang Orca, but if you have a strong mutant quirk appearance on top of a weak quirk you’ll get bullied, have a worse chance at jobs or even get attacked like the tall lady in the recent chapters.

Which also blends in with your part about people slipping through the cracks (which was very nice btw), if so many people can slip through the cracks why are only a certain part of them seen as human?

I have nothing to add about you All Might –Endevour foil it’s perfect the way it is.

And my stupid brain decided to focus on the writing of women in bnha instead (and because it is the one of the big issue I have in general with the manga, where I can’t say I have to wait until the end to truly make a statement).

I generally don’t think that any character in bnha is “unproblematic pure” they all have their issues or are underdeveloped / side characters with not enough arks to make an actual statement about them.

But because this is shonen we have way more male characters. And HK is someone who can actually make really great characters, gender aside so I don’t see any reason why the ratio from female/male characters is so low. I mean it’s not Dragonball low, but even Naruto had at least a 3-1 ration, bnha has less than 1-5 and that is low.

The female characters we do have are all very different in the way they are and I don’t think any reader would complain if there were more female characters, especially considering that the costumes being so sexy is literally discussed in universe so there is a “good” excuse why they are walking around like this. Uraraka literally said that her own design wasn’t so sexy but the costume makers made it tighter.

I like that is was addressed in general that hero costumes need functionality and Midnight and Creati both wanted to show more skin for practical reasons that would help in a fight but weren’t allowed to.

On the other hand Uraraka who should have a costume that would allow her to land safely something cushioning all around her would make way more sense instead of skin tight stuff.

So obviously the costume designers of this world have the sex sells in mind even with children and while I don’t think it will be addressed as an issue itself that this is a very strong female problem (no one tells Fat Gum to keep slim because his quirk would be useless that way, but he’d look more conveniently attractive I do think it is just going to be part of a dismantlement of hero society that this will go away because a true hero is more about practicality than looks.

So I really see no reason why we have so little women, but at least they are all really cool and different from one another.

Sadly the villains only have Magne, Toga, La Brava, Lady Nagant and Curious and two of them are already dead.  You’d think in a society like this more women would join the “evil side”.

So when discussing the women of bnha they are held to higher expectations because we have way less.

And I think that really shows with Rei and how a part of the fandom is pushing more and more blame on her than Enji. Enji himself has an issue with shifting the blame about Toya on others, mostly Toya himself and Rei, that is a flaw he has to overcome.

But parts of the fandom did it too. Do I think Rei was completely innocent? No. Do I think that the fact that she was also abused and clearly had bad mental health into consideration? Absolutely! Without Endevour the situation would not exist, without him buying his wife and having children because he had goals to achieve there would be no Dabi. So Endevour is responsible for most of this, but Rei did some parenting mistakes too that didn’t help the situation.

I don’t think she is presented as an enabler in the manga though. Through Endevour’s perspective the first thing in the flashbacks about her are literally that she only married him for the sake of her family. And that is the first moment of the fandom taking over and saying Rei is equality/more to blame than Enji for doing so. There are people who say that she agreed to this, so she is completely responsible for what happens afterwards. I say 4 things about it:

1. Arranged marriages are still common in Japan today and you’d want someone wealthy, especially if you come from a poor family like Rei does. So you have to take the culture this plays into consideration when discussing this.

2. If Enji didn’t seek a wife this arrangement would have never happened in the first place.

3. If the options are between live in poverty with a family who resents you for saying no and marrying a man for money then there is a systematic fault because you need to make that decision and it isn’t really an option to begin with. Toya himself says that Rei had no choice at the age of 13.

4. Enji had a really good reputation, he was the number 2 hero, he was seen as a great guy and we know from the flashbacks that his abuse started later. She couldn’t have possibly known how Endevour would treat her children because earlier he treated her in a normal way for an arranged marriage.

And after that we get the flashbacks.

And I using the flashback chapter for this because they are objective, they don’t have a character pov. Any character flashback is always personal, they have subjective memories that taint the objectiveness of the reader and HK does that all the time, which is interesting writing and very humanizing but it leads to discussions amongst fans.

And anything SAID by the Todoroki children and Rei is extremely based on actual abuse victim behavior, which I actually did quiet some research on and I have to say it is very realistic for them to behave the way they do in the manga.

Which also includes Natuso, Shoto and Fuyumi not realizing they were being abused themselves, Fuyumi and Rei trying to solve the issues by brushing them off because they don’t have the healthy mindset to find other means and shifting blame around for something they did while they weren’t healthy enough to do better.

Rei went to talk to Enji, telling him he’s being cruel and that Enji’s treatment is too much. After which Endevour says “If we want him to give it up, then we have no choice” the framing of those panels show Rei terrified and Enji completely in the dark and we know from earlier chapters that he forced himself onto her.

So saying she had part of “making” the children is blaming her getting raped by her husband on the fandoms part.

At the end of chapter 301 (the first flashback chapter) she takes some of the blame by saying Enji wasn’t the only one that looked away. But from the chapters we also know that Toya would have needed attention from his father which Rei told Enji and she told him that he was running away from his problems.

The one person in the household that has issues with women is Toya who’s saying they are useless, which on one hand is something a lot of boys that age say and on the other hand comes from the upbringing Fuyumi has. We know Rei tried to talk to Enji, but Toya doesn’t and Fuyumi is a child that actually had the “most normal” up brining in the house because Enji was busying using Toya for his goals and Rei raised them both together, so little Fuyumi isn’t capable of understanding Toya.

The issues Toya has with his mother we see when she tries to do something about Toya, who only wants his father’s attention back, because that’s what he feels like his father’s love is.

She suggests other things and is trying her best given the circumstances. Are they good? No. Are they probably the only thing she’s capable of? Most likely. Endevour wouldn’t have gotten a therapist for Toya and we know Enji beat her when she didn’t do what he wanted her to do. But what he wanted her to do wasn’t something she was capable of doing.

The panel where she asks Toya if he even wants to be a hero always hits me, just because no one ever asked Toya what he wanted. Dabi has no known want but to end Endevour and the hero society because he was raised as a tool and not a child until Endevour found a more useful tool. And by then it was too late for Rei’s words be of any help when she tells him to find other ways. Just like Rei isn’t capable of helping Toya with those words, Toya isn’t capable of finding a different way on his own anymore.

Toya himself says that Rei had no choice for her future (marriage, children) when she suggests Toya to make a choice for his future (anything other than his father’s original plans) and simultaneously blames her for his state. And while I do stand by my original argument that Rei couldn’t have possibly known that Endevour would abuse her and her children or the fact that she didn’t have any better options other than marrying him I can understand Toya’s reaction. She is responsible for his existence by repeating the cycle of she was forced to do something, so then her son was forced to do something.

And Rei herself says that she and Enji both say that they did not know what to say to him. But the thing is Endevour didn’t even try or give the option for someone else that wasn’t Toya’s parents to talk to the child and take care of his problems, like a psychologist might have done. And Endevour was the one in charge of the household.

The point where Rei stopped trying was after Toya’s death, when her mental health was got so bad after years of abuse that ended with her mental breakdown of the attack on Shoto.  And I can’t call that enabling, because she wasn’t in a position to enable things anymore. She wasn’t healthy enough for that after trying and getting abused for it.

(What I still heavily dislike about those chapter is just the fact that Rei is saying that it is now all of their responsibility meaning the kids as well, as if they had any part and Natuso even blames himself and not one of his parents tells him that it’s absolutely not on him.)

So I can’t see her being framed as an enabler in the manga, but very much in the fandom. Same for Fuyumi who was an abused child and as all Todoroki siblings is still very much affected by the long term consequences of child abuse and is just trying to find a way to deal with the situation.

[Could you give me a chapter reference of Inko on this, because I’d need to re-read that in order to properly make an analysis other than teenagers say stuff like this to their parents all the time when they are angry, because they don’t have enough knowledge about situations like this yet. Because in general Inko is framed very much like a really great mother.]

I do enjoy the LoV chapters more as well and I have little hopes of survival about my favorite character Spinner ever since the “we connected over games” notion.

Because he is the least villainous out of the LoV with no criminal history prior and no innocent deaths on him I do have a suspicion of him dying for Tomura in a very heroic fashion like Twice did for his friends. The guy was fed up with society to the point he spend more of his time at home playing video games , got inspired to change the system, joined the league, became close to them and found someone to fight for. That isn’t a person that can redeem himself, because that isn’t someone who has to redeem himself. If Tomura would change his plans and explain the reasons to the Lov aside from Dabi they’d most likely still follow him, especially Spinner.

And yeah, they deserve the world. I mean we can’t get Compress being the grandson of one of the big 3 and then never see him again after his first pov chapter, so I assume we are going to still see more of him.

I headcanon that Spinner can actually be really great as a leader if he just got a good “main quest”, so if AFO completely takes over Tomura it would be like a questlog of: Quest: save Shigaraki.

Parts of the quest: Get more people to help me. Find Toga. Get Compress out of Prison. Maybe get the PLF too. Find a way to save Shigaraki. [etc.]

And I’d love to get the gang back together that way, now that Tomura is in a comatose state right now, although I doubt Spinner would leave him with Dabi and Sceptic in charge.

I can see Spinner and Compress dying through saving their friends, Compress already nearly did. And I can see AFO killing Spinner to get a stronger grip on Tomura’s hatred (which would probably backfire) but I don’t want them to die.

I don’t really want anyone to die aside from AFO, who I wish to get decayed into ash by Tomura for grooming him.

And it would be really unsatisfying to read Dabi die, because he doesn’t care if he dies as long as he takes his father down with him. And if is still at that point by the end of the series that would mean that Shoto failed saving his brother and that would go completely against the entire message of bnha.

Anybody who has acess to raw scans and knowledge about Japanese to be of any help, because the translations of bnha 311 are saying very different things:

This is the first translation, where I want to point out the line about never stopping to smile and something missing in his soul are directed at AFO.

And Endevour clearly asks a question, which in japanese is indicated through a parcel, so if something is a question it should be obvious to see.

But then the other translation sais that the one with extra hatred is Shigaraki , same with the person that doesn’t stop laughing/smiling.

Which would make perfect sense to talk about Tomura because he is always smiling/ laughing, which can’t be said for AFO, the guy barely shows what is left of his face and none of them have any knowledge about AFO always laughing/smiling.

It would on the other hand make sense for AFO to have no hatred, but rather emptiness inside of him, but then the translation to laughing seems off. Wouldn’t it be rather something along the lines of laughing on the inside, thinking he is going to win no matter what (I lack the english word for what I mean right now.).

And Endevour isn’t asking a question here too, he is making a statement.

I can get behind differences like laughing/smiling or missing his soul/lack of heart, but there is a huge difference who they are talking about and Endevours statement/question about the person’s sould/heart.

“Personally, I feel like maybe parts of Dabi are fire proof to a certain extent and that’s why all of his skin wasn’t burned during the accident. “

This is the exact reasoning my boyfriend brought up for: why do Dabi’s internal organs not burn as well. They technically should, his lungs should be in horrible condition as well as any tissue under the burned skin.

He was 3rd and 4th degree burns, that would mean the flames should have gone to the bones, muscles and tendons and since they found a piece of his jawbone- it did. But only in that one area.

By all accounts Dabi should not be alive in the first place, but if he survived he should have had horrible inner damaged, which he doesn’t. So there is a huge chance that most of his organs or general inner body is actually perfectly fire proof to his blue flames, meaning they are even stronger than Endevours.

Just that his skin isn’t.

That would also mean that Endevour could have probably just gotten him some cooling support items to stop the burning. 

And I’d love the irony that Endevour did have the “perfect child” he wanted, that had stronger flames and a more fireproof body (on the inside) on the first try and was just to occupied with himself to notice.

I remember back in 2016 when I started reading the BNHA manga and Dabi appeared for the first time I thought it was obvious that he was inspired on Frankenstein’s monster. And since we’d already seen the nomus who very clearly were artificially made, it wasn’t far fetched at all that dabi most likely was a revived corpse or something. Dabi having a connection with the doctor has been for years a very popular theory, do you think his body might have been altered? I mean, horikoshi is no medical expert but there’s no way some parts of touya’s skin could have been completely spared. It might be possible that part of his body is not his original, yk what I mean?

Hey there! Ahhh, that is all a possibility! I personally don't see how Dabi being a nomu or having synthetic body parts would add to the story though. In fact, this plot point could be misconstrued and used as reasons why his abuser is being "falsely" accused or "over-accused". As in, it would further invalidate Dabi's trauma because nomu!Dabi isn't really Touya and some could argue that Nomu!Dabi was brainwashed to hate hero society and his father and his childhood "wasn't that bad." And on top of that, Dabi being a nomu or being stitched together with other body parts seems kind of too macabre and horror-ish for the Todoroki family plotline, who have already suffered so much and are still mourning and missing Touya. Also, we already have that exact story line with Kurogiri and Aizawa. As a side note, this is also why I don't know how to feel about Dr. Ujiko having something to do with Dabi. I feel like it would leave an opening for more doubt to be cast on the culpability and responsibility of his abuser.

Personally, I feel like maybe parts of Dabi are fire proof to a certain extent and that's why all of his skin wasn't burned during the accident. BNHA doesn't exactly follow our IRL scientific or medical rules so I don't think the concern is HOW he isn't all burned, but WHY he's burning. I feel like Dabi's new and old burns are a symbolism of how MUCH Dabi was/is suffering and how much self hatred and low self worth he has because of how he was treated by his abuser.

Kind of fits the narrative though.

Like when Rumi lost her limbs the next cover was her with cool prosthetics like a showcase of “how strong she is”, whereas any of the League Members who lost limbs got prosthetics, but Compress’s arm was acting up during Maschia’s fight, Re-Destro’s legs weren’t strong enough to keep up with his quirk at all times and did Giran even get anything for his fingers?

This is really mimicing of the real live that bnha often does with the celebrity treatment of pro heroes.

So the girls have to have pretty/sexy over functioning costumes, there are billbords everywhere and any pro hero who overcomes something is called a role model and strong for it, or they get away with comitting crimes without any trial.

Just like in real life celebrities get called strong and a role model for basic living, but when a civilian does it, it doesn’t matter or they have to take care of themselves, being in a huge disadvantage. Or when a famous person gets a legal sentence they are usually way lower than those of civilians.

A fighter that does horrible damage to their oponent loses their limbs?

Being a pro hero you’ll get a cool cover with your prosthetics.

Be a villain? You’ll be denied basic human rights, even though you are in no way capable of fighting anymore and not a physical threat to anybody.

This is very mimicing of the real live where the rich, wealthy or famous people get their lives back with a lot more ease even after traumatic experiences, while normal people have their lives destoryed/ made harder or even ended.

And it does give the villains right. They keep losing to this rigged system that they are trying to fight, so they have to push harder and they do. They are not in a place of privilege so any fight they take on, they are at a huge disadvantage from the get go -> See Deika.

Deternat has resources, they start the fight, Giran loses his fingers for not giving up the League, Toga gets blown up, Twice his arms broken, Shigaraki breaks his leg and loses his fingers, but they kept standing up and fighting. Which does really show of their dedication to themselves and gives you great reason to root for them. And because they keep fighting more priveleged people you want them to win and you start rooting for them.

So if they can go up against the Meta Liberation Army with all their resources, they can go up against the society that is activly working against them in all ways.

And on Hawks: keeping his wings is kind of forshaddowing on him getting out of the Twice kill for now. I remember very well the chapter he got burned and everyone was discussing about this being Hakws great turnpoint, but it wasn’t, so far Hawks has no turn point, only deepening his issues, which can be frustrating to read. And his wings are the first sign that nothing really has changed. Or as Dabi put it: he didn’t do enough yet.

The pro heroes still have their ways of getting away with things no one should get away with and so the damage done to society wasn’t enough yet.

But what makes it so frustrating to read for a lot of people is because we see this in our normal lives all the time. We see priveleged people using their  position to help themselves instead of those who could use some help.

I don’t know if this is intentional or not as being part of pro hero society, but it does fit the narrative very well.

That being said: from a writing perspective I’d love for the heroes to have a big impact that really changes them in a way that isn’t fixable because for far (315) we see some slight learning from Deku, which is realistic, but kind of boring to read to be honest, when the villains always have such drastic consequences for their lives in comparison.

(Oh wait, that is a sign of privelege again, to have the time to grow.)

Is anyone else like... a lil bit annoyed by the repeated reversal of consequences for the heroes? When they brought Eri in I was like this is a cool concept but I like that her powers are too unstable to be basically used as an undo button for characters' injuries, but then the Mirio thing happened and there's no guarantee she won't be used that way again, and now apparently Hawks is getting his wings back too. Even stuff like Enji and Jeanist losing lungs feels like a moot point bc they still fight no problem - in fact Jeanist coming back at all sorta feels like another example of the problem.

It kinda feels like only minor characters/side characters/characters whose literal only purpose is to die actually face concrete consequences, especially on the heroes' side.

Idk, maybe Hori's handling of Aizawa will prove me wrong. We'll see.

This is really, really  good on a psychological take.

It is extremly common for abuse victims to:

1. still love their abusers, especially if they are blood related. Because of social expectencies children are often told to love their parents no matter what and they pick up on that, so even abused children often have love for their parents, that in no way deserve it. Besides the biological basis that babies need other humans or they die, and then bond to these humans. And little moments that give them hope that their parents love them back, tends to solitify that. And those little moments together with the abusive upbringing also leads to the believe that the abuse is justified (of course it’s not) and sometimes that can lead to overlap with the way they view other abuse victims. So Enji abusing Toya through training, still gave Toya feelings of love, because he interpreted that as love from his father, and wanted more of that training and repectively more love from him.

Wheras Fuyumi and Natuso don’t seem to realize they were abused as well, because they were mostly “just neglected”, unlike their brothers. Shoto only speaks about what Enji did to Rei, not himself either.

Dabi is the only sibling who outright told their father that he is to blame for the abuse their family suffered, no one else.

Big difference between Hakws and Best Jeanist, who are looking elsewhere for the culprit. And Enji trying to shift the blame onto his own abuse victims.

Keigo on the other probably interepreted the Endevour doll as a sign of love from his mother, leading to his idelazation for Endevour, without ever knowing him.

2. go back to similar abusers. You brain has a tendecy to go back to what it knows, even if that is a bad thing and that is extremly hard to overcome. And children who were abused have a high tendecy to not realize that they were abused (Fuymi, Natuso, Shoto are all examples of that) until they are adults, somtimes even way later in live. Mind you Keigo is only 23 and he has been in an unhealthy enviroment since he was born, he just swapped his parents for the hero commission.

Wich Endevour it is of course different. Because Hawks new Endevour the pro hero, but not Enji the father. So his idolization came as a child, meaning Hawks saw Endevour as you said: as am idol father figure, a hero come to rescue, but not the real person behind that idol.

And now that he hears about the real Enji two things happen: first of all, the human brain does not like contridicting information and Enji being a horrible abusive parent for over 20 years is extremly against the picture Hawks has of him. And second: this is as you said something Hawks probably wanted from his father: a change, to become a good parent and have the happy family he wanted.So he jumps to devend Enji as a person. Even though as a parent both Enji and Hawk’s father were horrible and neither of their sons was at fault for this.

I'm going to say a thing that can be seemed... a bit (read: very) controversial by some people. But. Do you think... that maybe. Just perhaps. Keigo, somewhere deep inside, hoped that his own abusive father will 'change'? (I mean, he clearly has some weird views concerning his parents, just remember how he apologised to his mother, even though she absolutely did NOT deserve any apologies) But, well, he didn't. And later he was caught by Endeavor, whom Keigo began to look up to and eventually came to see him as a father figure of sorts. But... now that he knows that Endeavor was also an abusive father himself, but who has 'changed', do you think that maybe that's why Hawks now supports him even more and refuses to critique him? Because now he's literally a dream-version of his own father? Or am I reaching too much into it? upd.: This also might be the reason he doubts Dabi's words so hard and can't see that 'the reason for Dabi's hatred' is standing right next to him. I feel like Hawks believes to some extent that it was his own fault his parents abused him (he's wrong, of course) and he was just a bad son, so admitting that Dabi's creation was entirely Endeavor's fault would mean for Hawks to accept that no, his parents didn't abused and neglected him because he did something wrong and deserved it, they abused and neglected him just because they were pieces of shit and he shouldn't be excusing them.

It has been one intro, one the song that originally was about Deku and Shigaraki and not Endevour and Hawks and one outro later and my hope is going downhill.

So I don’t actually watch mha academia anymore and only read the manga, BUT of course since my villain academia is coming up I found a ton of content on my dash.

Of course as usually Bones seems to be doing very strange things with the adaptation.

But maybe just maybe they try to make a subverting expectations in a good way thing.

As in they now show Tomura being super destructive, having this “the obvioulsy totally evil and nothing else villain steps on the pretty flower” moment while we saw absolulty nothing of Spinner in the latest DVD art.

Maybe they try to build up on the perseption of the pro hero perspective: those guys are just evil and nothing else. And then when my villain academia does happen it catches those who haven’t yet noticed how human the league are by surprise.

Then again this is a total moment of hope that someone thought things a bit better through and nothing more.

i think bakugo sees that endevour is what he could have become if he went down the wrong path. someone who is completly obsessed with being the number 1. having just re-read the very first chapter reminded me how much bakugo has grown out of that unhealthy behaviour that aligns extremly with endevour. but he has changed, he isn’t obsessed with having to be the best in everything and doesn’t think that others are worthless based on their quirks anymore. but endevour did not grow out of that behaviour as a teenager, instead he grew up to become a man so obsessed with power he bought a wife to have children that could be even more powerful. and i think that bakugo knows that this is what he could have become, he recognizes his own mistakes in endevour and doesn’t forgive them.

bakugou is a loyal ass bitch, he and shouto are literally ride or dies. he has not had a nice thing to say to or about endeavor since he overheard what shouto told midoriya at the sports festival. he went to that agency only because that’s the #1 hero and the first thing he did was call that grown ass man cringy to his face. he hasn’t paid any special attention to endeavor during their time there and has, in fact, stayed relatively close to shouto, lingering back with him and standing off to the side with him. say what you want about him but he’s literally stayed right by shouto’s side and avoided any sort of idolization or praise of endeavor. in fact!! he’s always thought he was terrible, all the way back when he was just a baby he was like “i don’t want this shit” when his dad tried to give him an endeavor toy

because the top hero is good at hiding his corpses

The answer to this is seriously screwed up actually BECAUSE Endevour is powerful enough to hide his abuse from the world.

rei was hospitalized and no one came to check why? toya burned to death and no one came to check why? natuso and fuyumi were obviously negelted and no one noticed? shoto in school straight up told people he got abused and not one adult did anything.

Because the top hero endevour couldn’t possibly do something like that.

this is the exact issue stain has, and the lov too, that the pros get away with everything, including abusing their whole family, that they made for their own selfish goals,

but small pros aren’t able to hide their corpeses as well as the top pro heroes like endevour, so stain goes after them

this is a really good comparison to the real world, where smaller priviledged people can get into trouble for what they did, but the really big guys on top? they can get away with everything.

they went after James Gunn for something he said a decade ago, but Bob Iger can get away with enabling, if not supporting sexual harrassment and sexual assault within the Disney company for years without legal consequences

just like endevour can get away with abusing his family, while Tensei Ida gets attacked by stain

stain was fake as fuck, if hero killer then why was endeavor not on top of your list 😐

Addition on the symbolic placement of the scars: It is viewable that Toya tried to mimic his father’s classi fighting form when he burned.

So Enji has his flames on his legs, shoulders, across his chest, running down his arms, his bears/neck and his “mask” that starts underneath his eyes.

And Dabi’s burns are on exactly the same spots. Even the chest placement is similar to the cross Endevour has on his chest. He has most likely mimicim his father when he burned.

But as mentioned in the original post: the fact that he cried most likely made the scarring worse under his eyes, to the point that it caused internal damage.

And the implication behind this is very tragic:Toya cried because his father didn’t show up, so he in a final attempt tried to mimic his father’s flames and ended up burning himself so badly to the point he wasn’t able to cry anymore.

Do you think the reason why the underside of Dabi's eyes are burnt is because at Sekoto Peak where he couldn't get control of his fire, he cried so heavily that his quirk had activated in those spots, burning his tear ducts there and then? Sorry if that's a dumb & obvious question. I just wondered why the underside of his eyes were the only parts burnt on the top half of his face?

That's not a dumb question, it's actually a really interesting one! I've been thinking about it for over a week now so here are my thoughts, which may or may not make sense.

His tears turned into fire in that scene of him at Sekoto Peak so it's pretty much like you said in terms of why the underside of his eyes are burnt, BUT that kinda makes that the only place on his body where the scars are explained?!

Why is the lower half of his face burnt then? Why are his arms burnt but not the palms of his hands even though that's where the fire is actually coming out?

It kinda makes you wonder whether there is actually a logical explanation for the placement of his scars or if it's just an artistic choice overall.

That's definitely something to think about and something I haven't found an answer to, but I have my theories. Maybe some parts of his body are more tolerant of the cold and therefore less tolerant to fire, thus burning more easily than other parts?

On a similar note, I'm pretty sure @redphlox pointed out before that the scars under his eyes and his inability to cry is symbolic of other characters having trouble recognizing his victimhood since bnha is very big on crying. It was seeing Toga cry that made Ochako reflect on their conversation and Dku also pointed out that Shigaraki looked like he needed help. In bnha, victims always have to look like victims in order to receive help.

Again, it makes sense for the scars under his eyes to be there - both from how he got them and what purpose they serve symbolically.

So what I'm wondering now is whether that logic could be used for the scars on the lower side of his face, particularly the shape? The scars start at the corners of his mouth and stretch up to his ears, basically turning his mouth into a big smile.

Multiple people have now pointed out that eyes are a recurring theme in the Todoroki family. In addition to that, smiling is a recurring theme concerning Dabi.

Here are just a few panels that show him smiling:

It's also been pointed out before that we see him smile in situations where he should be crying; something that has first been pointed out by Hwks when Dabi smiled at him after Hwks killed Twice.

In a way, the scars beneath his eyes show that he can't cry - but also that he has cried in the past.

The scars on the lower half of his face then represent the smile he puts on instead of crying. Not just because he physically can't, though, but also because he has cried so much before. He's always been vocal about his feelings and his needs; but to no avail. So what are you supposed to do when crying is pointless anyway?

We see him smiling and dancing now with most people unable to even slightly consider him to be a victim without them realizing that he has looked like a victim until he didn't.

He's the perfect example of what's wrong with hero society in so many ways, and even his design is proof of that. There is no right or wrong way to be a victim - let alone look like one.

People often say that scars are a reminder of the past, but for Dabi they also are a reminder of the present - his past, during which he has shed many tears, eventually led to him being unable to cry altogether, which resulted in him having to smile as another way to release his emotions. So the scars are also a reminder that he still suffers, there are scars in the shape of a smile even when he isn't actually smiling to show that he is in a constant state of pain.

So to maybe answer your question a little, I think the scars under his eyes are explained by his tears having turned into fire on that day, whereas the rest of his scars might be more symbolic in meaning concerning their placement.

So inspired by this by the analytically talented @haleigh-sloth​ I wanted to point out specifically that Endevour does not look like a heroic figure to look up to in this.

Without any context they look almost like siblings in front of their abusive father. One trying to appease him, the other being angry. And this reflects their real feelings quiet well.

Hawks wants to appease, he keeps looking up to Endevour the pro hero and refuses to see Enji that abusive father (and husband). But Endevour is Enji and vise versa and this panel illustrates really well that Toya is right with his view on him. He is rightfully angry at this lurking figure above him.

And while both of them are looking up, Toya has his head lowered, while staring towards the reader almost accusing, as if he was angry at the world for what is happening to him. Wheras Hawks looks upwards, seemingly starring into the wrong path.

Also this mimics the Shoto/Dabi looking up/down very nicely. The difference being that there is no Endevour behind them and it lookes like Shoto is the one looking forward/hopeful, whereas Dabi/Toya is looking downward/sad.

After looking more into the way real life Japan deals with crime, I am coming back to the Dabi confession and of course Endeavor not facing legal consequences, considering HK has on multiple occasions brought up real life issues that are similar in bnha and Japan.

So Japan has a 99% conviction rate. This has to do with multiple factors, but one of the biggest is the fact that crime is only brought to a judge if there is an overwhelming amount of evidence. Because lawyers in Japan do not like losing, it can be incredibly career damaging. So a ton of crimes are actually solves outside of a courtroom, especially with minor crimes like theft due to compensation.

So one would assume that Dabi collected all this evidence of actually being Toya and making a public statement so he could get evidence on him that would actually lead to a trial, even going so far to get a DNA test done.

But then there is the fact that Japanese law has been heavily criticized for violating human rights due to what is in English called the “hostage justice”. So suspects are automatically found guilty, unlike most western law where it’s: innocent until found guilt, in Japan it is the opposite. And those suspects are treated with that in mind. So there were cases where the police faked evidence so they could pin it on someone but more importantly the Japanese crime system is based on confession.

What does that mean? That means most people are found guilty by confession the crime. With a 99% conviction rate that is huge. And it is that huge partially due to the hostage justice. Suspects can be detained up to 23 days, have no right to remain silent and are interrogated without a lawyer present. What does that lead to? It leads to false confessions.

Human rights organizations have pointed out multiple times that psychological torture is a common practice that leads to forced confessions. In western countries those are mostly outlawed, because it is known that a forced confession is based on the victim trying to get the torture to stop and not actual confession, so they will confess to everything. Something that was extremely common in the witch trials, where the “witches” were usually tortures until they confessed to being a witch, so they’d rather get executed than having to endure ongoing torture. On a side note, not important to bnha, but: they often pin crimes on immigrants or foreigners and refuse to give them translators.

This has come up extremely due to a case where the innocent suspect had an alibi but confessed to the crime anyway and got convicted for it because he confessed it during the interrogation.

So this leads us back to bnha, Dabi presented evidence, Endeavor confessed these crimes on an open panel and he is still not being legally prosecuted because of his status.

Now a lawyer in bnha obviously wouldn’t want to be the one that brings the top pro in front of a courtroom before the confession because he would have lost that case without a confession. So all of the evidence they could have gotten being statements from all of the children and medical staff or teachers that all should have legally within Japanese current law reported the child and spouse abuse could have been thrown out if Endeavor just wouldn’t have confessed.

And police would not arrest one of the most famous people in Japan, let alone someone they work with. And even if they did, it would have not been public (in Japan nearly all cases are non public) and they wouldn’t have forced him, seeing as he was on their side. They at best would have invited him for a nice cup of tea and asked if he did it, Endeavor would have said no and let go. Even a really passionate police officer that hates him would have not tried to torture a guy with this much money, influence, let alone a quirk like hellflame.

But now with Dabi’s evidence and Endeavor’s confession still nothing is happening, his status still protects him. So obviously Dabi’s hasn’t gone far enough if he played by the flawed legal system and still nothing is happening.

With how much emphasis is pointed to Hawks being deep down a real hero, after everything he’s done, I think him and Best Jeanist starting out as antagoists to the save Toya squad until Enji notices they are more likely to kill his son, than actually safe him (making Enji choose his family over being a hero), it would be a nice parallell if it ended with Hawks choosing Endevour over pro heroism and killing or injuring Best Jeanist to save Endevour.

I just think it would be nice if Hawks lied to Dabi about killing Best Jeanist to destory the LoV and Dabi and ended up killing Best Jeanist to save Dabi. And HK does like parallells.

With Dabi’s current character development from being very antagonistic towards the LoV, to actually steaming about Twice death and being kind to Toga, I’d like to see this development to go even further. In the upcoming fight, Hawks might try to kill Toga now that she has Jin’s blood (and technically an endless amount of it, if she just drinks the clones blood again) and Toya has to choose between killing his father and saving Toga.

Would also be a good moment for Uraraka to see how bad heroes can be, so she gets to the “save Toga too” moment she still needs.

reblooged for this lovely addition Kotaro Shimura would have gotten nominated too if he wasn’t dead already.

Screw everyone who sprayed the Toga House, but the person who wrote “worst parents ever”, they were right.

From all the things about bnhas ending I dislike, the fact that the hero ranking system is still up is probably the worst.

We've seen what it does to people, we've seen what happend with Endevour. We know it sucks, why is it still there?

Did Hori get told: hey this is shonen, and shonen loves rankings like this, so keep it up. It feels like the last ark just was made to cater to the main shonen tropes and not everything it set up for all of the rest.

Ah fuck, here we go again.

This is Kuma (Tokuma) Todoroki! The youngest todoroki. To make a really long story short, Kuma was taken by dabi after the accident. Dabi was 14 and kuma was 1 (currently 10 and 23). Dabi raised him as his son and kept him away from the other todorokis completely.

His quirk is steam and frost. He can create steam and frost from his hands (like how shouto can with his quirk)

His natural hair is red and white, but they dye it black to keep people from asking questions.

I am writing a story for kuma, and it's in chapters. So this is what he looks like in chapter 1 + a messy sketch of Kumas quirk manifesting.