Ive Always Felt Off About Joel And Ellies Relationship In Part 2 And You Guys Are Making Me Realize Why.

I’ve always felt off about Joel and Ellie’s relationship in part 2 and you guys are making me realize why😫. She really does just continue on in Jackson and doesn’t seemed bothered by him not being in her life.

Throughout the game we can read about her falling for Cat and getting a tattoo. We then see her and Dina get together, and her friendship with Jessie. We never see/hear/read about her missing Joel. All of the flashbacks (besides birthday) show her being distant and pushing him away. Then she cuts him off and there’s a gap in their lives we don’t see.

And it’s all building up a lot of anger within her (cue her snapping at him at the bar) but I feel that the writers really failed at expressing her pain with the estrangement. The flashbacks all show Joel trying to be a caring father figure but Ellie just kinda feels like more a friend/acquaintance?

It’s obvious she regrets all of it after he dies, but from the viewer’s perspective she cuts him off and is fine with that for two years.

I definitely agree with you when you say the hbo versions feel like more of a father/daughter relationship.

Sorry I didn’t mean for this to be so long lol

we shake hands, anon!

it's so bonkers to me that we get to see/read everything else happening in her life, but we don't see anything about her missing joel. she has to miss him a little bit, though, right? cause she traveled across the freaking country with him. there's no way she doesn't miss him at all

I agree! I do feel the writers dropped the ball a bit with not showing any of her emotions, cause there has to be some. and we do get to see joel still trying to be a father figure for her, but we get nothing from her? I feel we missed a lot cause when did her stance change from "possible father figure" to "he can be a friend and that's it"?? please don't actually answer that lmao, but still, how did we get from point a to point e with their relationship??

I really, really hope they change some things to better fit show joel and ellie, cause I cannot see things playing out the exact same way. I've already theorized a bit with what they can do for the hospital flashback. in the show, she didn't get her backpack back and that has her whole life in it. she can go back to the hospital to get it and oh, no, she's found out what actually happened. I never understood why she went back in the game, but maybe it was to figure out if joel was lying to her. it just seems a long way to go to get an answer, you know?

you're totally fine, anon!

since there's been a lot of asks recently (thank you btw! I've been having a BLAST analyzing with you all), I've made a tag for them! all asks are now tagged as "menace answers" if you don't want to read all of that :)

woah I have liked 2500 posts on here O.O that is so many

Hiya

I was reading through some of your asks and I saw one person say it was out-of-character for Ellie to move into the garage, and I just want to give my 2 cents on why I personally disagree.

I think a lot of people tend to forget that Ellie has only known the FEDRA schools. Shes exclusively lived in dorms and had to be independent her whole life. So she’s never had a family or any domestic life. So it would pry be weird for her to move in with Joel and be a family unit like that. She doesn’t know what that is.

I would of loved if they did live together and been a father/daughter duo but i understand why that didn’t happen

hi!

I agree! I sometimes forget that she's only known fedra schools her whole life, too. it does make sense for her to move out so quickly now, even if it's not what we want :( I would have loved for them to stay together, but yeah, it makes sense why we didn't get it. I do wonder, though, if they're gonna change it for the show. since they have made joel and ellie different than in the game. I think she should still have the garage! I just wonder if they'll do it differently. but yes, I agree with you! it isn't too out of character for her to move out when she's known independency her whole life

I hope they add more of Ellie and Tommy’s relationship (pre-golf).

Were they friends? Did he step back into an uncle roll? Did they drift apart as she drifted apart from Joel? Or did Joel make him keep tabs on Ellie during those two years?

I’ve always wondered if Tommy knew about the estrangement. I imagine he did, but he never mentioned it all. It kinda seemed like Mariah didn’t know about it, she tried to talk to Ellie about the bar incident the morning after and it gave off the impression that she didn’t know anything was wrong with them

anon, I want you to know that when I read this, I had just finished a fic where there was a bunch of Tommy and Ellie bonding, so I do wholeheartedly agree. also I thank you for calling That pre-golf :)

but yes, I agree! I seriously hope Tommy gets back into his uncle roll! he was so good to Sarah from the little bits we got in the show, and we know Ellie is sassy. mans would have a BLAST sassing the shit out of Joel with her. I just know it. I really hope we get more of them in the show, I love show Tommy with my whole heart, I would LOVE to see him and Ellie bond :D

I imagine they were friends, maybe not like bestie level, but I imagine they would've been friends. mmm I could see both! I could see him drifting from Ellie once she cuts ties with Joel cause for all she knows, he's relaying stuff back to him. and I could see Joel asking him to keep tabs on her - if her and Tommy did stay close. but I don't imagine Tommy telling Joel everything. if there's something major happening with her, I could see him telling Joel. but if there's not, I could see him telling Joel she was doing just fine. if he ever got questioned, I imagine he'd just tell them they needed to work it out lmao

I also imagine he knew! 1, cause the guitar strings flashback made it seem like he knew something. the way he was telling Ellie she needed to talk to Joel, more than the "hi"s and "bye"s she was giving him, I think he knew at least a little bit. and 2, I feel it was pretty obvious to those who knew them? so, Tommy knows Joel and knows how he is with a kid, right? him all of a sudden not being seen in public with her (even if it is Ellie doing it, I know Joel wouldn't have pushed her, so he would've started avoiding her to a certain degree in public once they actual did drift)? red flags. something is up. and also with Joel confiding in Tommy about what really happened at the hospital? I can totally see him going to Tommy, trying to figure what's best for this kid. I don't think Maria knew and if she did, she knew how to not show it to everyone. but yeah, at the bar, she didn't seem to realize they were fighting, so I really don't think she knew about it. I think it was just Tommy tbh and maybe some of Ellie's friends?

I used to hate the world and I was happy when everyone died. But I was wrong, because there was one person worth saving. That’s what I did. I saved him.