One Thing I Loved About The Show Was The Subtle Symbolism. Im Pretty Sure In Every Episode There Was

One thing I loved about the show was the subtle symbolism. I’m pretty sure in every episode there was at least one scene where Joel was standing in the dark and then there was light shining on Ellie.

woah! I noticed it at the beginning, but not throughout! I know in ep2, they had a scene where Ellie was fully basked in light, Tess was right in the middle of being basked and being in the dark, and Joel was completely in the dark. that screenshot means so very much to me. gonna have to rewatch it again, aw, shucks!

but yes, I love the subtle symbolism, too! like the butterfly flying over Ellie in ep2 for Sarah? chefs kiss. I wonder if they're gonna have moths scattered throughout the next seasons for Ellie? cause they did plenty of wolves and mooses (I want to call them meese lmao) in the second game for Joel. I wonder if they'd do moths. also for Abby? would she get any subtle symbolism, or is it the wolves for her? I do not know

Whattttt??? Is that picture from after she cuts him off??

it has to be :( it's in Joel's house, but it has to have been after she cut him off, cause he looks so sad sitting so far from his kid :(

Are there any moments not in the game you’re hoping they add in the forthcoming seasons? I really hope we get more info on her chemical burn!! They barley mention it in the game. I want to know how she even came up with that

there are! again, trying not to hold my breath so as to not be disappointed if they don't include them, but yes!

I would also love to see more on the chemical burn and the tattoo!! what was the thought process? well, we can assume the thought process, but what made her go for chemicals? did cat help her design the tattoo? what was joel's reaction? would love to see more there

would also love to see what happened in the theater after abby and lev left. like, everyone was down for the count, but then they're all relatively fine in the epilogue. (fine as in they're alive, minus jesse. I miss jesse) like, was dina the one to get everyone wrangled up and then saw jesse? or was it ellie, and she did it all with a broken arm? did she move jesse or make a makeshift sled, like she did for joel in the dlc? we know it wasn't tommy, but no one was in a good condition to take care of the others, if that makes sense. so I would love to see what happened afterwards

also the aftermath of the golfing. there's so much concept art, and I can't explain it, but I do kind of want to see that? it's gonna fucking destroy us, but idk it could also help a little bit? instead of jumping to him already being buried, but I think it would be fine if they didn't include any and did it how they did in the game

cat! I want to see cat! what was she like? did joel ever pick up that they were together? I just want to see her. maybe in the slow fall of her and ellie and then them together or in the giving of the tattoo. I just want to meet her haha

also did ellie ever come out to joel? or was that final scene him saying he knew?

part of me also wants to see more of pregnant dina? like, did it get any better once they got back to jackson? or did it get worse because of the amount of loss? how quickly did she and ellie move out of jackson completely? did she do it all while pregnant, and if she did, was she that far along? or was it pretty quickly after getting back to jackson that the two of them moved out? wait. they might've because of the amount of loss. the community still would've been mourning joel, and then to add jesse? a child? (I know he wasn't a child, but also, technically, he was. especially compared to joel) and did ellie get the wrath of maria because of the state of tommy? or was she understanding and that just added to her grief? this one's long, sorry, there's just so many possibilities

I kinda also want there to be more explanation of ellie and joel's estrangement, if they keep it in. I imagine they would, so I'd love to see how it affected ellie. cause they didn't show that in the game at all

I'd also just love to see more domestic jackson living. if you're keeping the golfing, give us more happy memories. please. make up for it

I'm not sure if there's any for abby? I thought there was at least one, but I can't remember it currently. mmm maybe was she in the hospital when the shooting happened? people pointed out there was someone running around who had a pretty long braid in that final episode. was it her? there was also an extra nurse that people thought was her. so I guess just was she at the hospital or was she out when All That happened?

I'm sure there's more, but this is all I can think of currently! I might reblog this if more come to mind :) thank you for asking, anon!

I sent in the original ask about your thoughts on the estrangement and wow!! I never expected to see this much conversation about it!! This is so cool! I love seeing everyone’s different perspectives!! Thank you for answering!

famous anon haha!

I also did not expect there to be this much conversation about it! I love seeing everyone's different takes on it :) thank you for asking!

and thank you to everyone who's been asking me stuff! I love analyzing this silly little franchise >:] feel free to ask me more!

another one has come to mind! I would love for them to show us joel teaching ellie how to play the guitar! I think that would be so sweet and so cool

Are there any moments not in the game you’re hoping they add in the forthcoming seasons? I really hope we get more info on her chemical burn!! They barley mention it in the game. I want to know how she even came up with that

there are! again, trying not to hold my breath so as to not be disappointed if they don't include them, but yes!

I would also love to see more on the chemical burn and the tattoo!! what was the thought process? well, we can assume the thought process, but what made her go for chemicals? did cat help her design the tattoo? what was joel's reaction? would love to see more there

would also love to see what happened in the theater after abby and lev left. like, everyone was down for the count, but then they're all relatively fine in the epilogue. (fine as in they're alive, minus jesse. I miss jesse) like, was dina the one to get everyone wrangled up and then saw jesse? or was it ellie, and she did it all with a broken arm? did she move jesse or make a makeshift sled, like she did for joel in the dlc? we know it wasn't tommy, but no one was in a good condition to take care of the others, if that makes sense. so I would love to see what happened afterwards

also the aftermath of the golfing. there's so much concept art, and I can't explain it, but I do kind of want to see that? it's gonna fucking destroy us, but idk it could also help a little bit? instead of jumping to him already being buried, but I think it would be fine if they didn't include any and did it how they did in the game

cat! I want to see cat! what was she like? did joel ever pick up that they were together? I just want to see her. maybe in the slow fall of her and ellie and then them together or in the giving of the tattoo. I just want to meet her haha

also did ellie ever come out to joel? or was that final scene him saying he knew?

part of me also wants to see more of pregnant dina? like, did it get any better once they got back to jackson? or did it get worse because of the amount of loss? how quickly did she and ellie move out of jackson completely? did she do it all while pregnant, and if she did, was she that far along? or was it pretty quickly after getting back to jackson that the two of them moved out? wait. they might've because of the amount of loss. the community still would've been mourning joel, and then to add jesse? a child? (I know he wasn't a child, but also, technically, he was. especially compared to joel) and did ellie get the wrath of maria because of the state of tommy? or was she understanding and that just added to her grief? this one's long, sorry, there's just so many possibilities

I kinda also want there to be more explanation of ellie and joel's estrangement, if they keep it in. I imagine they would, so I'd love to see how it affected ellie. cause they didn't show that in the game at all

I'd also just love to see more domestic jackson living. if you're keeping the golfing, give us more happy memories. please. make up for it

I'm not sure if there's any for abby? I thought there was at least one, but I can't remember it currently. mmm maybe was she in the hospital when the shooting happened? people pointed out there was someone running around who had a pretty long braid in that final episode. was it her? there was also an extra nurse that people thought was her. so I guess just was she at the hospital or was she out when All That happened?

I'm sure there's more, but this is all I can think of currently! I might reblog this if more come to mind :) thank you for asking, anon!

I’ve always felt off about Joel and Ellie’s relationship in part 2 and you guys are making me realize why😫. She really does just continue on in Jackson and doesn’t seemed bothered by him not being in her life.

Throughout the game we can read about her falling for Cat and getting a tattoo. We then see her and Dina get together, and her friendship with Jessie. We never see/hear/read about her missing Joel. All of the flashbacks (besides birthday) show her being distant and pushing him away. Then she cuts him off and there’s a gap in their lives we don’t see.

And it’s all building up a lot of anger within her (cue her snapping at him at the bar) but I feel that the writers really failed at expressing her pain with the estrangement. The flashbacks all show Joel trying to be a caring father figure but Ellie just kinda feels like more a friend/acquaintance?

It’s obvious she regrets all of it after he dies, but from the viewer’s perspective she cuts him off and is fine with that for two years.

I definitely agree with you when you say the hbo versions feel like more of a father/daughter relationship.

Sorry I didn’t mean for this to be so long lol

we shake hands, anon!

it's so bonkers to me that we get to see/read everything else happening in her life, but we don't see anything about her missing joel. she has to miss him a little bit, though, right? cause she traveled across the freaking country with him. there's no way she doesn't miss him at all

I agree! I do feel the writers dropped the ball a bit with not showing any of her emotions, cause there has to be some. and we do get to see joel still trying to be a father figure for her, but we get nothing from her? I feel we missed a lot cause when did her stance change from "possible father figure" to "he can be a friend and that's it"?? please don't actually answer that lmao, but still, how did we get from point a to point e with their relationship??

I really, really hope they change some things to better fit show joel and ellie, cause I cannot see things playing out the exact same way. I've already theorized a bit with what they can do for the hospital flashback. in the show, she didn't get her backpack back and that has her whole life in it. she can go back to the hospital to get it and oh, no, she's found out what actually happened. I never understood why she went back in the game, but maybe it was to figure out if joel was lying to her. it just seems a long way to go to get an answer, you know?

you're totally fine, anon!