You Know, Even In The Beginning, Ellie Told Joel He Could Make Stuff Up. In Episode 3, Before It Cuts

you know, even in the beginning, Ellie told Joel he could make stuff up. in episode 3, before it cuts to Bill and Frank, Joel said that they should cut through the woods because there was some stuff he didn't want Ellie to see. she responded with "you're too honest, man. you should've said axe murderer," so with the addition of "you could've made something up, I would've believed you" about the dam? Joel was really just doing what she told him to when he lied about what happened at the hospital :(

How long have you been a fan of the last of us?

since march 14th of 2023!

I forget things really easily when watching shows weekly, so I figured I'd wait until the day after they were all released. I was able to watch it all in one go, which made a little brain goblin move in (and definitely did not empty me because of all the emotions I went through in less than 24 hours). after watching the show a couple times, I went through and watched a game play of the first game and the dlc cause i wanted to see what they changed :) (and also the "oh, he ain't even hurt" scene that everyone was talking about) I wanted to go into the second season blind, like I did the first, but I saw too many spoilers for it and alas, I had to watch the second game (although I'm sure brain goblin would've had me watch me it at some point)

Yes!! They foreshadowed his lie about the hospital!

I think it’s to help setup the estrangement- they’re showing how he was always honest and how much she trusted him. Then he took advantage of her trust and lied to her about the thing she cared about the most

yeah! I just never realized that part? I thought it was just when Ellie told him he could've made something up with how the dam worked :)

oh, I can for sure see that! I wouldn't say he only took advantage of her trust, though. I mean, he did, but that wasn't all? as said, they were foreshadowing the lie by her telling him he could make stuff up or even lie to her. so that's what he did. mmmmm, it is mostly him taking advantage of her trust, though. I do not know how to properly articulate this, anon, but it was her trust, along with him finally doing what she's been telling him to do, I feel. they always say third time's the charm. so the first three things he tries to come up with, she tells him he could've lied. so the one thing he could've tried to explain and something that she needed to know the truth on, he takes her up on lying. maybe he just didn't know how to tell her at the time? and then it was just easier to keep it going, which I am sincerely hoping they change for the show cause AAAA no thank you

and yeah! the other things she told him he could lie about didn't really mean a lot to her? like, she grew up in the qz, she's probably seen some shit, so the mass grave? probably didn't affect her that much? like, it did, but not as much as he was probably expecting it to. for the siphon, him making up how it works? that wouldn't affect her at all. like, yeah, she asked, but he didn't necessarily need to lie about it. he could've told her right off the bat that he didn't know how it worked, but she called him out the last time for not making something up. and the dam? he did tell her right off the bat that he didn't know, and then she told him he could just make stuff up. so now, she's caught him three times on lying and not knowing how stuff works, so he might just think it's easier to lie, because she keeps catching him in them. (or he likes doing things in patterns.) but from the past attempts, he should know she'd catch him? and this is a big enough thing that she didn't call him out on it, but she knew immediately that he was lying. like she did all the other times

we already have one 🤭

I do believe the beginning is Joel confiding in Tommy about Ellie already drifting? it could be just him telling Tommy what happened, but I think there's more to it. he has the guitar and he's cleaning it a little bit and then he gets back to Jackson, and Ellie's already moved out. she's already in the garage, so that had to have been right off the bat. this also means that the whole time she's being taught how to play, she's not even in the main house 😭 which gives her more time and chances to ignore him and resent him. and also gives her more time to think about what him saving her really means D: I'm normal

thinking about Joel putting his hand on Sarah's knee when they're in the truck :(

hi, Ellie doesn't Anna's jacket anymore