Oh I Haven't Seen That Part Yet, As I Said Dead Or Forced To "retire," But That's Not To Say They Don't

oh i haven't seen that part yet, as i said dead or forced to "retire," but that's not to say they don't have people to do the work for them, i'm sure these elders (who didn't accept their prince's chosen successors heir) have put their most faithful men to make life difficult for the brothers.

in addition I believe that the demon king did not accept the diavolo's choice very well, it is very likely that he also shares the antiquated ideals of his avatars, but as he could not interfere with the choice of his son (because whether he likes it or not, it's the son who was going to take over) he would simply let his avatars take care of the successors and look the other way.

It is clear that it is the right of the future demon king to choose his most faithful, and that the previous king cannot/should not interfere in this matter, but it is also the duty of the future king to watch over the future of his kingdom and if his subjects do not like the brother...... well it won't be his fault that the silly boy has chosen a bunch of little angels to play house with, right? and he can't even complain because a king must always look out for the well being of his people...

(this is why lucifer is so paranoid about Diavolo's reputation, because he knows his predecessor and that nasty peacock knew very well how to find weakness)

ok , as far as I know in cannon (obey-me) it was never said about the previous avatars of the brothers, nor how was their adaptation period.

following this theory, we can think that in the time when the demon king was awake there were 7 avatars of the capital sins before the brothers, most likely they (the brothers) had to kill their predecessors / take down their predecessors since in the cannon itself said that the current order of devildom was created by the ideology of Diavolo.

in this case, one can think that devildom at that time was much more bloody and barbaric than we thought, possibly following the ideology of clans and hierarchical separation aimed at the strength of demons.

Headcanon :Castlevania/obey-me

🦇 S/O: MC's roommate

🦇 Descendant of Lilith's Second Daughter

🦇 Lilith had two daughters in her time as a human, the first was born 2 years after her humanization the second was born on the day of her death.

🦇 Lilith died giving birth to her second daughter because of the disease, as she was old enough (for that time) to have children.

🦇The birth of the 2nd child (and the death of his mother) unlocked part of Lilith's inherited powers.

🦇 2 son, although not a physical son of an angel, was a spiritual descendant of one and therefore developed certain abilities.

🦇 Thousands of years have passed and during this time this bloodline has interbred with various magical beings thus keeping the power alive.

🦇 At the beginning of the Middle Ages, a family arises to fight against the children of the night, specialized in hunting, they swear to protect the human race from hidden beings who wish to do evil, and that's when The Belmod emerged.

🦇 a lot of time passes and the family is dismantled, the secret is passed down through the generations until it is disregarded by the most modern generations.

🦇 However, Raquel dismount (father's surname) was fascinated by her mother's family traditions, the techniques and strategies of battles, the myths and legends passed between generations always fascinated her.

🦇 although she does not believe in the supernatural, Raquel never ceased to be amazed at the creativity of her ancestors in creating such myths, as she knew that none of this was real....

🦇 Until the day she and her roommate met in an unusual location.

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Part 2

ok , as far as I know in cannon (obey-me) it was never said about the previous avatars of the brothers, nor how was their adaptation period.

following this theory, we can think that in the time when the demon king was awake there were 7 avatars of the capital sins before the brothers, most likely they (the brothers) had to kill their predecessors / take down their predecessors since in the cannon itself said that the current order of devildom was created by the ideology of Diavolo.

in this case, one can think that devildom at that time was much more bloody and barbaric than we thought, possibly following the ideology of clans and hierarchical separation aimed at the strength of demons.

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Ok so I was wondering if it's been mentioned anywhere whether the brothers have been demons for longer than they were angels? I'm just thinking if Satan has been in the family longer than Lilith was...

It hasn't been mentioned BUT

I have a theory, created through canon, filled with speculation where canon left gaps and spiced with blasphemy because this is OM! and that's a given at this point

In Lesson 11-7 Mammon says he's over 5000 yrs old

Creationists believe Earth to be around the same age (around 6000). The whole Adam & Eve and The Forbidden Fruit thing was supposed to have happened around the same time too.

Despite taking parts of religion for its lore OM! does not follow religion and doesn't seem to follow Creationism (Mammon mentions years in the millions, Dinosaurs were mentioned once or twice while I think they don't appear in creationism? I'm not 100% sure how the dinosaur thing works in it tbh)

I believe OM! Lilith feeding her human lover forbidden food from the Celestial Realm (to heal him) is OM!'s version of The Forbidden Fruit. So it happened over 500 years go.

In a lot of places it feels like the brothers consider their lives in the Celestial Realm separate from their ones in the Devildom despite the fact that they haven't changed much personality wise. And that makes sense because after the Fall you could even go as far as to say that they were reborn as Demons because of the way that even their bodies and magic changed

So when Mammon says he's over 5000 years my theory is that he meant he's been a demon for over 5000 years.

If ^ that's true then it means that Satan's full (physical -> because Satan manifested as a partially conscious being in Lucifer even before Asmo was created) age is the same (so 5000-6000 years).

Satan was probably a child when he was created because the game says Lucifer spent time raising him and because it's heavily hinted that Mammon spent time raising him as well (link)

So it took Satan maximum 5000-6000 years to grow from a child to someone who looks like he's in his 20s (the game says Satan's going through his rebellious teenage stage but I think that's just a constant with Satan and not a phase)

The brothers still looked the same as they do now when they Fell meaning they grew from newly created angels to looking like they were in their 20s while in the Celestial Realm (so max 5000-6000 years)

The brothers fought in the War against the Demons for a significant amount of time - long enough for Levi to be made a General and Mammon & Beel to be moved up the Angel hierarchy. One can assume (and pray) they were all full grown adults when they entered the War.

So they entered the War at 5000-6000 years and spent an unknown but significantly long time fighting in the War. They then spent more (yet a relatively smaller amount of) time in a truce before their Rebellion

So with this theory, they've spent more time with Lilith than they have with Satan (despite Satan's consciousness technically forming long before Lilith was created)

When writing fics I like to say the brothers (minus Satan) are actually millions of years old because I like the idea of MC seeing this ancient, eldritch creature and going "I'm gonna smooch that"

That's not all! the main trope of the fateverse and geared towards magic and mythology! much of the history there is about mages of the current era who summon spirits of heroes (Greek concept: for them heroes are beings that broke humanity's weakness, whether hero or not, human or not in short if you have a legend of more than 100 years can be summoned).

There's a character there that seems to be a mix of Lucifer and Satan, he appears in most of the Fateverse anime. he is also considered the most badass of the group so if you are a fan of them I think you will like Gilgamesh (the guy is the oldest hero in human history and has a hell of hacker power that allows you to open a portal and summon any weapon created / imagined by the human race, the guy can't only summon excalibur because he was created by fairies! plus he's a demigod!)

Damn I feel Levi when he starts talking about TSL it was bad the excitement.

BASICALLY FGO IS A MOBILE GACHA CAME LIKE GENSHIN AND OBEY ME BUT IT ALSO HAS A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS TO IT. MOVIES, ANINEA, SPIN OFFS, THERE'S SO MUCH

very confusing tho so if you wanna get into it good luck cause there is well over 20 animes/spin offs of it

But if you do wanna get into it here's the basic starting shows:

Fate:zero, fate:stay night unlimited bladeworks

After that you can watch in whatever order you want!

There's 3 different fate stay nights tho! It as first originated as a dating novel/game where you can choose who's route you get! (Like mysmes) so each anime is basically each route

(Unlimited bladeworks is my personal favorite and the easiest to understand)

you got me at gacha 😔👌 and won me at dating novel, i’ll have to try it out ! i saw some pictures and i love the animation style

my list of like 20 animes looking at me adding a new anime to the list 😐

The Obey Me x Belmont!S/O was really cute. Though now I'm picturing mc and belmont being platonic life partners/friends in a manner like Sylpha and Trevor. Thank you!

yes they are, putting the question of being a descendant of Lilith aside, they both have a very healthy relationship you can even say they act like brothers/sisters.

With mc being the big sister/older brother sus cool and s/o being the little sister/younger brother quiet gothic vengeful.

(Note: unlike a certain blonde S/o knows how to be discreet with her vendettas and knows where to hit it, if she wants to make a fuss about it then she can bet the shit will hit the airy-then Rip Belphie)