Ok , As Far As I Know In Cannon (obey-me) It Was Never Said About The Previous Avatars Of The Brothers,

ok , as far as I know in cannon (obey-me) it was never said about the previous avatars of the brothers, nor how was their adaptation period.

following this theory, we can think that in the time when the demon king was awake there were 7 avatars of the capital sins before the brothers, most likely they (the brothers) had to kill their predecessors / take down their predecessors since in the cannon itself said that the current order of devildom was created by the ideology of Diavolo.

in this case, one can think that devildom at that time was much more bloody and barbaric than we thought, possibly following the ideology of clans and hierarchical separation aimed at the strength of demons.

I like the angle you're taking in your story, these holes in the game's plot are basically asking us to fill them.

(I have a theory that the team writing the narrative spends some time looking at these fan theories to get an idea of ​​how to develop the game)

I don't remember if it's annon or not, but it's said that a part of the kingdom that didn't accept the ideologies developed by diavolo, it's also because demons age very slowly, which for us could be an adaptation/evolution of behavior/ideology of thousands of years could actually be a radical change from one day to the next.

So, thinking about the ideological/political differential of that time, I believe that not all avatars could/could have accepted the brothers as their successors, since they may have an ideology focused on purist supremacy (pure blood issues).

Furthermore, these elders have experienced war for thousands of years, have seen and watched their own die at the hands of the heavenly ordes, possibly at the hands of the brothers themselves before they fell.

so there is a high probability that not all the elders (the original 7) would accept this lying down, there is a high probability that the brothers had to kill? forcefully retire his predecessor to have to take over the post!

I also believe that among the original 7 the only one who was possibly not so hostile towards his successor was none other than the avatar of greed.

Why? Because greed is the only subtle and diversified sin, you can have greed for everything and a little more, it's an evil that when you least realize it is already in your clutches.

That's where my second theory comes from!

The demons of greed are frowned upon by demonic society and their avatar was considered the weakest of them!

Why? because in a society with the mentality where the strong eat the weak and gold is nothing less than a simple paperweight, so what would be the use of the demons of greed?

because of this reasoning the previous greed avatar had another focus for his sin...... to protect his own.

we can see in this behavior in mammon, even if he was kicked and mistreated by his brothers he is always protecting them, this behavior also extends to mc throughout the game.

With all that in mind comes my 3 theory:

Mammon was the only one of his brothers who had no difficulty in assuming his position, the avatar of the previous greed was old and old and was greedy for the well being (loved) of his precious people so he not only passed the title to the brothers' wrath (lol), as it taught him how to exercise his position (+-)

Something that pissed off his brothers and made them pick on him as he of all the brothers got the kissed hand position!

(Little did the idiots know that the old avatar of greed is why mammon has so much debt, in fact mammon had to pay for classes! AND HE HAS NOT EVEN FINISHED THE COURSE! HE AND THAT OLD MAN'S REASON IS SITTING ON A PILE OF GOLD DAMN )

in addition I believe that greed could be a demoness since by archaic reasoning only women protected their family.

ok , as far as I know in cannon (obey-me) it was never said about the previous avatars of the brothers, nor how was their adaptation period.

following this theory, we can think that in the time when the demon king was awake there were 7 avatars of the capital sins before the brothers, most likely they (the brothers) had to kill their predecessors / take down their predecessors since in the cannon itself said that the current order of devildom was created by the ideology of Diavolo.

in this case, one can think that devildom at that time was much more bloody and barbaric than we thought, possibly following the ideology of clans and hierarchical separation aimed at the strength of demons.

oh i haven't seen that part yet, as i said dead or forced to "retire," but that's not to say they don't have people to do the work for them, i'm sure these elders (who didn't accept their prince's chosen successors heir) have put their most faithful men to make life difficult for the brothers.

in addition I believe that the demon king did not accept the diavolo's choice very well, it is very likely that he also shares the antiquated ideals of his avatars, but as he could not interfere with the choice of his son (because whether he likes it or not, it's the son who was going to take over) he would simply let his avatars take care of the successors and look the other way.

It is clear that it is the right of the future demon king to choose his most faithful, and that the previous king cannot/should not interfere in this matter, but it is also the duty of the future king to watch over the future of his kingdom and if his subjects do not like the brother...... well it won't be his fault that the silly boy has chosen a bunch of little angels to play house with, right? and he can't even complain because a king must always look out for the well being of his people...

(this is why lucifer is so paranoid about Diavolo's reputation, because he knows his predecessor and that nasty peacock knew very well how to find weakness)

ok , as far as I know in cannon (obey-me) it was never said about the previous avatars of the brothers, nor how was their adaptation period.

following this theory, we can think that in the time when the demon king was awake there were 7 avatars of the capital sins before the brothers, most likely they (the brothers) had to kill their predecessors / take down their predecessors since in the cannon itself said that the current order of devildom was created by the ideology of Diavolo.

in this case, one can think that devildom at that time was much more bloody and barbaric than we thought, possibly following the ideology of clans and hierarchical separation aimed at the strength of demons.

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Ok so I was wondering if it's been mentioned anywhere whether the brothers have been demons for longer than they were angels? I'm just thinking if Satan has been in the family longer than Lilith was...

It hasn't been mentioned BUT

I have a theory, created through canon, filled with speculation where canon left gaps and spiced with blasphemy because this is OM! and that's a given at this point

In Lesson 11-7 Mammon says he's over 5000 yrs old

Creationists believe Earth to be around the same age (around 6000). The whole Adam & Eve and The Forbidden Fruit thing was supposed to have happened around the same time too.

Despite taking parts of religion for its lore OM! does not follow religion and doesn't seem to follow Creationism (Mammon mentions years in the millions, Dinosaurs were mentioned once or twice while I think they don't appear in creationism? I'm not 100% sure how the dinosaur thing works in it tbh)

I believe OM! Lilith feeding her human lover forbidden food from the Celestial Realm (to heal him) is OM!'s version of The Forbidden Fruit. So it happened over 500 years go.

In a lot of places it feels like the brothers consider their lives in the Celestial Realm separate from their ones in the Devildom despite the fact that they haven't changed much personality wise. And that makes sense because after the Fall you could even go as far as to say that they were reborn as Demons because of the way that even their bodies and magic changed

So when Mammon says he's over 5000 years my theory is that he meant he's been a demon for over 5000 years.

If ^ that's true then it means that Satan's full (physical -> because Satan manifested as a partially conscious being in Lucifer even before Asmo was created) age is the same (so 5000-6000 years).

Satan was probably a child when he was created because the game says Lucifer spent time raising him and because it's heavily hinted that Mammon spent time raising him as well (link)

So it took Satan maximum 5000-6000 years to grow from a child to someone who looks like he's in his 20s (the game says Satan's going through his rebellious teenage stage but I think that's just a constant with Satan and not a phase)

The brothers still looked the same as they do now when they Fell meaning they grew from newly created angels to looking like they were in their 20s while in the Celestial Realm (so max 5000-6000 years)

The brothers fought in the War against the Demons for a significant amount of time - long enough for Levi to be made a General and Mammon & Beel to be moved up the Angel hierarchy. One can assume (and pray) they were all full grown adults when they entered the War.

So they entered the War at 5000-6000 years and spent an unknown but significantly long time fighting in the War. They then spent more (yet a relatively smaller amount of) time in a truce before their Rebellion

So with this theory, they've spent more time with Lilith than they have with Satan (despite Satan's consciousness technically forming long before Lilith was created)

When writing fics I like to say the brothers (minus Satan) are actually millions of years old because I like the idea of MC seeing this ancient, eldritch creature and going "I'm gonna smooch that"

Obey-me/Castevlania headcannon 2

Following this theory

🦇 The first 1,500 years the brothers were agitated because there were dangers everywhere, they had to quickly adapt to the new instincts, laws and culture of their new home.

🦇 Lucife more than the others had to face a "battle" from several sides to keep his brothers safe.

🦇 His predecessor did not accept his position as the prince's right-hand man, because of his background in the celestial kingdom, even though he was recognized as the successor of the avatar of pride.

🦇 He (the predecessor) did everything to disturb Lucifer, in a discreet way, he was always the biggest threat against the brothers even in his "retirement", he still knew how to use the brothers' behavior against them.

"After all, how can a child of the celestial kingdom know more about demons than the demons themselves?"

🦇 That's where luci's paranoia about tarnishing the diavolo's reputation came from.

🦇 Lucifer had his first contact with the Belmort in the 3rd generation in which the family was founded, as they already had a very good reputation in the 3 kingdoms.

🦇 Let's just say that his predecessor disappeared through mysterious means.

🦇 It was a win/win for both sides, luci gains his position and maintains an alliance with the belmot clan and the belmot doesn't have to worry about excessive demonic kills/attacks besides having a new weapon.

🦇 That's when they got the morning star.

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