I Keep Seeing This Post By J0nsas, That When Sansa Is In The Eyrie And Laments That No One Will Ever

I keep seeing this post by J0nsas, that when Sansa is in the Eyrie and laments that no one will ever marry her for love, the chapter that follows hers is a Jon chapter, as if that is supposed to be foreshadowing.

Well, how about this:

Daenerys I, A Dance with Dragons

Five Aegons had ruled the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. There would have been a sixth, but the Usurper’s dogs had murdered her brother’s son when he was still a babe at the breast. If he had lived, I might have married him.

And wanna know whose chapter follows directly after this one? That’s right, Aegon Targaryen’s…I mean, Jon Snow. Ohh and what is memorable line from the first page of that Jon chapter?

“Snow,” the moon murmured.

Jon I, A Dance with Dragons

And who do we know who is called the moon? Hmm…I wonder…?

What's up with the BATB thing in Jonerys? XD Do you really think that they will have that kind of vibes in the books?

Its GRRM we are talking about , he lives for this theme!  He is probably the next big fan of this trope after Guillermo Del Toro LOL. Jaime and Brienne? BaTB reverse in aesthetic, Jaime and Cersei? a fluid Beauty and the Beast dynamic. Sansa and Sandor? Literally BaTB by Jean Cocteau played straight. 

So Jonerys would not be any different either considering he has been foreshadowing their meeting since day one. There is a fluid dynamic of “monster” and other going in with both Jon and Dany in the sense that Dany has been called monster, other and witch by her enemies and even at her lowest Dany calls herself “mother of monsters” . But Dany is not those things. She is a mother, one of the most beautiful women known to world, her nature is of a maiden who takes the role of fertility goddess and growth ( planting trees, crops, building irrigation canal in desert , finding a wasteland with peach tree, lemon and moon symbolism everywhere, she rose from ashes and charnal ground to give birth to new life of dragons , symbol of life and fire and freedom which is also a reference to Hindu Goddess Parvati giving birth Ganesha from her own flesh in the abode of charnal ground of her husband Shiv  ) so she is Beauty and have the nature of Beauty archetype.

from Encyclopedia Britannica [1] Shiva and his family at the burning ground. Parvati, Shiva’s wife, holds Skanda

Jon is also called a bastard, an “Other” to Westerosi society who by nature are born traitor and lusty and dishonorable , he has been Othered his entire life. He is also or was in TWOW the Lord Commander of Night’s Watch where there is no growth and no children and hardly any fertility associated plant life. Its stagnation, almost a stand in for underworld. Jon is the “father” of this institution and when he gets resurrected , he would be literally the master of both life and death ( a Hero’s journey stage by Campbell) who , like an otherworldly being can light metal on fire with his blood like Beric Dondorrian , doesn’t need to eat or sleep , his mentality wouldn’t be of a human but would be more feral, like an animal like his direwolf Ghost ( unlike the show, Ghost is a part of him and he would be involeved 50% in keeping Jon alive again since he will house his soul like another warg did with  his warg animal Varamyr) 

So even before they meet their BaTB dynamic is pretty much established from the get go. There is something of, i cannot yet pinpoint how yet because they have not yet met but i feel there would a reference to Frankestein monster with them considering Jon is also given life against the cycle of nature like Creature and Dany also lived when she shouldn’t have when she became the unburned , unlike the lady-creature Victor made for his to be Creature’s companion but destroyed because he couldn’t propagate “abomination” ( a reference to incest but mostly for modern audience) 

There is BaTB vibe for Jonerys even before they met and its basically a sign to look out for all the romantic pairs of this series , since GRRM experiments with it plenty with all of them ( there is an exploration of its various facets and limits with Sansa and Dany especially with their varios “Other” suitors and husbands and betroths like Littlefinger, Willas, Tyrion, Daario, Hizdar, Victorian, Jon, Drogo, Xaro and so on) . 

Jon, Daenerys, & Wife Stealing.

And when the Thief was in the Moonmaid, that was a propitious time for a man to steal a woman, Ygritte insisted. "Like the night you stole me. The Thief was bright that night."

"I never meant to steal you," he said. "I never knew you were a girl until my knife was at your throat."

"If you kill a man, and never mean t', he's just as dead," Ygritte said stubbornly. 

A Storm of Swords, Jon III

If he loved you, he would come and carry you off at swordpoint, as Rhaegar carried off his northern girl, the girl in her insisted, but the queen knew that was folly. Even if her captain was mad enough to attempt it, the Brazen Beasts would cut him down before he got within a hundred yards of her.

A Dance With Dragons, Daenerys VII

Amongst the free folk, when a man desires a woman, he steals her, and thus proves his strength, his cunning, and his courage. The suitor risks a savage beating if he is caught  by the woman's kin, and worse than that if she herself finds him unworthy.

A Dance With Dragons, Jon XIII

I'm quite convinced that if when Jon & Daenerys finally meet in the upcoming books, there's gonna be some symbolic wife-stealing going on. Ever since Jon accidentally stole Ygritte, wife-stealing as proof of a man's love & ability to provide has been a reoccurring theme in his narrative with the Free Folk. And here we have Daenerys, halfway across the world with no exposure to the custom, wishing that Daario, a man whom she is very much in love with, would steal her away at swordpoint as proof of his love for her. She even compares the daydream to what she believes happened between Rhaegar & Lyanna, where her much-idolized older brother "carried off his northern girl." The thought of a man she desires carrying her off in the night clearly seems quite romantic to her.

I think Jon will somehow "carry off" Daenerys, symbolically making them man & wife. and unlike when he first took Ygritte, this wife-stealing won't be an accident. Maybe he'll even do it when the Thief is in the Moonmaid. (note: throughout the books Daenerys is associated with the moon & lunar imagery a lot.)

But I think the irony of the situation will come in here:

"He's of my village. You know nothing, Jon Snow. A true man steals a woman from afar, t' strengthen the clan. Women who bed brothers or fathers or clan kin offend the gods, and are cursed with weak and sickly children. Even monsters."

A Storm of Swords, Jon III

When Jon steals/falls in love with/marries/allies with Daenerys, he'll be under the impression that he's "strengthening the clan" (aka his family & the North itself) by partnering a woman who he believes to be as far from being kin as one could possibly get. Only to find out, lo and behold, they've secretly been aunt & nephew this whole time! oops : /

In GRRM’s books, he seems to hold true to the expression of ‘Third time’s the Charm’ and the results are different the third time something happens…

So if we take the Pact of Ice and Fire, which was :

The Pact of Ice and Fire was an alliance between Houses Stark and Targaryen arranged during the Dance of the Dragons.

At the start of the civil war, Prince Jacaerys Velaryon flew to Winterfell to gain House Stark and the North for the cause of his mother, Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen.[1][2]

According to Mushroom, Prince Jacaerys secretly married Lord Cregan Stark’s bastard sister, Sara Snow, which led to the pact. It was agreed that the firstborn daughter of Prince Jacaerys would marry Lord Cregan’s son and heir, Rickon.[3] Lord Roderick Dustin led the Winter Wolves to join the blacks, while House Manderly also contributed knights to Rhaenyra’s side.[1] Lord Cregan himself led a host to King’s Landing near the end of the war, but they arrived after the death of King Aegon II Targaryen.[2] Cregan briefly governed in the capital as Hand of the King during the Hour of the Wolf.[4]Although a royal princess never did marry into the Starks, Cregan gained many rewards for his support of King Aegon III Targaryen.[5]

Then we have Rhaegar and Lyanna and that ended in disaster.

Maybe Jon and Dany will finally make the pact of Ice and Fire and this time they will marry and actually make that alliance official….

I keep seeing this post by J0nsas, that when Sansa is in the Eyrie and laments that no one will ever marry her for love, the chapter that follows hers is a Jon chapter, as if that is supposed to be foreshadowing.

Well, how about this:

Daenerys I, A Dance with Dragons

Five Aegons had ruled the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. There would have been a sixth, but the Usurper’s dogs had murdered her brother’s son when he was still a babe at the breast. If he had lived, I might have married him.

And wanna know whose chapter follows directly after this one? That’s right, Aegon Targaryen’s…I mean, Jon Snow. Ohh and what is memorable line from the first page of that Jon chapter?

“Snow,” the moon murmured.

Jon I, A Dance with Dragons

And who do we know who is called the moon? Hmm…I wonder…?

Daenerys and Jon, their parallels, and their journeys as leaders and rulers

(I’m reposting this in an attempt to make it appear in the tags)

There are many metas detailing the parallels between Jon and Dany. But I don’t think I’ve seen many that focus on their actions as leaders and rulers. And often, I read things like “Jon and Dany complement each other because Dany is a conqueror and Jon is an administrator/ruler”, or things like “Jon is a rebuilder and Dany is a destroyer”, and I feel like these are not good assessments of Jon and Dany. So I wanted to write my own Jon/Dany parallel meta, showing both their general parallels, and how similar I think these two are as rulers, and where I think they differ.

In this meta, I won’t talk about the foreshadowing for Jon and Dany’s romantic relationship, only about their parallels. Even then, this is still a very long meta, but I think it’s worth it, because Jon and Dany have tons of parallels (to me, it’s almost as if they were the same character having the same story in different locations), and I think their parallels are fascinating.

These are the topics of this meta:

General Parallels

Jon and Dany becoming leaders

Jon and Dany as rulers

Jon and Dany are both conquerors

Compromises and Identity Crisis

Conclusion

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