About A Water Lover

About a water lover

Water men (sun in scorpio/sun in pisces/sun in cancer//sun in 4th/8th/12th house)

1. As authentic as it can get, they tell emotional truth, they tell what they feel, they tell what they think, exactly as it is, no artificial colours, as real as it can get. Often they are not interested in the material ends like money, power, status, but they are interested in the process and the work, since they are very self aware they like to observe themselves how they evolve and grow with effort and work. They need to put the effort to push their boundaries and really grow themselves, realize their potential. This is why, they focus on the process not the goal and once they reach the goal, they pick another goal and dedicate themselves to it.

2. Introverted nature, dont like crowded places, they question everything because they are not concerned with conformity. They will not pretend to be someone just to impress others, you dont like it? Please move on.

3. Want emotional security as much as possible. In relationship, material life, friendships, they want and give emotional security. It is about reciprocation, no hypocrisy. They are very concerned about their ethics and values. They cannot do or say anything that makes them feel ashamed of themselves or lose their self respect. There is core fear of abandonment which is balanced with relationships and friendships where they give a lot of emotional security because it also makes them feel emotionally secure in return.

4. They hide their undesirable emotions like anger, shame, insecurity and actively work on them. On the exterior they will appear cool like ice cube but when probed they show their anger which can be very dangerous and intense, so this appearance on outside can be illusory.

5. Prone to low confidence issue. Especially when sun is in water sign or house, it does not shine bright like in air or fire or earth. In water, sun is submerged and cold. Like a lava ball in Pacific, sun in water sign feels limitation in shining brightly in material world. To the contrary, this sun shines brightly in the spiritual world which makes them very self aware, emotionally intelligent and spiritually awakened. When sun is in the water sign or house, it illuminates what is underwater, spiritual, emotional; it illuminates the depths as opposed to the heights of the sky. It is very literal association but easy to understand this way if you look at this diagram:

6. They are all about depths and not the heights. But depths and heights are not too far away, as above so below-you know? The deeper you go, the higher you reach. It is about that enlightenment and awakening that society in general does not talk about and appears like a very niche group. For example, if other people are religious for community purpose, solidarity, practice etc then the native is religious because of its core philosophy, idealism, beliefs.

7. Aware of their mortality and not afraid of death. They want to live a life that they are prepared for death when it comes and are not ashamed of anything they did. This is another reason for their authenticity. They also prioritize mental peace over noise/music/sound because they are already acquainted with the chaos in their mind, they dont need any more of that.

8. Of course with the task of spiritual development, they need money, lifestyle and services too, they do not neglect the material life unless they are ascetic in which case Ketu the signification of detachment and separation comes into play.

9. Finally, there is not enough time in life to do self actualization. It is an endless journey, perhaps there is no end, perhaps death is not the end either. Water men know this and so they make the most of their time in life and strive to do as much self expression as possible.

Water men (moon in cancer/scorpio/pisces//moon in 4th/8th/12th houses)

1. Either very talkative or very reserved. When they talk, they appear like such extroverts but then can appear like introverts when they retreat to their solitude.

2. They think and feel or feel and think because both functions are interconnected. But it is not think or feel for them. Emotions are as important to them as reasoning.

3. What do women want in relationships? Emotional security; and who can give that? Water men. Emotional security is also guarantee for loyalty because they won't have sex with someone they are not emotionally connected with and interested in. Sex is not about adventure or power or confidence boost or ego stroke to them, sex is rather about surrender, transformation and dissolution to them. They want to dissolve in the arms of their lover, they want to merge and lose control. They want to exter that state between death and rebirth, where they are transformed and reborn. They crave that little rebirth.

4. Water men can be either immature or mature. Maturity does not mean perfection, maturity means self awareness. Maturity means if they make mistake, they are aware enough to identify it, accept it and correct it. Maturity does not mean that they are flawless and make no fuck ups, maturity means they have experience, wisdom and depth, something more than their age to show that they have lived a life.

5. Water men want water women because it is only them who can understand their nuances, desires, fears, complexity and needs. Who else can understand their needs? Fire will boil them and air will blow over them. Water will mix with water and earth will give them the bed of the ocean. I am associating symbols with zodiac signs because it makes them easy to understand since we are aware of the nature of elements.

6. Please dont try to befriend them if you are both not compatible. They are looking for friends who will not hurt them emotionally, who will keep them grounded and stable, who will understand their chaotic nature. A friend who understand you is an asset, he is more valuable than 100 people with buckets of gold. They really put effort into emotional  bonding, they know the value of their time and that only those who are also willing and capable of bonding with them are welcome in their life. They know the effort and time it takes to create emotional bond, so they only do it with those who are worthy of it. This is why they are very selective in their social networking and prefer few chosen ones only. This is also the reason for stereotype of being possessive because they dont want you to be adulterated by someone else, they dont want someone else to influence you, they dont want someone else to create bond with you. You are a canvas and they are the artist. You are their painting and theirs only, okay? And this service is reciprocal, they are yours and yours only, okay? Promise? It is a mixture of innocence and insecurities but the right person will understand. In case of an immature water man, this possessiveness can be toxic and pathological, but in case of mature water man, it is authenticity and surrender. "You are my painting and mine only":

7. What is this emotional bonding that I speak of? It is your thoughts aligning with their, your ideas resembling them, your traits similar to them. It shows you are a reliable person, someone they can rely on in danger and weakness. Someone who will stand by them in dark times and not run away in cowardice. Someone who will give them as much as they take. It can a very passionate and mentally peaceful bonding. Passionate because emotional moon and peaceful because they are striving to give you security.

8. Why are they so loyal and faithful? Because sex is not really about pleasure, it is about confidence, power. We somehow think that somebody who has sex with a lot of people does it because they love orgasm and pleasures but it is not really about that. Only that person can love who knows how to love, otherwise it is just for confidence boosting and to feel powerful. Since water people are the only ones who truly know how to lose control and surrender, they are the only ones who can make love for the sake of love. Water people are the only ones who can set aside their insecurities and fears, and make love just for the ritual and pleasure of it. I don't know why someone who does not have a water placement will claim to know what it feels like to make love.

"Love is like God; both give themselves only to their bravest knights" - Carl Jung.

Note = A birthchart also has other inner planets and placements that can influence the overall personality and preference of the man. I am confident this post will resonate with most water placements but if something doesn't click please avoid accepting that.

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astro notes about air signs

astro notes about 8th house placements

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venus in 8th house observations

emotional people/Scorpio/cancer/pisces/4th/8th/12th house placements

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Scorpio/8th house dominant/stellium: Social circle.

Descending into the unconscious

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8th house placement observations

venus in 8th house & relationship trauma

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personality development for 8th housers

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friendly advice for 8th houser

innocence of 8th houser/scorpio

secret life of 8th housers

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Venus in 8th house: why do they turn ice cold?

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learning to handle life.

trust your perception. No matter what.

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projection and astrology

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Falling in love as a water dominant native

ASTRO AND LITERATURE/CINEMA 🎥

astro and babadook movie

metamorphosis and astro

eternal sunshine of the spotless mind

To, Mr. Darcy

a little prince quotes for signs

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Venus in scorpio/8th house/conjuct pluto/scorpio rising/pluto in 1st house: Malena

Envy, lust, provokes insecurities in others, provokes sexual desires, provokes fear and shame in others. Manipulative, controlling, abusive lovers. Men who are immature, infantile and puer aeternus are attracted to her, obsessed with her, want to use her, take advantage of her. Why do spiritually powerful women attract perverts and parasites? What is the pattern here? What is written in fates?

Charming, magnetic, sensual, feminine. Her silence captivates and threatens. Why doesn't she speak? What does she hide? Why is she so private? Why doesn't she smile? Why is she so powerful? Her life is transformed after marriage, after the news of death of her husband, after death of her father, after court trial where she was accused of adultery, after social beating and outcast. Her looks transform with seasons of life. Self destruction and reconstruction. Renewal of identity. Renewal of spirit.

Attention puller. Men of all ages are obsessed with her. She is so powerful that the whole town hates her. Witch hunting. Subject of sexual fantasies. Character assassination. Stalker, abuse, voyeurism, sex, sex and sex. Life is sex, life is libido. She corrupts everyone, a home wrecker? Nah, all she does is provoke the darkness and shame in men, just with her existence. Slut shaming and abuse. Insecure women are her enemy - if only they could see their ugliness. Death and rebirth, tragedy of life, dark days - darker than the darkest.

When I watched this movie, I found nothing funny about it. Not the silliest of jokes, not the desires of the kid boy. If anything, this movie was scary to watch because I know that women are actually treated this way, especially women with dark astrological placements. What is the life lesson here? Justice - we cannot trust the courts of law. What is the punishment for somebody's envy and insecurity? Darkness is treated with darkness. The strongest poisons make the best medicines.

Hii ❤️ if u don't mind me asking , I heard from an astrologer that venus in 8th house people will get their heart broken at least ones ( like this will happen ), what do u think ? What do u think ?

Hello,

Venus in 8th house signifies many things (1) karmic relationship which means attracting partners who resemble the childhood pattern you had with your caretaker (2) controlling, toxic, psychically penetrating, power control relationship (3) trauma, death and rebirth, transformation and healing.

What makes venus in 8th house so self destructive is the destiny/fate/life pattern/life events that happen similarly in all natives with this placement. No matter if they were born in Japan or Great Britain, all venus in 8th house natives will live similar life themes especially in terms of romance because venus (1) rules libra/7th house and taurus/2nd house (2) venus signifies romance, emotions, relationship contract and (3) venus is concerned with wealth, luxury, sensual pleasures and comfort of life.

What makes 8th house so special is that (1) house of death and rebirth, the two most sacred events of life (2) house of transformation and change which is the law of nature just how a seed sprouts into a plant then grows into a tree and bears fruits.

When we are young, naive, immature, we fear change, our expectations are that of 'hopeless romantic forever love', we confuse 'validation seeking and codependency with love', we are 'narcissistic and think that how you make me feel is called love', our expectations are that of fantasy and what we see in movies is what we think is love.

Venus in 8th house is the blessing in disguise because it helps you see how fictitious your beliefs and ideas were. It helps you see that the people in this world are living blindly and ignorantly. It opens your intuitive side and probes you into the depths of the psyche.

Yes, venus in 8th house does give heart break because the relationships are based in impulsivity, irrational, emotional, magical attitude. It is not the person you enter in relationship with but their fantasy, an image, an ideal. You are a damsel in distress who falls in trauma bond with a fictitious messiah, not the real person. Once you heal from this heart break, you are spiritually empowered, emotionally intelligent and psychically transformed. You mature into a stronger and better version of yourself. You are fearless, aware of your mortality and really powerful because you know what it feels like to die and reborn. What happens is that a young venus in 8th houser is a pick me girl who matures into a queen energy.

Before heart break: Venus in 8th houser girl is broken, attachment issues, insecure, clingy, confused, magical thinking, thinks her hero will rescue her/fix her/save her; "we settle with the love we think we deserve"; doormat girl and all this happens because she has not done any self work. She is so so insecure, it is tragedy.

After heart break: She really really matures. Her psychological maturity is magnetic and powerful. She is psychically penetrating and can see the undertones of energy in people. Now she is secure in herself, she knows her worth, values her time, lives with the flow of energy, is passionate, deep, intense and so wise. She knows emotional patterns because she spends a lot of time in self introspection, finding meaning in life, seeing interconnection between people and events, she is a healer and someone who is really into the exploration of subconscious and unconscious treasures. This is a drastic transformation and ideally this will take a long time but it is the final product.

And then you attract another partner, one who resembles your new emotional patterns and this is much much satisfying relationship. I am not making it up, if you have venus in 8th house, be assured you will feel these words in your soul when it happens to you. It is as if all venus in 8th housers speak the same language. The magical thinking that probes venus in 8th housers in traumatic relationship is the same magical thinking that they later use in divination, astrology, tarot, witchcraft. They learn to put their magical gift to better use that is esoteric and spirituality. You see how the ladies who are into esoteric and occult fields are so confident, self-righteous in a good way and are really deep/calming/peaceful. Even the men with venus in 8th house also are very much into spirituality, occult and esoteric.

Why are Scorpio placements eccentric or unconventional?

This is in reply to a post by @astroismypassion and about Scorpio placements in general.

1. It intrigued me to know that scorpio placements strive to be unconventional and subjective in terms of academics, romance, hobbies, friends and even thoughts, ideas, opinions. They actively want to be different from the herd walk and frequently use the metric "Is everybody doing it? If yes then it is not worth doing. I will do what nobody else is doing." There is also the tendency to enjoy time by oneself alone and be very self aware of their behaviour, words, actions, emotions, thoughts, reactions. Once you identify what a scorpio looks like, you can start seeing a pattern in how MATURE scorpios think, act and live. They are all quite the same or similar.

2. Scorpio is the sign that falls on 8th house and is ruled by Mars and Ketu (vedic) or Pluto (tropical). Almost all mature scorpios have inclination towards self actualization because their feeling function is dominating. Since their method of relating to others is feeling based, they are very aware of how other people act and behave. They reflect upon themselves and find if they have the same qualities as others. It makes them yearn for originality and being unique, especially if their ego and self esteem is weak. One can say that scorpios have the predisposition towards being initiated in terms of spiritual and psychological development.

3. Since 8th house also deals with sudden, tumultuous and catastrophic events in life, scorpios are deeply affected by life events and strive to transform themselves in ways that they can control their life better, avoid pitfalls the next time catastrophe happens and fear losing control or being powerless. They cannot just take it lightly because it is about their power and power is a necessary evil in life.

4. My next theory is that all of us are acting on our active complexes. Carl Jung said about emotions that they are the involuntary reactions from active complexes. He said that emotions and feelings are not synonymous but different. Feeling, sensation, thinking, intuition are psychological functions while emotion is the fire that fuels the behaviour in the native. What it means is that a self aware person knows that their behaviour stems from a core complex and they yearn to solve that problem rather than live in neurotic state with intense guilt, shame, regret and self criticism. For example, they can identify mommy issues in themselves and others; once they identify, they try to outgrow the complex and overcome embarrassing behaviours.

There can be no transforming of darkness into light and of apathy into movement without emotion.

5. Scorpio can also be said to have primitive tendencies because of their preoccupation with the collective unconscious. They are always reading, judging, thinking others and doing self reflection. They are thinking of why people are the way they are, what is their shadow side, insecurities, weaknesses, psychological issues? With high self awareness comes also the awareness of karma or action/reaction. They are moved by the suffering, sickness, poverty, problems in the world and fear they might face the same fate if they do not live in high morality and ethics.

6. For most of the air/fire signs, it can be said that they are so insecure in so many ways that they do not even know how much they are lacking, but water sign's sensitivity gives them ability to read the room and actively work on their psychological development. As for the claim that scorpio placements look down upon others as being superficial, I think this happens because of their life circumstances and bitter life lessons that make them go deeper, psychoanalyze themselves and others, find deeper meaning in life and deal with intense complexes constantly.

7. As to why scorpio males and females act differently, we might have to look into places outside astrology like how society works, culture, how society treats men v/s women, what kind of behaviours are rewarded and know that behaviour is not proof of inner life. A promiscuous scorpio is not like that because they like sex so much or they like to charm others, it might be because they feel so powerless in other area of their life that promiscuity gives them power over some people & makes them feel important. The opposite of Scorpio is Taurus which is concerned with stability, rigidity and loyalty. Loyalty is about self preservation, not wanting to lose what they have invested in, emotional security and expectation that "if I stay loyal, my partner will also reciprocate too".

8. To conclude, signs and houses should be viewed together in opposites because they exist like that in consciousness and shadow. As I have matured, I begin to see that people cannot be viewed in polarities and indeed scorpio placements will display the traits of taurus even if is it an empty house because they are trying to understand themselves through people and events.

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Survival Of The Fittest

For those who are affected by Scorpio/8th house/12th house: scorpio rising/moon in scorpio/venus in scorpio/moon in 8th house/venus in 8th house/pluto in 1st house/pluto in 8th house/pluto in 12th house/12th lord in 8th house/7th lord in 8th house/8th lord in 7th house/inner planets in 8th house/Saturn in 8th house/Sun in 12th house

The phrase 'Survival Of the Fittest' was coined by Herbert Spencer after he was inspired by Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species. Spencer drew parallels between his own economic theories and Darwin's biological theories and said "This survival of the fittest, which I have here sought to express in mechanical terms, is that which Mr. Darwin has called 'natural selection', or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life." We, in astro community, can draw a similar parallel to the astrological theories that indicate a difficult emotional, psychological, mental, physical, fated and spiritual life. Even Carl Jung associated collective unconscious to the genetic memory that exists in all of humanity universally.

Survival of the fittest means that organisms that are better adapted to their environment are best suited to survive and successfully reproduce. It also explains how evolution occurs in species by means of natural selection of those traits that are better adapted to a given set of environmental conditions. We read all this in school textbooks and forget it all when we walk into the real world.

Having difficult 8th house/12th house placements is like the Sisyphean task when he was condemned to roll a boulder up a hill, only to have it fall near the top, forcing him to start over and over again. This is what it feels like to be battling the unknown, unseen, intangible psychic forces of the 8th and 12th houses that emerge in the awareness from time to time endlessly. You are stuck in a situation that you cannot explain in words so you seek answers in symbolism, esoteric, dreams, psychology, magic and otherworldly pursuits because your problems are simply not visible to the naked eyes.

4. The paradox of life is that even though we are born with difficult life stories, the world does not have space for the weak, dependent, miserable. On one hand, this creates isolation, victim mentality, bitterness, "nobody understands me", "society is so insensitive to mental health issues". But on the other hand, we realize that we are just animals, some really smart animals that can think, write, civilize, earn money, reproduce, make laws, run the system, yet we are just animals in the hands of natural laws. The law of nature, therefore, is survival of the fittest, to become strong, adapt, improvise, improve, evolve, grow.

5. The point of this post is not laziness but exhaustion/victim mindset/bitterness/feeling left behind tendencies in native who had to spend a lot of times in healing, battling their psychological issues that appear invisible to the physical eyes and living with a sense of "what is wrong with me?"

6. To them, I just want to say that do not let the exhaustion tear you down. The environments of 8th and 12th houses are such emergency provoking, life threatening, dark, hidden, unknown, distant from physical life, invisible to naked eyes, emotionally draining and psychically charged. How you learn to accept your fate and live along with it is in your hands. I too had to come to terms with the constant ups and downs of my story, the sudden detours and catastrophe of my story, sometimes the sadistic undertones and stagnancy of my story, but in the end I realized that I was the saviour to my own fallen angel. Whether it is my past life karma, intergenerational karma or random allotment of fates, I would not live in bitterness and envy of those who have it easier, better and colourful. Learning to adapt to the environments of 8th and 12th houses is a real challenge, a very difficult one, not written in books but usually comes to knowedge intuitively and that is why it is so hard to understand and codify in language.

7. Finally, I do not have any advice or rulebook for 8th/12th housers, for each person has their own unique solution. I would just like to say that time is running out, you have already seen the theme of your life until now, be brave, pull yourself up and make peace with your traumatic memories. And maybe, find attract people who are also in a similar attitude as you. People who understand when you say "No I don't want to watch a movie right now, I want to journal some of my thoughts and emotions."