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ACTOR DUO KISSES/MOMENTS: Christina Ricci + Devon Sawa

NOW AND THEN (1995) / CASPER (1995)

CASPER, dir. Brad Silberling (1995)

Can I keep you?

And again about Christina Ricci. I think it would be funny to write a crossover between "Casper" and "Beetlejuice 2". Now that the two films are one universe, an older Kat has married Casper, so he's now human (if I understand the rules correctly). They are the same age because they somehow learned about this rule shortly after the events of the film. Lydia tells Astrid (and Beetlejuice, who is still with them) that her distant relative Kat, whom she last saw in the nineties, is coming to visit them. There will definitely be a lot of jokes about loving ghosts here.

I'm watching the London Special. Since I'm used to watching "Ladybug" dubbed into my native language, and now I'm watching it in French with subtitles, the word "coccinelle" associating with the song "The Wall Between Us" and the moment when Lenni-Kim supposedly calls Lou that while performing the song on the radio. Please allow me to leave my little headcanon here that he jokingly called her that on set.

Ma petite coccinelle...

Sorry, I got a little distracted.

Beetlejuice 2 Thoughts

Lydia doesn't freak out at the end screaming when she wakes up either time. Nor demanding answers. Nor checking that he's truly gone. It's like when you wake up and are shocked your spouse is not next to you when you've dreamt about them. Plus, the sheets and pillowcase are wrinkled on "his side" while she stays on her side on her back in her own area. She's shocked but not terrified like she was during the beginning of the film where she had panic attacks when she saw him.

He never tried to force her to kiss him during the wedding or any other time after her refusal during the couple therapy session. He didn't force himself onto her like Rory did constantly. She didn't push Beetlejuice off or stop him from kissing her hand. She's not grossed out but doesn't like it when Rory tries to kiss her at any time.

He knew Rory was using her and thought it was about time Lydia knew without him trying to convince her. He waits until she's about to marry Rory then makes him reveal the truth. Thought it was interesting Beetlejuice didn't say anything during the couple's therapy session. Maybe he was trying to show Lydia that Rory wasn't who he was by scaring him until he fainted and Rory denying the situation. Maybe even punishment for not taking Lydia's warnings seriously and Beetlejuice punishing him for how he treated Lydia allowing her to give Rory the final blow to the face.

She's not angry at Beetlejuice when he taped her mouth. It's more like "Really? We're doing this?" Like an annoyed friend who's used to it then she somehow figured out how to get it off allowing his antics then questions his stalking and not defending Rory or checking on him even when they got back their world.

Hesitates accepting Rory's "affections" including his proposal. She doesn't really want to marry him. She tries to convince herself she loves Rory. She doesn't really care for his presence. Beetlejuice, on the other hand, she immediately agreed to marry him without hesitation. She doesn't fight him off during the wedding scene or tries to back out.

Delores automatically gets jealous over the picture of teenage Lydia on Beetlejuice's desk. She doesn't know who Lydia is so why was her immediate reaction pure jealousy?

Astrid never rejects Beetlejuice's suggestion of calling him Dad. As outspoken as Astrid is and how much she misses her Dad, Richard, she doesn't say anything even after the contract was voided. She smiles when Beetlejuice sends Jeremy to Hell. Even Richard smiles.

Lydia's only excuse for not marrying Beetlejuice was their age difference. Nothing else. Not his personality, not his antics, not his stalking, not unrequited love, not even the way he looked and he was dead. Just the age difference. You'd think after being terrorized and angry that he's back and screaming at him to get out of her life, that she would have given him better reasons.

Lydia never makes a remark of never loving him or it's never going to happen between them. Even when he serenades her with Richard Marx. She's not grossed out or snapping at him. She's just watching him.

Every time he calls her "Honey" she doesn't protest. Never protested about her wedding dress like she did with Rory's wedding dress suggestions. Never protested on his analogy of them being like Bonnie and Clyde. Never questioned him when he said he wanted to remarry the love of his life (her).

She grieved Richard which sent her to the group where she met Rory but showed no real remorse when she saw him again. She doesn't hug him or kiss him goodbye. No tears. No closure talk of how much she missed him or how he felt. She doesn't try to remarry him to revive him for Astrid's sake. They act like they are friends with no romance between them. They could have passed for siblings almost the way they interacted. Beetlejuice could have intervened dragging her away but he doesn't, instead he takes Richard's place at the window so Lydia and Astrid can have the closure they need.

Wedding scene gave Labyrinth Ballroom dancing scene vibes. Immortal man singing his feelings to the woman he loves. The girl is conflicted with her feelings. Same look from the women as the man sings to her. Gaping at him.

Lydia's look of regret/remorse when Beetlejuice blows up when she sends him away.

Doesn't burn the model like she demands earlier to prevent seeing him again.

Lydia never thanked Beetlejuice for his help with Astrid, Rory, or Delia.

Richard never tried reaching out to Lydia or Astrid when he checked in on him. No connection but Lydia has connections with other ghosts so it's not because he's less powerful than Beetlejuice. While Beetlejuice has a connection with Lydia for 30 years. You'd think Richard would have tried to find a way to connect to them. Meanwhile there's Beetlejuice.

What happened to the book at the end of Beetlejuice talking about the Living and Dead coexisting?

Beetlejuice doesn't put a ring on Lydia's hand during their second wedding. He takes his time with her compared to the first film (granted she was a teenager and Burton wasn't going to have it). He just wants to spend time with her as much as he can telling her how he feels and romancing her in his own way.

Beetlejuice doesn't stop Lydia from saying this name like he did with the tape during the couple's therapy session.

Delores and Rory would be a perfect villain couple going up against Beetlejuice and Lydia along with Delia and Charles as their side team. Maybe an actual love interest for Astrid too. The battle between the couples would be awesome. Delores seemed quite taken with Rory when she saw him and he immediately stayed close to her including wrapping his arm around her. And we know you can come back from being eaten by a sandworm.

The interviews of the actors are shipping the couple. They don't brush it off but encourage it. It's like they are teasing for a third film to see how people react. If they weren't, why promote the romance between them so much all of a sudden? Even Warner Brothers studios promoted a fan's video that emphasized the Beetlejuice/Lydia romance. Even the studio.

Michael always talks like he's still Beetlejuice and Winona is still Lydia after wrapping up filming. "Ask her. She'll tell you. She said secretly wants to marry me." "Secretly, we're kind of in love with each other. She secretly wants to marry me." Admitted they have definite chemistry. And they'd thought that for a long time. Thought it was cute. They should do a movie together outside of Beetlejuice.

Tim didn't protest the romance between them either.

If you watch the Etalk Canada interview with Ryder, Keaton, O'Hara, and Ortega, there's a moment at the beginning when Ryder tells some crew members to quiet down and Keaton is gushing over her along with the others.

Then he smiles/chuckles when Ortega says it's hard not to fall in love with Winona.

It's like a Deetz family moment if Lydia kept her show and she and Beetlejuice married and he became human again. Very cute moment.

Beetlejuice Thoughts

If they have no intention of making Beetlejuice 3 why name the sequel Beetlejuice Beetlejuice?

They could have named something else. Burton is too smart to name a film Beetlejuice Beetlejuice and not expect people to say he needs to do Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.

Burton says he won't do another one at the same rate it took for this sequel and acts like he won't do another one but he also wasn't sure he'd ever do a sequel to the original and yet here we are.

This film is doing too well for Burton to ignore and promoting the romance between Beetlejuice and Lydia so much on the press tours with an open ending doesn't make sense for it to be the final one. I think Burton is testing the waters to watch the fans' reactions and then go from there.

He listened to Keaton and Ryder about what they always wanted for their characters and it's the exact same conclusion. They are in love with each other and want to marry as their endgame. Why leave it so open and unfulfilled?

Burton seems to typically close out his films with definite endings once he's ready to move on to other projects.

Burton is also not against romance in his stories and some got the HEA.

Burton closed out Edward Scissorhands with a definite ending.

He closed out Nightmare Before Christmas with a definite ending. HEA.

He closed out The Corpse Bride with a definite ending. HEAish

He closed out Alice in Wonderland with a definite ending mostly because the last film wasn't that great IMO. But many moments of romantic hints between Hatter/Alice.

He closed out Dark Shadows with a definite ending. HEA.

He didn't close out Batman with a HEA but it's still a definite ending (but Batman always goes on and he was closed out several times in the comics including a HEA with Catwoman and their daughter Helena).

But Beetlejuice is left open for a second time and his main character's entire motivation changes from wanting to terrorize the Living to being hopelessly in love with the main girl he lost decades ago and wants to marry her for good solely because he loves her?

Burton is good about closing out films and character chapters. Too many plot holes and open interpretations for it to end with this film. Plus, it's just too dang popular. I doubt he also considered a Beetlejuice kids cartoon when the film came out, but we got it, and it was awesome. He was the executive producer of it too.

It just doesn't make sense even for a wacky Burton project like Beetlejuice to not have a final film to close everything out without leaving any room for ambiguous plot holes.

Lydia: I wasn't supposed to fall in love with you.

Beetlejuice: Ditto, Honey.

She smiles.

Lydia: But I did.

He smiles.

Beetlejuice: Ditto, Honey

please, if you could asnwer me this...After the movie and it interesting end, what do you think happened? Lydia really married BJ?

You mean if she truly married him at the end of BJBJ?

I talked before about what I think the ending means in this other post, but in short I don't think she did. That said, upon rewatching a clip of the scene, I think that if Astrid, Delores and Wolf wouldn't have interrupted, there's a chance she would have gone through with it. This is just my personal interpretation, but think about it, did Lydia say or try anything to fight off Betelgeuse or try to banish him before the end of the dance number and Astrid's intervention? I wish I had the movie with me to rewatch the entire scene instead of a TikTok clip to verify this, so correct me if I'm wrong, but other than looking scared, I don't think she did anything to fight Betelgeuse away. She got into this arrangement herself fully knowing what it meant, and she wasn't backing out until Astrid pointed out the contract was null. Would she had been left completely alone with Betelgeuse, would she have acted differently? That's an interesting question.

I talked in the post linked above about how Lydia subconsciously doesn't truly want Betelgeuse gone; there's a part of her that wants him around, and that's why I think he's still hanging around her in the end, despite her sending him away. Her secret desire to keep him around is what continues to invite him into her life. He's in bed with her trying to communicate with her just like at the beginning of the movie, where she couldn't really tell if he was there or not. This time though, she fully knows he is. It's why she looks to the empty space next to her (and why she's totally sleeping at her side of the bed and leaving a side open for him, as I said, subconsciously wishing he was there and she wasn't alone lol Anyway that's just my interpretation).

If the story continues with a third part, I think she will end up marrying him (and I always say "for better or worse", because thematically that wedding has to happen, but we don't know what Tim Burton, et al, will choose to do with it. Considering the increased support for Beetlebabes after this movie and how much Winona, Michael, and definitely Tim love the couple, I think it should be a good outcome). Even if the story doesn't continue with another movie, the ending is open-ended enough that we can imagine what happened next. It's heavily implied BJ is still around, not letting go of Lydia, so we can easily conclude they'll continue to have some form of relationship which could eventually become a friendship or even a romantic relationship down the line. Lydia doesn't have to be afraid of Betelgeuse anymore; he has a dark af sense of humor, but she's seen he cares about her and wouldn't harm her or Astrid.

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About that ending scene + Lydia and Betelgeuse's connection

I've been thinking about BJBJ's ending dream/nightmare scene, and I thought I'd give my two cents as to what the purpose and meaning of this scene could be.

I have only watched the movie once, but that ending sequence stuck with me as one of the most memorable moments in the movie, if only for how disturbing it was (to me).

That said, what I interpret as the purpose of this scene is really simple:

This scene serves to show the audience that Betelgeuse is not only not gone, but that he is indeed psychically connected to Lydia as he mentions early in the film. They have both woken up from the same fucked-up nightmare, thus showing that their connection remains intact.

This is what I think the scene itself means:

The birth of the Beetlebaby was Lydia's rude awakening. She can't simply banish Betelgeuse by saying his name three times anymore, because they are psychically connected (I'll talk more on this below). Sure, he will go away, but not permanently. Never permanently anymore.

Why does the baby come out of Astrid? Because that is the element of horror that turns the dream into the nightmare that shakes Lydia (or both Lydia and Betelgeuse) awake. It doesn't matter if Lydia decides to go and live her life with Astrid, ignoring the events prior, Betelgeuse is not gone.

Betelgeuse is not only still hanging around Lydia, exactly as he was at the beginning of the film, his connection to Lydia runs so deep that they can even share dreams/nightmares now (or he can at least enter or manipulate her dreams, and if they go with this one, then that means the terrifying Beetlebaby birth might have been placed in her dream as a little revenge for banishing him. Does Betelgeuse even sleep? I digress).

I think this is the very thread Tim Burton could use to start preparing Beetlejuice 3. Lydia and Betelgeuse's psychic connection. I do not think this was a throwaway line, or like Betelgeuse deluding himself, thinking that he and Lydia are connected. As I've said, I've only seen the movie once (bummer I was going again this week but something came up), but I'm sure there is enough solid evidence to support this. Beetlejuice is able to project images of himself around Lydia, without being summoned. Lydia is able to see glimpses of him because of this connection. The final dream sequence calls back to that line earlier in the movie and supports it/proves it to be true: they are indeed connected.

Now, here's the thing (and we're entering head-canon territory here), this isn't something he did alone; this can only happen because of Lydia herself.

We now know Astrid inherited Lydia's ability to see ghosts, what if there is more to it? What if they have psychic abilities that go beyond just being able to see the dead? I know the first movie made it seem like Lydia could see the ghosts because she was "strange and unusual", but I feel that this movie established that this is an ability that runs in her blood, as Astrid inherited it from Lydia. What if it's something that runs in her family? The answers could lie with Lydia's mother, who we now know is still alive.

As I said above, Lydia cannot just say Betelgeuse's name three times to get rid of him now; if she truly wants him gone, she is going to have to do something different. She will have to figure out a way how, and that's the story thread that could lead us to her finding her mother in the next movie.

Now, the keyword here is if Lydia wants to get rid of Betelgeuse.

This might be the reason she can't fully get rid of him just saying his name; it might even be the reason they're connected in the first place: She doesn't truly want him gone. It might even be her psychic abilities that are keeping Betelgeuse's presence from leaving her alone.

Take it with a massive grain of salt, obviously, as this is all speculation. But the movie sort of implied that all of Lydia's relationships have failed. Even her relationship with Richard, which seems to have been great. For what little we were given about it, it looked like he was someone she really connected to and loved. But something didn't work out there, despite this. Could it be that whatever connection Betelgeuse feels with Lydia that has led him to single her out as the love of his life, in his own words, Lydia has felt herself about him, albeit subconsciously (and perhaps much to her horror)? Lydia might have been intrigued by him for years, pushing it down due to her fear of seeing him again. She could be simultaneously fascinated and terrified by him. He is a very powerful demon and she wouldn't want to do something to cross him again, especially since their final interaction saw him betrayed from a contract he didn't stray from. She might have been fearful of Betelgeuse being vengeful.

But he wasn't vengeful. In fact, much to her surprise, he'd been longing to see her again for over thirty years.

Lydia now will have to grapple with her conflicted feelings for Betelgeuse and figure them out in the next film, if we're lucky to get it (and I have no doubt we will).

She could say his name three times, banish him away, but then her heart would summon him right back to her, and thus whatever psychic ability she has which also enables her to see the dead pulls him right back into her life and keeps their connection alive. It would be interesting to see if it turns out that it was her own feelings about Betelgeuse that have always kept him around "just out of reach" all this time, giving him a way in and keeping their souls connected. Like she subconsciously has known all this time they are meant to be together (soulmate storyline, if you will ✨).

unbetels your geuse

So I've given this a fair bit of thought, even went through my own posts to gather some evidence, and at this point I can confidently say

Beetlejuice doesn't think he's good enough for Lydia

My key evidence is, of course, "MacArthur Park." It is, in essence, a song about losing love. Then why, exactly, did Beetlejuice choose to sing it at his and Lydia's wedding?

Because he knew the contract was invalid.

I remember watching the movie the first time and thinking it was weird he went the extra mile of pulling out a physical contract, but figured it was so Lydia couldn't break their deal like in the first movie. But then I watched it again and realized...Beetlejuice had no intention of actually marrying Lydia.

Beetlejuice is over 600 years old, was a bio-exorcist (implying he would need to know the rules to be able to possess people), worked as Juno's assistant for an unknown amount of time, and had his own call center for bio-exorcist work, which was, obviously, up to code if it was in the same building as the Waiting Room. So that stands to reason he would know that it's illegal to take a living person into the Neitherworld, which he did. He could've told Lydia to stay put, that he would rescue Astrid by himself, that she was a liability, but he did none of that. He knowingly brought her there to make sure their contract was invalid, so he wouldn't be forcing her into a marriage she didn't want.

Why would he do that, you ask? Simple. He's a better person than Rory.

Rory, who was an enabler and manipulator, who proposed at Lydia's father's wake, who scheduled the wedding for two days later, who brought influencers that would live stream their wedding even after Lydia insisted on something small. Beetlejuice knew Rory was using her, which is why he used the truth serum on him--he publicly humiliated Rory, gave Lydia the means to reject him herself via the boxing glove, and then when it came time to their wedding, vanished the influencers, and only kept the people that actually mattered to Lydia. Hell, he even brought up Delia with him so she could say goodbye to Lydia and Astrid, who didn't know she was dead yet.

He sang "MacArthur Park," a song about losing love, because he was forced into arranging a marriage with Lydia to get away from Delores. If Delores hadn't come back, I genuinely believe Beetlejuice wouldn't have properly approached her again until she had already died and he had a chance to properly court and marry her. So he made a physical contract, one that would reassure Lydia that she didn't have to trust him at his word and could instead trust a contract he would be obligated to follow. And the contract was invalid--he knew it would be.

In the end, he didn't fight Lydia when she said his name after just hissing at her--hell, he even put on a show for her. He blew up like a balloon just to see her smile, and she did. He disappeared without a fuss, after helping Lydia out of a bad relationship, after saving her daughter and reuniting her with her dead husband.

Beetlejuice got a good job--a respectable job--one that helped ghosts like Lydia did. He kept a photo of her on his desk for all those years. He spent the whole movie seducing her, with the flier and ads on her phone and freaking "Right Here Waiting." Beetlejuice didn't think he was worthy of Lydia yet, but he made sure to tell her, in his own way, that he would get there one day. He would wait for her.

I definitely agree.

The Three Men in Lydia's Life: All About Connections

Richard: "We made a great kid."

Made a great kid. Thought it was an odd saying instead of they have a great kid. Shows he wasn't very much involved in Astrid's life.

Doesn't try to make a connection with his family even when he sees the riff growing between his ex-wife and their daughter. Doesn't do anything even after he sees them again. Goes back to work and doesn't help them in any way afterward. Doesn't tell Astrid how to stay in contact with him even though she has Lydia's gift. Basically like he wasn't around as much as Astrid thinks he was. Not a lot of family pictures in that album she found. The "free spirit" with a dissolved connection who seemed to care more about his causes than his family.

Wasn't really around.

Rory: "It's like we have the same stupid little heart."

Well, we all know what Rory is. Connection through manipulation and trauma. Pulls at the emotional heart strings.

He degrades their so-called connection by using the word "stupid" like there's no seriousness to their relationship or what they feel isn't important enough to be taken seriously but pretends to be serious about her in order to marry her. And we all know the real reason why. More like manipulated teenage puppy love.

Thinks the person they are manipulating is extremely stupid and tried to separate their victim from everyone else.

But like many who've been through similar relationships, the abused is usually the last person to figure it out or they don't possess the strength to leave out of fear of never being enough. But sometimes it takes a certain person for you to listen and see the truth. Enter Beetlejuice.

Childish and selfish.

Beetlejuice: "Lydia and I have a psychic connection."

Never left her. Never lied to her. Never lied about his motives. Never tried to manipulate Astrid. Always kept his word. Seems to want to be a husband and father. Romances her and let her go. Didn't get jealous of Richard and tried to insert himself between him and Lydia during their closure.

Bettered himself with his own business and was devoted to Lydia for 30 years. Seemed to always be talking about her to his employees and maybe others who would listen.

Exposed Rory and knew his true intentions a long time ago. Gets excited when Lydia sees him (even if she is absolutely terrified every time).

Left her alone while she got over Richard's death before approaching her again especially when Rory entered the picture.

The picture on his desk. I don't think Richard had any pictures of his family anywhere including in his little Hobbit hole. He never pulls one out of his pocket and says he keeps it to remember them and it's the one he had on him when he died. None of that. Beetlejuice steals a picture of Lydia and proudly displays it on his desk for decades.

The Hawaiian sequel had him constantly looking at her picture that was always on him. Richard had nothing.

Literally gives her his heart when Lydia gave away hers to two other men who didn't cherish it.

Doesn't push Lydia's family away. He includes them and helps them. He's got a soft spot for that family.

Even after everything, Lydia feels more comfortable and herself around him than the other two. She's bolder. And might even see him as a friend in some ways. She trusts him more. She didn't question Beetlejuice when Rory started spilling the truth. She didn't see the Truth Serum being injected into Rory. How did she know it was the truth and not a trick on BJ's part to get rid of him so he could marry her? Because in the end she knows the one person she's wanted out of her life is one person she can trust the most. He gives her the boxing glove to finish the job on her own. He knows her strength and is even surprised by how much she has when she punches Rory. He's proud of her and wants her to fight for herself and speak for herself.

Always there for her even when she doesn't see it.

He is honest with her when Rory wasn't.

He is devoted to her when Richard wasn't.

He is proud of her when the others weren't or didn't show it.

He listened to her when the others didn't.

He respected her when the others didn't.

He cherished her when the others didn't.

He defended her when the others didn't.

He protected her when the others didn't.

He tried when the others didn't.

He loves her when the others don't.

Did you ever get the feeling that Christina Ricci should have appeared in "Beetlejuice 2"? Well, there were many reasons for that...

What about Lydia's distant relative?

I just giggled really loudly because I'm also a fan of the "Beetlejuice" franchise. And in the second movie, Beetlejuice says (to Astrid, daughter of Lydia), "You can call me dad".

An evening of unexpected discoveries: when you watch "How to Build a Better Boy" for the first time, and you realize that you've seen Mae's dad somewhere before, and it turns out that he's the same actor who will play Doc Brown in the musical "Back to the Future".

Seriously, another genius scientist?

Well, yeah, I always thought of Doc as Marty's dad :D

An evening of unexpected discoveries: when you watch "How to Build a Better Boy" for the first time, and you realize that you've seen Mae's dad somewhere before, and it turns out that he's the same actor who will play Doc Brown in the musical "Back to the Future".

Seriously, another genius scientist?

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one lydia deetz is having trouble processing all this

Midnight Ramblings:

A Beetlejuice 2 Observation

Did anyone else notice Beetlejuice takes Richard's place at his Immigration booth? BJ could have shoved someone out of the way or created a diversion to take someone else's spot but thought it was interesting he literally takes Richard's place. Richard loses his hat and Beetlejuice ends up with the hat. Almost like he's saying he wants to take Richard's place in other ways too.

If the whole thing is a dream sequence, it's like Lydia's subconscious saying she secretly wants him to take Richard's place or BJ is showing his desire to replace Lydia's ex-husband in her life.

He even wants to replace Richard as Astrid's Dad.

It can even coincide with Ryder and Keaton saying how they secretly are in love with each other and it's a subconscious way of showing that with BJ replacing Richard.

It seems the film is also about Lydia and Beetlejuice replacing the disappointing and heartbreaking relationships they've experienced to move into their best relationship with each other.

Lydia replaced Delores in Beetlejuice's heart, and he's replacing Rory and Richard in hers, without her realizing it or she's just not ready to admit it yet.

But after seeing her regret in sending him away and not really wanting him gone in the end, she might be slowly getting there.

Just had the realization that Lydia ending up ensared in Rory's manipulative web is like scarily in-character for her— Her relationship with Rory is a toxic inverse of her relationship with the Maitlands.

Lydia was born a lonely creature, and grew up an even lonelier one, longing for love and affection. To her, any genuinely kind act is perceived as that love, as a reward.

She doesn't understand that she's inherently worthy of kindness or love, that it isn't something to be earned or worked for.

So when someone is kind to Lyds, she thinks she's experiencing the love she craves, and will do anything to continue being worthy of it. Including marrying Beej to save the Maitlands' (after)lives.

She was willing to sacrifice everything for Barb & Adam, and they never tried to use that fact against Lydia (yay) so her codependency remained unchecked (boo.)

Rory picks up on this with his narcissistic sonar and uses if to trap Lydia. He sees her hunger for love, smells the codependency on her, and settles in to suck her dry.

And if it weren't for Beej looking out for his little Tormenta, Rory would've run Lydia right into the ground.