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Bucky: I have an idea.

Tony: [turns in fear] Where did you come from?

Bucky: Tony, I’ve been walking next to you this entire time.

"My type as you all like to call it these days ain't tall Hercules-looking dorks with blonde hair and blue eyes… I uh… I guess I've always had a thing for big brown eyes on brunet geniuses."

He peeks at Peter through the corner of his eye, chin down looking up through his lashes. The way he says it, the small smile on his face. Oh. Peter's stomach swoops and he feels his face heat up. Bucky can't be insinuating what Peter thinks he is, it's not possible.

I'm having so much fun with these bingos, here's a little preview of one of the up coming ones that should be out by Monday

I was going to keep the bingo to the sfw card but I've been getting tempted by that nsfw card... I've not written smut in years, maybe I should get back into that

just curious why does everyone assume Bucky's serum (and also all the other serums) was inferior to Steve's? There's not any evidence to suggest this, aside from Erskine obviously not being the one to administer it. We don't know anything about what exactly is in Bucky, not for certain (we don't even technically know for certain if he had a serum at all it could come from something else Zola did, except maybe word of god) we can only make educated guesses that it's derived from Schmidt's blood, which is I think the same serum as Steve, Schmidt was just the wrong man.

The perfect serum would entirely depend on what you're after and there was a reason Erskine was after a Good Man for the soldier since who the person is that's taking the serum impacts massively on the end result. Most of the language used to describe Steve's serum relies on the context that "perfected" means the ideal soldier, not the strongest/quickest/sharpest sense etc.

I've always interpreted it that Steve is the ideal soldier, he's the right balance, even if he's not necessarily the strongest (Banner would be that, but just look at the Hulk, not exactly the goal) nor has the quickest reflexes (I'd argue this is Bucky, his reaction times seem quicker than most and he disappears from under Steve and other enhanced people's noses constantly). He's undeniably the Ideal, the best all rounder with minimal impact on his psyche, but I don't think that means the other serums (which there seems to be five variations that have created 'successful' ie surviving soldiers) are weaker.

They are probably "weaker" in the sense that they're not producing all rounders like Steve, but again it hinges entirely on what you're after, if you're after the strongest then you get the Hulk, but if you're after the best senses like sight, smell, hearing etc. you might get another variation coming out on top.

The serums are just like any other tools, the best is defined by what you need it for.

The Avengers' team briefing on the impending arrival of their newest member, Spider-Man, goes awry and leads to Doctor Strange bringing up serious concerns to Sam about Bucky's stability.

[ In which this series has a deeper plot arc than just cat sitting and falling in love, oops. ]

Part 3 of when you've nothing to remember, you've nothing to lose featuring Peter as Bucky's cat sitter. For @winterspider-bingo SFW Round 1: Avengers Compound

So I've seen a couple people now say they're not sure why fans are against Bucky being in the senate or think he must be being forced to somehow, considering we've already seen him as the Secretary of State in What If...? and I wanted to explain why I personally would find it extremely out of character if he's willingly a senator in Thunderbolts*

For the sake of ease I'm going to refer to Earth-82111 Bucky as Secretary Bucky and Earth-19999 Bucky as Primary Bucky.

Based on everything we know about Primary Bucky, I don't see how he'd have any reason to WANT to be there and it feels very contradictory to the path they've set him on ever since Civil War.

It all pretty much comes down to the fact that Secretary Bucky and Primary Bucky have led two entirely different lives since the war, around the time there was a divergence in their lives. Their experiences from around the age of 26 onwards have made them into separate people, despite being technically both Bucky. Sebastian Stan's even said he was surprised by his lines as Secretary Bucky because they're so different from the Bucky he's used to playing.

The point of divergence in their lives is of course the train. Secretary Bucky never fell from the train and lost his arm, he was able to be rescued by Captain Carter, so he didn't go through any of the experiences that Primary Bucky has that would make his character detest the idea of being in government.

Secretary Bucky stayed the light-hearted Bucky we met in early CATFA. He never woke up during a horrific surgery to instal a bionic arm where he'd had his real one torn off in the fall, he never experienced decades of torture, brainwashing, forced assassinations and dehumanization. We can't say for sure how much Secretary Bucky knew about Isaiah Bradley and the men of his squadron, but we do know that Primary Bucky knows about them and withheld that information from Steve, which is huge. Primary Bucky knows which governments and organizations (like SHIELD) are corrupt and in what ways, has stood against the American government both as the Winter Soldier and by his own volition, he was framed for an event that led the world to agree on mandatory registering of a specific demographic of people I wonder where he might've seen that before, and has teammates who were kept on the Raft. He saw his own government, the American government, violate their own citizens the way HYDRA did him; injecting them with unknown substances that irreversibly changed their bodies, then punished Isaiah for doing the same thing they hailed Steve as a hero for, and further violated Isaiah by taking his blood without consent and creating more soldiers from him. Primary Bucky was a victim of HYDRA, the clear bad guys, but Isaiah and his brothers-in-arms were victims of the supposed "good guys", and on that fact alone I cannot see any way Primary Bucky is anything other than disgusted and mistrustful of them, if he doesn't outright hate the government. Primary Bucky has also learned a lot from being friends with Sam, how it wasn't Sam's fault for putting down the shield when the government and the country they're in put him in an extremely difficult and impossible situation out of pure racism, about how their country views heroism and its very white standards for it, and how it's not as simple as it was for Steve or John Walker for Sam to have the shield and be Captain America. He saw the US government make one promise to Steve's memory and then immediately disrespect it.

Secretary Bucky seems happy to serve his country and does so by choice, and like I said, we don't know how much he knows about SHIELD's corruption or what the government he serves did to Isaiah and the men of his squad but it's safe to say the different lived experiences he's gone through make him view his government in a positive light and he's very likely never been a number 1 enemy of the state, while Primary Bucky looks completely miserable having to wear that pin during the entire trailer.

Of course you could argue that Primary Bucky has become a senate as a way to try and change things, but the thing is he also knows better than most what goes on in the shadows and I'd say has a very grim perspective on how realistic his chances would be. He's seen and experienced how futile bureaucracy in their world is for making significant change, and idk it just doesn't feel like Bucky's style considering he chose vigilantism over "proper" processes with dealing with HYDRA remnants and the Flag-Smashers.

I'd say it's in character for the Bucky of Earth-82111 to go into politics and end up where he is, he led a completely different life that was never shaped the same way as Bucky from Earth-19999. It feels extremely out of character for Bucky from Earth-19999 to go into politics, echoes of each other or not, their initial 26 years of shared life experiences wouldn't overrule the catastrophic changes 19999's experiences would make to his mind set and opinions because people's loyalties and thoughts change depending on what information they have. Primary Bucky knows and has seen things Senate Bucky has not, so his opinion has been changed and updated from where they were at 26.

80 years is a long time for a lot of deeply impactful things to diverge them further away from each other, even if they all echo one another, regardless of how identical the first quarter was. That's just my opinion.

“Looks like breaking all those laws is treating you well.”

THE FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER (2021) dir. Kari Skogland

@azriona

Saw your tags and you raise a valid point, and I can believe that version of Bucky getting into politics since obviously he did, but that version of Bucky never went through any of the reasons I listed for why main MCU Bucky wouldn't willingly do the same

Secretary of State/Earth-82111 Bucky never fell from the train so he never got tortured by HYDRA, became an assassin, worked against multiple governments across the globe, or shared commonality with Isaiah Bradley that had been done by their own government rather than a shady Nazi society, was never put on a leash by the law for crimes he was also a victim in and victim blamed for, and has likely also never been to Wakanda. He had a whole different life.

They're two different people after all that, Sebastian Stan even said himself he was surprised when he saw his lines as Earth-82111 Bucky because he's so much different from primary Bucky

as someone who knows very little about the American governmental system... is it even realistic that Bucky is a senator/candidate, outside of the simple fact that it goes against everything we know about his character for the last 13 years and is deeply ooc and weird?

Can someone with his history actually become a senator? Dude has killed like...a lot of people, specifically American citizens to keep it relevant to this context, and he's openly broken the law and gone against multiple governments in some of the most wild displays of anarchy alongside Steve and the Avengers. Also I don't think he's been a consistent enough resident of any state even if you take out the Blip?? At least 9 years right? Bro has maybe been on American soil for 3 years, pre AND post Blip, and that's being generous assuming Thunderbolts takes place in 2024-2025.

I don't know how realistic it is that he's even able to run for senate? I'm not an expert, not American, but it just seems absurd.

The main take really is that Bucky Barnes as a senator is one of the stupidest things, what the hell

when your whole crew doesnt know a damn thing

100% crack theory that is NOT supposed to be taken seriously, it's really just a combo of Bucky's absurd location hopping and coincidence.

Bucky's serum that Zola gave him was adapted using the Space stone and just happened to be compatible with Bucky's naturally high spatial awareness so it worked. It spatially locked him, ie making him immune to other people's spatial powers, and gave him the ability to slip in and out of space as flashy or subtly as he likes, and being Bucky/WS he's always gone the subtle route. It's how the Winter Soldier gained a reputation for being a ghost, and how Bucky seems to just disappear in a blink in scenes or implausibly show up in entirely different locations at speeds too fast for even a super soldier to be capable of.

Maybe he isn't really aware he can do it either and it escaped Hydra notice because it's bending space and reality in a specific way that mortals don't tend to be able to compute unless they're Wanda or a trained sorcerer. He uses it way more as the Winter Soldier because in that state he uses everything available to him to complete the mission, even powers he's only subconsciously aware of/uses like muscle memory or instinct. But as Bucky he's not so one track minded and can't consciously use something he's not aware he has.

Bucky can teleport in the comics but it's through the use of technology. It wouldn't be the first time Marvel has changed its characters' power sets and origins around, just look at the Maximoffs, Kamala and even Sam, who can talk to birds in the comics and has a real bird companion, but only has a drone in the MCU.

It really made me laugh rewatching CACW where he's just constantly showing up out of nowhere, popping up in completely different locations with not enough time for even a super soldier to get there and disappearing into thin fucking air so quickly it's frequently a running bit with the other characters doing double takes over where tf he just went. (I've seen so many commentators and reactors call out how the fuck he moves through the building so fast in CACW, and his dramatic exits? Where he's just gone? Outta nowhere? Even for a big scary elite Hydra super soldier that's ridiculous. It's not just editing weirdness either, it's something that's acknowledged IN UNIVERSE by multiple characters.)

On a final note it's fucking hilarious to imagine Bucky either somehow never noticed or just assumed it was something every super soldier could do too so never brought it up since they don't exactly go around stating their powers out in an itemized list lmao

This could be a country difference maybe, because where I'm from counsellors and therapists are one in the same and I've seen the terms used interchangeably all the time. I didn't know there was a difference between them in America. Sam's history working with veterans and advising on how to handle reintegration the way he does, drawing on his personal experiences with Riley (and subsequent re-trauma of seeing the exact same thing then happen to Rhodey...) I'd assumed when the term counsellor came up that it meant he was a ptsd/trauma therapist specifically for veterans of war, thus the lived experience I mentioned.

I apologize for how my initial post came off, even if it wasn't my intention that still doesn't change the fact it is about Bucky and did gloss over Sam's history too vaguely and really only in a context that benefitted Bucky with the topic of the post (Bucky's gif in my header probably didn't help the case either, I'm well aware that there's way too many Bucky stans who seem to think he's a poor baby boy who shits gold.) I don't usually interact with Marvel fandoms as I've really only ever heard negative things from friends, so there's a lot I'm not aware of.

things about recovery and therapy that TFATWS did right: Sam, who has 10+ years as a PTSD and trauma therapist with lived experience of his specialist field, notifying Bucky when his symptoms are presenting or worsening (such as when Bucky starts staring off, an extremely common symptom of PTSD) or deescalating situations wherein Bucky has been triggered (the notebook, most interactions with Zemo...), while still framing it all as light hearted jokes appropriate for their type and level of rapport (i.e that of a colleague/friend rather than a clinical therapist)

things about recovery and therapy that TFATWS got wrong: basically everything else. they didn't frame it as a critique of veteran psychological care like they could have, they framed it as ha ha no bullshit therapist lady makes comic relief scenes at the expense of her client's health

(I also can't be the only one who thinks Bucky was assigned the wrong speciality for his therapy, his trauma aligns closer with survivors of cult conditioning, kidnappings/hostage situations, abuse and/or sexual assault than the strictly war veteran angle the show took. Not all therapy is the same and not all trauma requires the same kind of care, and just because Bucky was a soldier does not necessarily mean the kind of trauma he experienced and the care he needs is tied to that.)

I wonder if it'll ever be explained why they were never able to make a successful recreation of the serum from Bucky's blood. We know Hydra and the Soviets tried, presumably with his blood, but it always failed and they ended up having to steal from the Americans at least twice to be able to end up making Alexei and the Winter Soldiers into super soldiers. What about Bucky's specific strain, that presumably Schmidt had Zola perfect, meant it only worked for him? It's implied Bucky wasn't the first pow that Zola did this to, he's just the only one who survived.

I mean the Tesseract was in Hydra's possession at the time, so that might've been involved in Bucky's creation (and after some googling I've found out I'm not the only one who's theorized this). Hydra immediately then lost the Tesseract and therefore, without infinity stone's energy to trigger it, none of the serum recreations attempted from Bucky's blood worked.

Bucky's serum in the comics is the Infinity Formula given to him by Nick Fury, but it has no relation to the infinity stones. It wouldn't be a stretch to link them for the MCU though, considering how Bucky even became a super soldier in the first place is still mostly a big fucking mystery 13 years later, all we've got to go on is "Zola must've done something idk."

Every time I see these two running together I think about the fact that super soldiers can effortlessly out run cars and realize Bucky has been slowing himself down to keep pace with Sam since the moment they became allies even though he doesn't technically need to. Like come on just admit you enjoy Sam's company goddamn

SEBASTIAN STAN as BUCKY BARNES Captain America: Civil War (2016)

“Bucky’s the winter soldier again!!!!! He’s shooting with his left hand!!! He only uses his left when he’s the winter soldier!!!!!”

I present to you:

Captain America: The First Avenger

Captain America: Civil War

And

Falcon and the Winter Soldier

Man literally just uses whichever hand was nearest to the gun first, that's it, he's an elite assassin why would he only use one hand for weapons? I hate the left hand theory so much.

Sebastian is also a lefty who was forced to learn to write with his right hand as a kid, so naturally there's going to be a lot of overlap with picking up props etc.

“Bucky’s the winter soldier again!!!!! He’s shooting with his left hand!!! He only uses his left when he’s the winter soldier!!!!!”

I present to you:

Captain America: The First Avenger

Captain America: Civil War

And

Falcon and the Winter Soldier

this hit me like a truck

today I learned that people really think Sam is some kind of keeper responsible for Bucky... what the fuck? I'm not mad at the person who thought that's what I meant, I'm mad at this stupid general consensus because if it's been 3 goddamn years of having to remind people Sam is Bucky's friend not his babysitter then holy shit

Not sure what else I expected really, fandoms love to baby their white fave and make moc and women around him his carers

That is literally not what I fucking meant and you know it. I meant Sam did one occasional nice thing because that's who he is as a person and I specified that he is not Bucky's therapist and isn't his job to do that, so don't go there

(I only just watched the show yesterday before I posted this, but holy shit three years of that bullshit?? Sorry for coming off strong there, I don't blame you then if people have been that fucking dense for three years)

things about recovery and therapy that TFATWS did right: Sam, who has 10+ years as a PTSD and trauma therapist with lived experience of his specialist field, notifying Bucky when his symptoms are presenting or worsening (such as when Bucky starts staring off, an extremely common symptom of PTSD) or deescalating situations wherein Bucky has been triggered (the notebook, most interactions with Zemo...), while still framing it all as light hearted jokes appropriate for their type and level of rapport (i.e that of a colleague/friend rather than a clinical therapist)

things about recovery and therapy that TFATWS got wrong: basically everything else. they didn't frame it as a critique of veteran psychological care like they could have, they framed it as ha ha no bullshit therapist lady makes comic relief scenes at the expense of her client's health

(I also can't be the only one who thinks Bucky was assigned the wrong speciality for his therapy, his trauma aligns closer with survivors of cult conditioning, kidnappings/hostage situations, abuse and/or sexual assault than the strictly war veteran angle the show took. Not all therapy is the same and not all trauma requires the same kind of care, and just because Bucky was a soldier does not necessarily mean the kind of trauma he experienced and the care he needs is tied to that.)

lol people are running out of things to say about the trailer why is there a whole article about how revolutionary the vibranium arm in the dishwasher is for the broader universe lore on water safe prosthesis in the marvel universe when Bucky took a whole ass dive into the potomac river in the first movie he appears with a metal arm in

the dishwasher is a comic relief bit I don't think it's intended to be that deep

Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) || Thunderbolts (2025)

the more I think about it the more I know if Bucky did end up doing the same thing as Steve and going back to live out his life from the 40s again he'd lose his goddamn mind within a week. This man has so many gadgets, he has all the gadgets all of the time, there's a theory that the flip phone he gives Raynor is a decoy because she expects being from the 40s that's what he'd use, and he's always playing around with tech and admiring cars

Bucky would miss modern tech way too much, he'd cry just seeing ONE single computer with a 5 byte capacity taking up an entire room

Although let's be realistic he wouldn't even last the week, he'd only make it ten paces the day of arrival before losing his shit at the first white person to open their mouth

Bucky "described as academically gifted, reads obscure for the time nerd books, gadgets gadgets gadgets gadgets, is always shown seamlessly using the latest tech and plays into his therapist's perception of him being from the 40s by giving her a flip phone instead of his actual phone so he doesn't have to share his private life with her, literally a cyborg and is deeply socially confused by the modern era" Barnes: I want to spend my last night before the war at NERD CON and forget my date exists, omg look Steve the car flew!!

Steve "described as a strategic genius yet punched a monitor screen thinking it would stop an AI, cares that the tech works so he can break it/crash it/cause anarchy with it, 'it appears to run on some kind of electricity', practicality is the goal unless it's fun to be Extra, famously uses the same weapon he used in the 40s, and collects friends like Pokémon everywhere he goes in the modern era" Rogers seeing a flying car: ...huh yeah that's real cool Buck. anyway, I'm gotta go break the law for the sixth time brb

Bucky has to be under some kind of blackmail from Val or whoever because there's no way you can look me in the eye and say honestly that Bucky would choose to work for the government that screwed over Sam (and Steve's wishes along the way), and did to Isaiah and his troop what Hydra did to him by experimenting on them; dehumanizing them, unknowingly and unwillingly turning them into super powered weapons of war, then punished and imprisoned Isaiah for doing the same shit they made Steve a hero for.

Bucky is one universe-hopping visit from Hobie away from becoming a punk rock anarchist, come on now.