Ever Since Rocketear, When I See People Talking About The Ladynoir Conflict, I Dont See Enough People

Ever since Rocketear, when I see people talking about the Ladynoir conflict, I don’t see enough people pointing out that Rena Furtive’s existence would be basically impossible for Ladybug to explain to Chat Noir without it coming across as “I just don’t trust you”

The thing is, the Gang of Secrets reveal would already hurt him enough— especially knowing how he reacted to the fact Rena Rouge and Carapace know each other’s identities. We know it hurts him to realize that identities weren’t as important as everyone was making them out to be, and that he was really the only person really beholden to the rule. It sucks. It feels like he was lied to. 

However, Ladybug can try to explain that! When Chat Noir discovers that someone knows her identity, she could, theoretically, explain clearly to Chat Noir that “I was having breakdowns every day, Chat. I wasn’t doing well. I was scared and I was losing all my civilian friends. I was crying and my best friend was there. I was crying and I broke down and it wasn’t planned. I blurted out my identity. She’s been helping me give excuses in my civilian life for why I’m so flaky with being Ladybug and the Guardian. It never came up and it was never relevant to what was going on, so I didn’t tell you because I was scared to, because I knew it’d hurt you. I’m really sorry.” And you know what? I think it’d still hurt him. Maybe a lot. But if Ladybug chooses her words carefully, I think Chat Noir can understand that Ladybug was scared and stressed, and he can understand that she needed someone specifically from her civilian life for that. And I think he would forgive her.

But…. guys. Guys. How on earth would she explain Rena Furtive to him in a way that sounds reasonable? That she not only gave a miraculous to someone else permanently, but that she didn’t tell him? That this person is secretly acting as their third partner for every battle and patrol, and that she actively hides it from him? That the reason for his poor performance in future battles might be because she is literally Hiding what the plan is from him so he doesn’t notice the illusions?

There’s no coming back from that. You can make the argument that who Ladybug tells her identity to isn’t necessarily Chat Noir’s business…. but you can’t make the argument that someone secretly watching them and joining them in battle and patrols isn’t his business, or that it’s not his business to know that there are illusions on the battlefield that he’s fighting in. That’s absolutely his business. And while Ladybug can say “It was a private matter, so that’s why I didn’t tell you that I told someone my identity”, she can’t say the same about Rena Furtive. Because that’s not a private matter. And it’s not something she just chose to omit— it’s something she chose to actively hide from him.

Now, we know the reason she’s doing this. She’s doing it because of Chat Blanc, because she’s literally traumatized by visions of herself and all the citizens of Paris turned to ash. She’s doing it because she’s afraid of a timeline that has long since passed, of an endgame that she never really learned the trigger to. All she knows about Chat Blanc was that Chat Noir found out more about her and then the world ended. We don’t know exactly her reasoning for keeping Rena Furtive from Chat Noir, but I think it’s because she knows it’ll hurt him, and she knows a hurt Chat Noir could become an akumatized Chat Noir. 

…. However. “I kept this secret from you because I was afraid it’d upset you and akumatize you” doesn’t sound like a great excuse. It really doesn’t. It sounds like an excuse, and there’s an underlying admission of distrust there with “I don’t think you’d be able to resist akumatization”. And that… sucks. The best she could do to explain herself in a way he’d forgive her is to explain the whole Chat Blanc scenario in detail to him, but that would hurt him even more! Chat Noir already gave up his miraculous when he accidentally killed an android— how is he gonna feel if he finds out that, if he has a bad day, he could kill everyone on earth?

When people treat the Ladynoir conflict like “if Chat Noir just told Ladybug that he was upset, she’d explain everything and then it’d be okay!” I think they’re missing a substantial part of the conflict. Because Chat Noir can’t tell Ladybug that Rena Furtive upsets him when he doesn’t know about it. And if he DID find out and confront Ladybug about it, there’s nothing she could say to make him feel trusted as a partner.

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I for the most part feel very much the same. I truly started to like his character in season 4.

There were moments before where I cringed and became annoyed at his "cringy musician self" and music metaphors, like in previous seasons. At least this season the metaphors weren't that bad (and were in character) and were useful, like in wishmaker.

Plus I felt Luka in season 4 was the Luka they were trying have in previous seasons. I like him now.

Like I said, I actually started to like Luka this season and before that I was slightly annoyed/lukewarm about him

I apologize if I sounded confusing.

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THAT IS HOW YOU KNOW HOW SERIOUS ADRIEN WAS AND WHAT HE IS DEALING WITH!

I liked the jokes in the episodes, though at times there were just too many and didn't help the audience feel the gravitas of Adrien's or even Marinette's dilemmas.

I want you all to realize.

CHAT NOIR DIDNT MAKE A SINGLE JOKE IN THE EPISODE.

HE SAW A MAN TURN INTO A CUCUMBER. AND DIDNT MAKE A JOKE!

I WANT YOU ALL TO REALIZE HOW SERIOUS THIS IS?!

WE SHOULD BE TERRIFIED

Everyone's talking about the new episode, so I just want to leap in with something that I haven't seen mentioned which I think is pretty cool and important.

This episode shows exactly why Adrien failed as Viperion and why Luka succeeds. Adrien saw the second chance as something for him to use to finally get things right. He looked at it and thought "if I try hard enough, for long enough, I won't make a mistake".

Luka knows the actual usefulness of the power, which is not using it like a save state in a video game to try to achieve perfect play. Each time he resets, the first thing he does is pass on the information he learned.

Adrien is an independent agent and a follower. He's happy to follow orders, but he's not a support character. He functions independently with Ladybug even though he knows how to work with her. Ie, Chat Noir is Ladybug's partner, not her support.

Luka is a helper. His instincts don't lean towards saving the day on his own, or drawing attention to himself, or thinking that he knows what should be done. Luka uses his role as Viperion to help Ladybug and Chat Noir do their jobs better, getting little glory and without the main heroes or Paris knowing what he experiences to help them.

Neither of these characteristics are bad. They're both really useful things to have on a team of superheroes. I just think it's really cool how well this episode demonstrated that the miraculouses actually do need to go to specific people, and not everyone can utilize every miraculous properly.