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Does anyone remember having heard before or remember the episode in which Chat Noir had said something along the lines of

"yeah, I wouldn't want to do that anyway"

or

"yeah, I prefer not to do that"

or

"Yeah, I'll leave that up to you"

in regards to Ladybug being the leader/planner of the team? I am sure of heard something like that before but I can't remember where.

Please help, it would be appreciated. Thank you!

Please reblog to bring attention to this.

I tried searching for a couple of text posts from a couple of months ago (all literally like from April or May) that I wanted to save now that I have an account, but so far, after a LONG time (started looking for them in early June), I was able to find only one of them.

I've tried looking for the other posts through various methods, both on tumblr and off it, yet I still can't find them.

I do not know if those posts can even show up in the tumblr search engine now because of their age.

How I went about trying to find the posts was putting in the appropriate tags that the post was most probable to be under and scrolling as far back as I can (under top and text) and checking the timestamps of some posts along the way to see if I had scrolled back too far. I would also find a blog that was somewhat dedicated to theories and analyses and search for the posts I wanted their blog to see if they had either authored the post or reblogged it. This is how I found one of the posts I was looking for.

Sometimes when I tried to search through tags and scroll back far, I was not allowed to scroll past a certain point (even though I know that tag had been used for years and still had a lot more posts on it).

Just please fix this tumblr.

Fix what I mentioned in the last paragraph of my post and allow us to use the search engine to be able to simultaneously search with tags and search about the text written on the actual post!

Also, give us a free, optional feature (that can be turned on and off) that allows us to be able to use the search engine to search for text found within a post!

I know it can already be done on someone's blog, but please try to make a feature that would work in a general search.

Can't believe Tumblr jumped to a paid subscription service before making a competent search feature

Its so annoying I hate how some do this and go against what has been established in the show and justs makes for confusion. I 100% agree with @chatblancismyfursona on this one.

For anyone confused regarding the cataclysm that hit Adrien;

If Emilie kicked the bucket, he could still survive—Adrien’s life isn’t contingent on hers.

All of these are very interesting and good points, but I just wanted to add the reason I always assumed why they have a rule against sharing their secret identities.

I always thought that the reason why ladybug and chat noir never shared their secret identities with each other is because if one of them was revealed/caught, nobody would be able to force the information of the other's identity out of them because they would genuinely lack that knowledge and thus the other's identity would remain safe.

I imagine this rule would have much more emphasis onto ladybug and chat noir since they are in possession of the 2 miraculouses shadow moth wants most.

Also because in the show they are in possession of the 2 powerful miraculouses.

… why? 

… why?? 

… why??? 

WHY?!

All this is a LARGE part of the reason why I prefer to watch Miraculous Ladybug in the original French dub with accurately translated English subtitles.

Dialogue can mean one thing in a language but carry a slightly different meaning in another if the words are changed enough or if they decide to go with another meaning of the dialogue that essentially means the same thing but can lose the original dialogue's subtlety/subtext.

(Of course this is all dependant on what the message of the og dialogue was trying to convey and the language its being translated into)

It is what the characters were originally meant to be saying (the most canon dub imo) and it sounds REALLY good (best dub w/best dialogue imo).

I originally started watching the show in English and though I like it a lot, I would personally like to first watch the episodes in French first with accurate translations in the subtitles (like translating it word for word & keeping the integrity of the dialogue).

I could go on (and I kind if had) but this is the general gist of my opinion.

Can I just… talk for a moment… about how much I love how, if you know them well, words don’t have synonyms?

English, for example, is a fantastic disaster. It has so many words for things that are basically the same, and I find there’s few joys in writing like finding the right word for a sentence. Hunting down that peculiar word with particular meaning that fits in seamlessly in a structure, so the story flows on by without any bumps or leaks.

Like how a shout is typically about volume, while a yell carries an angry edge and a holler carries a mocking one. A scream has shrillness, a roar has ferocity, and a screech has outrage. 

This is not to say that a yell cannot be happy or a holler cannot be complimentary, or that they cannot share these traits, but they are different words with different connotations. I love choosing the right one for a sentence, not only for its meanings but for how it sounds when read aloud. (Do I want sounds that slide together, peaceful and seamless, or something that jolts the reader with its contrast? Snap!)

I love how many words for human habitats there are. I love how cottage sounds quaint and cabin sounds rustic. I love steadiness of house, the elegance of residence, the stateliness of manor, and tired stubbornness of shack. I love how a dwelling is different to a den.

And I love how none of them can really touch the possessive warmness of all the connotations of home.

Words are great.

Right? Like it was fun theorizing with the images we have been given, but we didn't actually want to find out until the episode actually aired!

That everything could have been a mystery!

It doesn't even have to be about our theories, just us being excited to see what happens next!

i saw the trailer

i'm not gonna say anything

but at the end they spoiled a pretty big point in the episode and lemme tell y'all

it sucks a lot.

I agree, it is just the excitement is dampened due to prior knowledge of what is to be shown in the episode.

I still hope the episode will still have a bunch of surprises, but when the spoiler comes around, it probably won't be the same level of excitement as the other surprises, especially with a spoiler that significant. It probably just won't feel the same as if you just experienced it along with everything else.

I still plan on watching the episode open-minded and having fun and being excited of what is to be shown, along with what has already been shown in the trailer.

here's my take about the Wishmaker Spoiler TM:

below the cut because spoilers

the reason why the couffaines have been so much on screen this season leads up to this moment.

the reason why Nino and Alya are shown to be spilling secrets leads up to this moment.

If it turns out that Luka knows about both, that means Adrien FINALLY has someone on his corner. AND THOSE ARE GREAT FRIGGIN NEWS MY DUDES. Because what luck! it's the guy that has made it his friggin mission to get Mari and him together.

It's the guy that has been asking Marinette to be honest. It's the guy that coincidentally, has the traits and character that could potentially reach out to Adrien and encourage him to do the same. He's the guy that values honesty, but has kept what few secrets Marinette has entrusted him with. He's the guy that ADRIEN HIMSELF recommended as a "second chance" for the snake Miraculous.

what do you mean he's not a good pick? he's an excelent pick.

boy bouta go like: "you want me to keep a secret? bet. Adrien bestie, u need a shoulder to cry on? Say less my dude."

AND LIKE CAN WE REMEMBER?? THE FACT?? THAT HE WAS ALSO MARI'S SHOULDER TO CRY ON ABOUT "RESPONSIBILITIES" BACK IN S3? WOULDN'T IT BE A GREAT PARALLEL?? IF HE'S THE FIRST ONE TO BACK ADRIEN UP???

THAT IS HOW YOU KNOW HOW SERIOUS ADRIEN WAS AND WHAT HE IS DEALING WITH!

I liked the jokes in the episodes, though at times there were just too many and didn't help the audience feel the gravitas of Adrien's or even Marinette's dilemmas.

I want you all to realize.

CHAT NOIR DIDNT MAKE A SINGLE JOKE IN THE EPISODE.

HE SAW A MAN TURN INTO A CUCUMBER. AND DIDNT MAKE A JOKE!

I WANT YOU ALL TO REALIZE HOW SERIOUS THIS IS?!

WE SHOULD BE TERRIFIED

Adrien has been locked up in his home for nearly his whole life where all the decisions have been made for him!

You don't think maybe he wants to go out and explore the world, do something, work at something for himself? To be OUT THERE, working/helping/doing good?

He already enjoys going out and helping people as cat noir, plus we know that he has a natural instinct to help others so I don't believe he'd be content just sitting around while others are in need.

I hate when people do this, believing Marinette should become the breadwinner of the family and Adrien the househusband simply for the sake of inverting gender tropes.

Both characters have been shown to want to be out in the world, one of the things they have in common is that they're not going to sit around or run away when there is danger.

idk why but it kinda rubs me the wrong way when people say adrien is gonna be a household husband??

don't you think he deserves to find himself, his true passion and be happy with his work alongside feeling useful?

This is exactly what I have been thinking this whole time!

they literally spell it out for you in the kagami art scene but everyone is watching it with kagami hating goggles and instead of seeing the scene for what it is

- kagami asking for adrien to be himself and him first striking a model pose which she rejects and then him striking a chat noir pose which she also rejects and then pushes him to find the in-between -

we get dumbass takes like uwu she doesn’t like his real self

like no? that was very much not what the scene was about?

adrien poses like a model because that’s what he thinks other people want him to be

adrien poses like chat noir which is what he thinks he wants to be/is an aggrandized version of what he wants to be

and adrien the person is somewhere in the uncertain in-between. chat noir’s swagger is just as much an act as adrien’s poise and the moments of doubt and uncertainty and shyness and cunning that peek through that is his fucking character so don’t sit here and tell me true selves this and true selves that ya’ll are wild and clearly watching a different show

Yes yes yes! Exactly this!

miraculous needs to stop telling us how adrienette are made for each other without developing them and they need to stop telling us through ladybug how chat actually matters blah blah blah and then never actually show him being important

No no no no no no no no no no no

I need someone to defend the "Adrien is NOT a sentimonster theory in light of this evidence and PLEASE tag me in it.

I don't even agree with how astruc explained some stuff, that doesn't make that whole lot of sense and could be refuted with what has been shown on the show or specials.

His insistence on the plausibility of the pro-senti theory (at least the mechanics of ot based on the people's questions) kind of scares me. I know he probably wants to defend and correct the specifics of certain points in the show with what he and crew intended and with how they are operating the rules (sorry it sounds confusing but I hope I'm understood).

I really hate the idea of Adrien being a sentimonster.

So….I missed some tweets from Astruc’s sentimonster thread that might alleviate the discourse I keep seeing;

Deleted tweet: “if adrien was a sentimonster aeon wouldn’t have been able to see him in the ny special case closed <3″

Thomas’ response (translation): That rule doesn’t exist.

Question regarding whether or not sentimonsters could reproduce thead:

Regarding the ability to sense a sentimonster—the peacock wielder can only sense an amok (the object used to control), not the sentimonster itself (i.e. Nathalie/Gabriel wouldn’t be able to sense Chat/Adrien is a sentimonster under their control).

Additionally, he has frequently referred to Adrien being perfect in the past, so this response parallels that/the situation with Marinette.

I’ve said this before, but I hate the “Adrien is a Sentimonster” theory. I absolutely hate it. It doesn’t do anything except make the story worse and send a really fucked up message about Adrien’s character actually.

On the surface, I get the shock factor behind the show revealing him to be a secret sentimonster, but that’s where all the appeal of that idea ends and then immediately burns into a dumpster fire.

Adrien’s whole story is centered around his autonomy and how it’s something he isn’t ever allowed to have unless he goes against the wishes of everyone around him.

Making him a sentimonster is revealing that “no, he actually never had it to begin with, and the idea that autonomy is something he could ever really have is flawed because anyone with the peacock miraculous regardless of who has it could potentially very easily just take it all away from him in an instant, and there’s not a damn thing he can do about it.”

I think that’s kinda fucked up actually, why would someone want that?

No because I know episode 5 is technically filler, I hope its not "useless filler" and actually contributes something to the series, like world development, some kind of character development, or maybe a message that needs to be told or something.

Hopefully we see some of the effects of Umbrella scene 2 on Marinette and Adrien because that scene felt a little underwhelming, especially after seeing everyone losing their minds over it on the internet.

I know that the Umbrella Scene 2 was supposed to mainly showcase how Marinette was taking Alya's advice (I think the theme of ep 4), listening to Kagami, show the friendship of Adrienette, as well subtly show the control Gabriel still has over Adrien (all of these which are very good points), considering what we have seen throughout Mr Pigeon 72, and how the fandom lost their minds in regards to seeing U.S.2 as romantic Adrienette development, I just don't really see why umbrella scene 2 was so significant in regards to romantic Adrienette development and felt the payoff for it at the end of the episode sort of lacked in that area.

Like I said earlier, I want to see some effects of Umbrella Scene 2 in Psychocomedian, whether it be platonic or romantic, though I hope its mostly platonic with some romance between Marinette and Adrien.

And expanding further, it would be cool to see the effects of the Umbrella Scene 2 on them individually, it doesn't really have to relate all that much to the other idk.

I know I have rambled but I tried to explain my feelings on this matter.

I also want to see Psychocomedian before the final episodes air because I am afraid it would hold no importance at all to the season

poor psychomedian no one cares about that episode anymore lmao

I want this to happen so bad now and love your tags

You fools. You absolute morons.

If you think Marinette Dupain-Cheng and Adrien Agreste are going to date post reveal, you’re wrong.

Clearly, they will date in their civilian identities when Adrien tries to move on from Ladybug, but Marinette will break it off because she discovers she loves Chat.

Then, ladybug will confess to a heartbroken chat noir and they will date as superheroes, which Chat will break off because he still loves Marinette.

THEN, Chat and Mari won’t date eachother because that whole superhero and civilian thing won’t work out. And then Mari and Adrien find that they also still love their old crushes.

Chaos ensues. It’s ridiculous, utterly ridiculous. And until they reach this point, the reveal won’t happen. As this is when they love both sides of eachother and this is where the writing will peak.

Mari and Adrien will be a mess in trying to decide. And the reveal will wrap it up in a nice little bow :)

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

And no I will not take constructive criticism.

I like what you have to say and I'd like to include my thoughts on Felix Chat Noir.

Actual question for y’all: is there any official confirmation that the leaked Catwalker concept art is for the villain of episode 23, Kuro Neko, whose name was changed? Or is that an assumption made by unofficial sources spreading the art around? And is there any confirmation that the character will appear in episode 23?

My first thought upon seeing this was “Felix”. Like he took the miraculous from whoever had it last and used it himself. My first reaction to the name “Catwalker” was like “skinwalker” which reminded me of the evil impostor act Felix pulled in season three, but then I realized that that was pretty dumb since that’s probably not what “Catwalker” is a play on. Plus, if Felix kept going with the impostor thing, why not make himself look more like Chat Noir? I get changing the design so that young viewers aren’t confused but the characters are due to in-universe magic, but I don’t think that’s what’s happening here. What does support it being Felix is that he’s supposed to appear in three episodes this season, all three of which we’re yet to see, and when this art (censor-blurred) was leaked in Lindalee Rose’s video, most people jumped to Cat!Felix.

My second thought: whoever this is is trying way too hard to look like Adrien.

I think my favorite theory, true or not, is that this is literally just Adrien again. For some reason, he loses his miraculous. Gabriel gets it in Ephemeral, but maybe Ladybug gets it back without permanently learning Chat’s identity, and needs to choose a new cat in an emergency, so she chooses Adrien. Maybe she does it because of her crush, or maybe Luka’s trying to lowkey push her, but Adrien thinks he can’t reveal himself, so he redesigns his hero persona. This leads to him having his bangs cut a lot more like his civilian self, and his name, Catwalker, being a pun on his modeling job. He chooses surface level traits that Ladybug would know about the famous Adrien Agreste to hide that he’s actually Chat Noir. My doubt here is that the pose of that 2D concept art is different from both his Adrien concept art pose and his Chat one. The concept artists typically reuse bases for the same characters, and I don’t recognize this one, although I haven’t seen many characters’ art.

There’s a popular theory going around that this is the “new visitor from the future” Winny mentioned once, and that he’s one of the future Adrienette boys. That theory is pretty cute and interesting, but this character’s face looks exactly like Adrien/Felix’s, and the character designers are pretty good at not making kids clones of their parents. Plus, if Adrien doesn’t want anything to do with modeling when he grows up, what would make his kid be “Catwalker”? I’m pretty curious about the visitor, but I’m not sure this is it. I don’t think this is future Adrien either, because he looks young and, once again, is trying very hard to resemble surface-level present Adrien.

About Kuro Neko

I’m not giving up on the sentimonster idea because the Zag influencers have said time and time again that Kuro Neko is the villain of the episode, just like every other “name” episode title in the show. If Catwalker really did get changed to Kuro Neko, he’d have to be evil, excluding the future-son-coming-to-help-theory or him being Adrien, unless Gabriel gave him the miraculous he stole and is forcing him to follow his evil plan.

This, or Cat!Felix, would be really interesting imo, and I’d love to see some angst and big brain plays. But as many have asked, why the Japanese name? This guy seems to be white, and there’s no component of Catwalker’s design that references anything Japanese.

What do have Japanese names are Mayura’s sentis this season. Optigami and Hack-San were both pretty smart plans, all thanks to her. My headcanon is that she’s been taking Japanese on Duolingo while on bed rest lmao. What also ties into Japanese culture is this character who was spoiled in a Miraculous World video, which reminds many people of a Japanese lucky cat figurine.

I’m pretty intrigued by the spoiled models all around, and I love reading everyone’s ideas. Lmk if anyone would like analysis posts about any of the other leaks, but right now I mostly want to know what information has been officially confirmed about them and what is just conjecture. I know that’s pretty hard to place when these spoilers were leaked illegally and Zag wants to cover them up, but if anyone knows, please let me know.

Edit in conclusion: to be clear, the theory I’m leaning towards the most as of right now, (being true based on what we know, not what I want to happen) is that Catwalker is Felix pretending to be Adrien using the cat miraculous. The concept art pose is what throws me off of the “Adrien using the cat miraculous but pretending not to be Chat” theory the most, as much as I like it, and the character having Adrien/Felix’s exact face plus the model pun name is what throws me off the “future son” theory.

I am one of them. I am a staunch sentimonster Adrien denier and I absolutely HATE the possibility of Adrien being sentimonster, and now I am scared for Felix too!

There is about only one specific theory that makes some sense where I'd probably be OK with Adrien being a sentimonster but even that has it problems when looked further into.

I say this because we might be getting something related to senitmonsters based on some of the clues others have pointed out but I feel its going to foreshadow a twist of a twist, like leading the audience and/or the character astray/one direction/to a red herring only for something to then be revealed as something else, like maybe a character thinking he is a sentimonster only to be revealed something else sentimonster etc.

Or maybe its going to be something like that not related to sentimonsters.

Like maybe foreshadowing/hinting at something else in the future that the audience may not understand yet and so they start developing these theories.

It is like one part of Felix and Gabriel's dialogue in "Gabriel Agreste," in front of the Emilie portrait. It suggests that Felix may be a sentimonster of some sort and that Gabriel is willing to end his existence if he doesn't comply with Gabriel, but simultaneously (maybe moreso) it suggests the same but without Gabriel "confirming" himself to be Shadow Moth [- some people thought it was suggesting this but I felt like it wasn't, but it could be taken as such] and implying Felix thinks he is a sentimonster. It would just be saying that Gabe is already powerful enough and doesn't have to be Shadow Moth in order to destroy Felix's life if he doesn't give him the twin ring (his wedding ring) back.

Its such well written, dubious and scary piece of dialogue!

And Gabriel got out of the whole ordeal thinking he got Felix of his case about Shadow Moth while Felix was one step ahead of him.

That piece of dialogue feels like it is written in way to heavily suggest that Felix is a sentimonster but not outright confirm it.

While I hate the theory of Felix being a sentimonster along with the senti Adrien, he has some convincing evidence for this compared to the senti Adrien theory.

I took a break from writing this post at the end of paragraph and came back to it later and now I am not quite in the same headspace as I was when I was when first writing this but this is pretty much everything what I wanted to say.

So to reiterate: I am a very firm denier of the senti Adrien theory as well as the senti Felix theory and I'd hate for both or either to happen, but for better or for worse I fear something is going to happen.

So, how many of you are out there that still simply deny the Sentimonster theory with all your being?