Yes Yes Yes But Like Before When I Had Only Watched S1, Since We The Audience Know What LB Doesn't See

Yes yes yes but like before when I had only watched S1, since we the audience know what LB doesn't see and Adrien isn't the type to be a playboy and a flirt and that he admires Ladybug I always kind of figured he loved her but like yeah I wasn't in the fandom when S2 came around but Glaciator sure was a trip, especially for Marinette, like you talked about.

BRUH I CANT BELIEVE I FORGOT TO POST THIS AAAAH for context i drew these right after optigami came out

recently i've been thinking a lot about the kind of character chat noir presents himself as throughout the show,, been thinking a lot about it now in season 4 (in respect to the role, or should I say, lack of a role, he has in all of season 4 so far)

i rewatched some season one episodes and i was honestly taken aback by how many puns and snarky lines he says in a matter of minutes, and by how blatantly cockey he comes across as fhfjfjgjgg *in evillistrator he says 6 puns in like less than a minute and it gives me psychic damage*

then i was thinking about how much the way we view him,,, the audience as well as ladybug,, changes after his confession and the reality of his genuine love for ladybug (revealed in the origins episodes and glaciator)

i find it absolutely bonkers how much the fanon changed after season 2 was released, as well as watching the origins episodes cause like *BRO IS ACTUALLY GENUINELY IN FUCKING LOVE WITH HER, HES NOT A PLAYER DJFNGNFN*

and then lastly, thinking about him in season 4 (even though we have yet to see him obviously express it) and how abandoned or useless he might feel,, since he hasn't really been blatantly necessary to defeat the akumas and amoks (EVEN THOUGH HE HAS BEEN NECESSARY IN THESE EPISODES ITS JUST NOT OBVIOUS TO THE AUDIENCE AND, BY EXTENSION, HIM)

also i couldn't decide which expression to give chat in this last image so when i asked the syrva discord they suggested i do both. so i made an animation. hdhfhfjjfjffjfjg

I despise the sentimonster theory but I agree with you 😐

I love how us clowns are assuming that if Adrien is a sentimonster he will find a way to free himself, possibly with a new power.

Like they would actually let Adrien do anything that lets him have control.

You know what’s sad about Marinette never even considering Adrien as Cat noir and Adrien being so ready to Jump on the Idea that Marinette is Ladybug?

It’s the fact that we will never get the worst/best Cold War of Chat Noir Vs Ladybug, both of them examining every interaction they to for some scrap of proof to prove the others’ identity and both of them coming up with planes to contrive a clue.

Ooh yeah, that particular bit of fanon is scrapped. Adrien will immediately jump on the slightest evidence that Ladybug could be Marinette, skipping the whole "finding a smoking gun" phase and just going "Yep, that's my Lady!", while Marinette Will Not Consider It unless it's literally staring her in the face.

Kinda funny, since fanfics often pushed the opposite, especially with Adrien. Even now, "Oblivious Adrien Agreste" is SO ingrained that there are still fanfics and jokes about it, even though he's shown that he can sniff out Ladybug, EVEN when she's wearing another costume, like in Feast and Kwamibuster, and has zero difficulty believing that she's the love of his life.

The entire premise of miraculous ladybug centers on this idea of an eventual identity reveal. That's the core of the entire galaxy-brained concept. And the writers decided to maximize that by giving us what-if scenarios. So instead of building up to the one and only reveal, we get to see, in canon, multiple scenarios for how it could go. We've had the amnesia plot. We've seen Adrien find out first and we've seen Marinette find out first. I bet you anything next up is a simultaneous reveal and I don't even care if it sticks or not because writing all these different reveals into the plot is such a genius idea. We get to see every option, not just "the" option. I get that it's frustrating to have progress erased but you will never hear me complaining about getting "what if" episodes. How lucky are we that we get them at all?

Because I can already hear them whining about it: the problem wasn't that Chat Noir didn't listen to Rena Rouge, the problem was that he wasn't told the plan.

That's why he listened to Marinette. Not because he likes her or something but because she informed him of what Rena Rouge was planning.