The Entire Premise Of Miraculous Ladybug Centers On This Idea Of An Eventual Identity Reveal. That's

The entire premise of miraculous ladybug centers on this idea of an eventual identity reveal. That's the core of the entire galaxy-brained concept. And the writers decided to maximize that by giving us what-if scenarios. So instead of building up to the one and only reveal, we get to see, in canon, multiple scenarios for how it could go. We've had the amnesia plot. We've seen Adrien find out first and we've seen Marinette find out first. I bet you anything next up is a simultaneous reveal and I don't even care if it sticks or not because writing all these different reveals into the plot is such a genius idea. We get to see every option, not just "the" option. I get that it's frustrating to have progress erased but you will never hear me complaining about getting "what if" episodes. How lucky are we that we get them at all?

Yes yes yes but like before when I had only watched S1, since we the audience know what LB doesn't see and Adrien isn't the type to be a playboy and a flirt and that he admires Ladybug I always kind of figured he loved her but like yeah I wasn't in the fandom when S2 came around but Glaciator sure was a trip, especially for Marinette, like you talked about.

BRUH I CANT BELIEVE I FORGOT TO POST THIS AAAAH for context i drew these right after optigami came out

recently i've been thinking a lot about the kind of character chat noir presents himself as throughout the show,, been thinking a lot about it now in season 4 (in respect to the role, or should I say, lack of a role, he has in all of season 4 so far)

i rewatched some season one episodes and i was honestly taken aback by how many puns and snarky lines he says in a matter of minutes, and by how blatantly cockey he comes across as fhfjfjgjgg *in evillistrator he says 6 puns in like less than a minute and it gives me psychic damage*

then i was thinking about how much the way we view him,,, the audience as well as ladybug,, changes after his confession and the reality of his genuine love for ladybug (revealed in the origins episodes and glaciator)

i find it absolutely bonkers how much the fanon changed after season 2 was released, as well as watching the origins episodes cause like *BRO IS ACTUALLY GENUINELY IN FUCKING LOVE WITH HER, HES NOT A PLAYER DJFNGNFN*

and then lastly, thinking about him in season 4 (even though we have yet to see him obviously express it) and how abandoned or useless he might feel,, since he hasn't really been blatantly necessary to defeat the akumas and amoks (EVEN THOUGH HE HAS BEEN NECESSARY IN THESE EPISODES ITS JUST NOT OBVIOUS TO THE AUDIENCE AND, BY EXTENSION, HIM)

also i couldn't decide which expression to give chat in this last image so when i asked the syrva discord they suggested i do both. so i made an animation. hdhfhfjjfjffjfjg

I've seen people hating on Marinette and/or the writing of Ephemeral for "doubting her feelings for Adrien" or like being "grossed out" by him after finding out he was Chat Noir but that's not what it was at all? At least not how I read it. I mean I fully expected and was in fact Looking Forward to the inevitable freakout and prpr Coping Period for Marinette while she had to rethink her entire world. If you didn't think that would happen on her end then idk if you've been paying attention to the show but anyways

Marinette wasn't doubting her feelings for Adrien but rather doubting their Validity, i.e. she was basically going through the True Selves(tm) discourse bullshit in her head - "Was I in love with a fake Adrien? Is Chat Noir the real Adrien and the Adrien I fell for just an act? Or is it the other way around? How could these two people I thought were completely different be the same?" It was only natural that she'd freak out because of how Adrien had compartmentalized different aspects of his personality in to different "masks" and how he always acted overconfident and over the top around Ladybug as Chat Noir. And then as she watched him more closely with this new knowledge, she started seeing how the two sides overlapped and fit together as one wonderful boy and realized they're Both parts of real Adrien, and that the boy she loved was also her partner who had been fighting alongside her all this time, and she loved him all the more for it.

Conversely in the Chat Blanc timeline she'd already been dating Adrien for some time before the reveal so she'd undoubtedly already seen him act like a clown around her, and on the flip side, seen Chat Noir act more Adrien-like around Ladybug since he secretly knew she was his gf, so it would've been easier to put the two of them together in her mind (and a lot of the shock would've been overridden by the intense emotions of the "breakup" that'd just happened). In the canon timeline, Adrien only resolved to act more like himself as Chat Noir in Glaciator 2.0, which was only 7 eps before Ephemeral. On top of that, as you know, those 7 eps had a lot of other important stuff going on in the foreground, leaving little time for Ladynoir to just hang out together and talk one-on-one like they have before. He hasn't had enough time/opportunity to really show who he is to Ladybug, and therefore at the present time Ladybug still has the idea of him being this overconfident flirt/clown - and that's really not her fault.

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I like the way your guys' interpretations and I kind of agree with you guys!

I still think that it was mostly because he had a slight confidence/happiness boost as well as Marinette's newfound knowledge that he is Chat Noir and can't stop seeing as Chat Noir and vice versa (we know how the episode beautifully went).

But I mean also remember Adrien in Season 1, when he new to school? He didn't exactly act like he did when he was in Ephemeral, but he did have a few moments here and there of what people would assign that to be "Chat Noir".

Some are freaking out because Adrien acts like Chat in their school.

But I'm wondering, it must be how Adrien acts all the time but because most episodes are focused on Marinette's POV, we can only see what she does. In Ephemeral, she is paying extra close attention to him thus, we see him joking in the class.

Idk. I kept thinking about it.

Hi! sorry to bother you, i'm trying to find the episodes with eng sub in miraculous. to but all i see is french dub without sub and eng dub. Would you help me out?

Hi! Sure no problem!

Well, the Miraculous.to page doesn't have that option at the moment... And i really don't know why, because all the videos with english subs that are going around, belong to that page... So, i think I'll ask to one of he moderators about that, and see if I can get an answer...

However, if you wanna watch the new episodes with their subtitles, there is a Facebook page that has them all! With french dub and English subs!

It's called "Slay Miraculous" and you just have to go their the video section amd there you will find all the episodes, in differents lenguages and with english sub! They upload the subtitle videos that belong to Miraculous.to (with the respective credits of course)

Here you have the link to their profile! 😉

You know what would be very pretty (as in, poetic cinema) as an ending scene for ML?

Older Adrien and Marinette stepping out of the townhall after their wedding to the first drops of a rainstorm, warmly smiling at each other as Adrien opens the original umbrella in yet another recreation of the iconic scene, complete with an In the rain remix, then them walking out arm in arm towards the Seine with angles reminiscent of the Solitude movie

(except it's not solitude because they're together, finally, and as we say in French, mariage pluvieux, mariage heureux, i.e. rainy wedding, happy marriage)