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I tried searching for a couple of text posts from a couple of months ago (all literally like from April or May) that I wanted to save now that I have an account, but so far, after a LONG time (started looking for them in early June), I was able to find only one of them.

I've tried looking for the other posts through various methods, both on tumblr and off it, yet I still can't find them.

I do not know if those posts can even show up in the tumblr search engine now because of their age.

How I went about trying to find the posts was putting in the appropriate tags that the post was most probable to be under and scrolling as far back as I can (under top and text) and checking the timestamps of some posts along the way to see if I had scrolled back too far. I would also find a blog that was somewhat dedicated to theories and analyses and search for the posts I wanted their blog to see if they had either authored the post or reblogged it. This is how I found one of the posts I was looking for.

Sometimes when I tried to search through tags and scroll back far, I was not allowed to scroll past a certain point (even though I know that tag had been used for years and still had a lot more posts on it).

Just please fix this tumblr.

Fix what I mentioned in the last paragraph of my post and allow us to use the search engine to be able to simultaneously search with tags and search about the text written on the actual post!

Also, give us a free, optional feature (that can be turned on and off) that allows us to be able to use the search engine to search for text found within a post!

I know it can already be done on someone's blog, but please try to make a feature that would work in a general search.

Can't believe Tumblr jumped to a paid subscription service before making a competent search feature

Its so annoying I hate how some do this and go against what has been established in the show and justs makes for confusion. I 100% agree with @chatblancismyfursona on this one.

For anyone confused regarding the cataclysm that hit Adrien;

If Emilie kicked the bucket, he could still survive—Adrien’s life isn’t contingent on hers.

All of these are very interesting and good points, but I just wanted to add the reason I always assumed why they have a rule against sharing their secret identities.

I always thought that the reason why ladybug and chat noir never shared their secret identities with each other is because if one of them was revealed/caught, nobody would be able to force the information of the other's identity out of them because they would genuinely lack that knowledge and thus the other's identity would remain safe.

I imagine this rule would have much more emphasis onto ladybug and chat noir since they are in possession of the 2 miraculouses shadow moth wants most.

Also because in the show they are in possession of the 2 powerful miraculouses.

… why? 

… why?? 

… why??? 

WHY?!

Yes yes yes! Exactly this!

miraculous needs to stop telling us how adrienette are made for each other without developing them and they need to stop telling us through ladybug how chat actually matters blah blah blah and then never actually show him being important

No no no no no no no no no no no

I need someone to defend the "Adrien is NOT a sentimonster theory in light of this evidence and PLEASE tag me in it.

I don't even agree with how astruc explained some stuff, that doesn't make that whole lot of sense and could be refuted with what has been shown on the show or specials.

His insistence on the plausibility of the pro-senti theory (at least the mechanics of ot based on the people's questions) kind of scares me. I know he probably wants to defend and correct the specifics of certain points in the show with what he and crew intended and with how they are operating the rules (sorry it sounds confusing but I hope I'm understood).

I really hate the idea of Adrien being a sentimonster.

So….I missed some tweets from Astruc’s sentimonster thread that might alleviate the discourse I keep seeing;

Deleted tweet: “if adrien was a sentimonster aeon wouldn’t have been able to see him in the ny special case closed <3″

Thomas’ response (translation): That rule doesn’t exist.

Question regarding whether or not sentimonsters could reproduce thead:

Regarding the ability to sense a sentimonster—the peacock wielder can only sense an amok (the object used to control), not the sentimonster itself (i.e. Nathalie/Gabriel wouldn’t be able to sense Chat/Adrien is a sentimonster under their control).

Additionally, he has frequently referred to Adrien being perfect in the past, so this response parallels that/the situation with Marinette.

I’ve said this before, but I hate the “Adrien is a Sentimonster” theory. I absolutely hate it. It doesn’t do anything except make the story worse and send a really fucked up message about Adrien’s character actually.

On the surface, I get the shock factor behind the show revealing him to be a secret sentimonster, but that’s where all the appeal of that idea ends and then immediately burns into a dumpster fire.

Adrien’s whole story is centered around his autonomy and how it’s something he isn’t ever allowed to have unless he goes against the wishes of everyone around him.

Making him a sentimonster is revealing that “no, he actually never had it to begin with, and the idea that autonomy is something he could ever really have is flawed because anyone with the peacock miraculous regardless of who has it could potentially very easily just take it all away from him in an instant, and there’s not a damn thing he can do about it.”

I think that’s kinda fucked up actually, why would someone want that?

plis

No because I know episode 5 is technically filler, I hope its not "useless filler" and actually contributes something to the series, like world development, some kind of character development, or maybe a message that needs to be told or something.

Hopefully we see some of the effects of Umbrella scene 2 on Marinette and Adrien because that scene felt a little underwhelming, especially after seeing everyone losing their minds over it on the internet.

I know that the Umbrella Scene 2 was supposed to mainly showcase how Marinette was taking Alya's advice (I think the theme of ep 4), listening to Kagami, show the friendship of Adrienette, as well subtly show the control Gabriel still has over Adrien (all of these which are very good points), considering what we have seen throughout Mr Pigeon 72, and how the fandom lost their minds in regards to seeing U.S.2 as romantic Adrienette development, I just don't really see why umbrella scene 2 was so significant in regards to romantic Adrienette development and felt the payoff for it at the end of the episode sort of lacked in that area.

Like I said earlier, I want to see some effects of Umbrella Scene 2 in Psychocomedian, whether it be platonic or romantic, though I hope its mostly platonic with some romance between Marinette and Adrien.

And expanding further, it would be cool to see the effects of the Umbrella Scene 2 on them individually, it doesn't really have to relate all that much to the other idk.

I know I have rambled but I tried to explain my feelings on this matter.

I also want to see Psychocomedian before the final episodes air because I am afraid it would hold no importance at all to the season

poor psychomedian no one cares about that episode anymore lmao

I want this to happen so bad now and love your tags

You fools. You absolute morons.

If you think Marinette Dupain-Cheng and Adrien Agreste are going to date post reveal, you’re wrong.

Clearly, they will date in their civilian identities when Adrien tries to move on from Ladybug, but Marinette will break it off because she discovers she loves Chat.

Then, ladybug will confess to a heartbroken chat noir and they will date as superheroes, which Chat will break off because he still loves Marinette.

THEN, Chat and Mari won’t date eachother because that whole superhero and civilian thing won’t work out. And then Mari and Adrien find that they also still love their old crushes.

Chaos ensues. It’s ridiculous, utterly ridiculous. And until they reach this point, the reveal won’t happen. As this is when they love both sides of eachother and this is where the writing will peak.

Mari and Adrien will be a mess in trying to decide. And the reveal will wrap it up in a nice little bow :)

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

And no I will not take constructive criticism.

I like what you have to say and I'd like to include my thoughts on Felix Chat Noir.

Actual question for y’all: is there any official confirmation that the leaked Catwalker concept art is for the villain of episode 23, Kuro Neko, whose name was changed? Or is that an assumption made by unofficial sources spreading the art around? And is there any confirmation that the character will appear in episode 23?

My first thought upon seeing this was “Felix”. Like he took the miraculous from whoever had it last and used it himself. My first reaction to the name “Catwalker” was like “skinwalker” which reminded me of the evil impostor act Felix pulled in season three, but then I realized that that was pretty dumb since that’s probably not what “Catwalker” is a play on. Plus, if Felix kept going with the impostor thing, why not make himself look more like Chat Noir? I get changing the design so that young viewers aren’t confused but the characters are due to in-universe magic, but I don’t think that’s what’s happening here. What does support it being Felix is that he’s supposed to appear in three episodes this season, all three of which we’re yet to see, and when this art (censor-blurred) was leaked in Lindalee Rose’s video, most people jumped to Cat!Felix.

My second thought: whoever this is is trying way too hard to look like Adrien.

I think my favorite theory, true or not, is that this is literally just Adrien again. For some reason, he loses his miraculous. Gabriel gets it in Ephemeral, but maybe Ladybug gets it back without permanently learning Chat’s identity, and needs to choose a new cat in an emergency, so she chooses Adrien. Maybe she does it because of her crush, or maybe Luka’s trying to lowkey push her, but Adrien thinks he can’t reveal himself, so he redesigns his hero persona. This leads to him having his bangs cut a lot more like his civilian self, and his name, Catwalker, being a pun on his modeling job. He chooses surface level traits that Ladybug would know about the famous Adrien Agreste to hide that he’s actually Chat Noir. My doubt here is that the pose of that 2D concept art is different from both his Adrien concept art pose and his Chat one. The concept artists typically reuse bases for the same characters, and I don’t recognize this one, although I haven’t seen many characters’ art.

There’s a popular theory going around that this is the “new visitor from the future” Winny mentioned once, and that he’s one of the future Adrienette boys. That theory is pretty cute and interesting, but this character’s face looks exactly like Adrien/Felix’s, and the character designers are pretty good at not making kids clones of their parents. Plus, if Adrien doesn’t want anything to do with modeling when he grows up, what would make his kid be “Catwalker”? I’m pretty curious about the visitor, but I’m not sure this is it. I don’t think this is future Adrien either, because he looks young and, once again, is trying very hard to resemble surface-level present Adrien.

About Kuro Neko

I’m not giving up on the sentimonster idea because the Zag influencers have said time and time again that Kuro Neko is the villain of the episode, just like every other “name” episode title in the show. If Catwalker really did get changed to Kuro Neko, he’d have to be evil, excluding the future-son-coming-to-help-theory or him being Adrien, unless Gabriel gave him the miraculous he stole and is forcing him to follow his evil plan.

This, or Cat!Felix, would be really interesting imo, and I’d love to see some angst and big brain plays. But as many have asked, why the Japanese name? This guy seems to be white, and there’s no component of Catwalker’s design that references anything Japanese.

What do have Japanese names are Mayura’s sentis this season. Optigami and Hack-San were both pretty smart plans, all thanks to her. My headcanon is that she’s been taking Japanese on Duolingo while on bed rest lmao. What also ties into Japanese culture is this character who was spoiled in a Miraculous World video, which reminds many people of a Japanese lucky cat figurine.

I’m pretty intrigued by the spoiled models all around, and I love reading everyone’s ideas. Lmk if anyone would like analysis posts about any of the other leaks, but right now I mostly want to know what information has been officially confirmed about them and what is just conjecture. I know that’s pretty hard to place when these spoilers were leaked illegally and Zag wants to cover them up, but if anyone knows, please let me know.

Edit in conclusion: to be clear, the theory I’m leaning towards the most as of right now, (being true based on what we know, not what I want to happen) is that Catwalker is Felix pretending to be Adrien using the cat miraculous. The concept art pose is what throws me off of the “Adrien using the cat miraculous but pretending not to be Chat” theory the most, as much as I like it, and the character having Adrien/Felix’s exact face plus the model pun name is what throws me off the “future son” theory.

It’s interesting how Glaciator 2.0 again showed that there is a big wall between Adrinette at the moment, caused by the fact that Marinette is too caught up in her own crush to really see Adrien for who he is.

Specifically, her reaction to seeing Adrien be sad is more “awesome, I can enact my plan!” than sympathy. And when her plan goes wrong because she picked the wrong gift, she never pauses to notice that Adrien was really happy to get a pottery wheel from her, even if it was unusual.

The frustrating (and fun!) thing is that it was all so close to working. It already did work, back in Gamer, when she gave him her lucky charm! If Marinette hadn’t been so caught up in her fantasy, if she had looked at the actual Adrien and his actual feelings, she could have absolutely made his day here. In fact, she did end up cheering him up immeasurably when he was wearing black and she had stopped with all the schemes and was just herself.

This matches e.g. Malediktator. Marinette was so focused on the fact that Adrien looked hot in the ad to see how it was distressing him. Her crush is in the way of her actually seeing him.

Even though it’s popular, I would not describe that as her putting him on a pedestal. She is not in love with the model and the image (at least not just); she is aware that he’s a real human boy who sometimes feels sad and frustrated. However, she is too much in her own headspace to really see what’s happening with him. And that is, in various shapes and forms, the defining factor in the Adrinette relationship right now.

I'm sorry, what would the obvious reasons be?

Predictions: Ladybug is tasked with finding out who Chat Noir is, which is why Adrien reveals his identity. Ladybug won’t react very well, bumbling crush and all, which Chat also won’t interpret very well for obvious reasons. Adrien, now feeling isolated, will come across his dad’s shenanigans and not have as much mental resolve to fight off being akumatized, like he did in Chat Blanc.

I can't speak on this confidently, as we haven't seen the episode "Gabriel" yet, but I think Adrien's growing resentment towards Ladybug is meant to parallel Gabriel's pipeline into becoming Hawkmoth.

I have also come to the conclusion that Adrien's whole character arc is revolved around the duality of the power of destruction, which I get is obvious, but hear me out. While destruction can cause chaos and harm to others, it also plays a necessary part in tearing down oppressive forces.

Let's talk about this scene.

What this scene has communicated to us is, despite the two of them having seemingly opposite personalities, Adrien is indeed Gabriel's son. What I mean by this is that the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree; both have a tendency to get caught up on their projected fantasies involving the people they love.

The position Gabriel is in right now, being Hawkmoth and all, is a direct result of him being unable to process his grief. Much like Adrien and his fantasy of Ladybug, Gabriel clings onto the fantasy of a "better world" with Emilie to cope with his grief and reconcile his guilt. Consequently, Gabriel has now become Paris' biggest threat and he's dealing out collateral damage onto his family (i.e. Adrien and Nathalie).

Adrien is at risk of falling down the same path; Adrien's grief has led to him becoming emotionally dependent on his romantic fantasy involving Ladybug. Even after everything he went through in this episode, this poor boy is still clinging to this damn fantasy for dear life.

Right now, even after everything that happened in Glaciator 2.0, Adrien is still stuck on this cycle of hoping Ladybug will one day fall for him, Ladybug rejecting him and inevitably breaking his heart, him getting depressed and lashing out because of it, him and ladybug reconciling, and then Adrien slipping back into the fantasy again to rinse and repeat.

In order for Adrien to truly develop as a character, he needs to break the cycle. He needs to break the cycle of damage his father is doing to the environment (as demonstrated in Mega Leech), he needs to break the cycle of complacency in his life, and he needs to break the cycle of enabling his father's actions. In order to do that, he needs to stand up to his father and get him to break the same cycle within himself.

If Adrien can't break the cycle, he's going to succumb to it and end up just like his father... or worse.

Chat Noir uses humour (flirting, puns: ie: ladynoir banter) to deflect from talking about sacrificing himself and i have a feeling that's only going to progress during the rest of the season.

since he does it in Guiltrip (EP 11) as well after his suicide attempt.

which, yes, was a suicide attempt.

It was already established for them that the bubbles could be destroyed with their weapons far before he got touched by any of them, so why on earth would he active his cataclysm to use on one bubble. all that'd do is set off his detransformation timer and they already knew the bubbles were regenerating through the walls. it'd just be frankly dumb of him to active his power to destroy even a handful of the bubbles.

but this is about the moment in Lies not Guiltrip skfndmsk

it averts the conversation and it's easier for him to put on his clown mask and make her laugh than talk about his frankly suicidal tendencies.

(It was just earlier this day the Truth confession happened, he knows she appreciates his humor and clowning around.)

he did it in Lies after sacrificing himself. She's distraught afterwards, and before anyone's like well the suit protects them he wasn't that hurt y'all are just overreacting,, it doesn't protect them against just plain fucking gravity ????. He scaled up this building

and then went up farther on his baton before free falling down. the moment he passed through the dome he was paralyzed like the others, meaning that there was literally nothing, not even his hands, to catch him.

He either died on impact or he was stuck lying there in excruciating pain from the broken bones he'd have from hitting the ground at that speed.

and she's rightfully upset, she's scared and distraught and mad.

and he makes a flirty comment and diverts the conversation like he always does.

and what's she going to do? yell at him? tell him not to divert the conversation? and then what? they both know there isn't anything they can do to prevent this from happening and they both know it'll happen in the future. Where it be intentional or not, Chat's the more expendable one, he doesn't have the cure. Sometimes it's either him or Ladybug, and they both know he'll never let it be Ladybug.

He's putting her first emotionally, he doesn't want to cause her more stress than she's already under, and telling her idk how much pain he was in while stuck there paralyzed isn't gonna help. arguing with her about this, something they both know can't change, is just going to make things tense and uncomfortable.

He doesn't want to argue with her during the rare moments they have together.

He's said it before, and I think this episode made it clear with the BTS moments of his daily life as Adrien, the time he's got with her is the most fun he has outside of school. The only fun he has outside of school/schoolmates.

And he barely sees her anymore, she regularly misses their scheduled patrols and while he doesn't blame her for it, he's understanding of her role as the guardian and the stress that's come with it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt, it doesn't mean it isn't a harsh reminder of a constant thing he deals with, being alone. It doesn't mean that it doesn't suck that the one positive thing he'd been getting through the day for, through the interviews, photoshoots and everything, and she didn't show up.

and she's visibly struggling emotionally throughout the first three episodes, he knows that and tries to be there for her, but doesn't want their time together to be wasted talking about him and this issue. He doesn't want to be another thing that's stressing her out, beyond the inevitable sacrifice that they both know sometimes is unavoidable. (Gamer 2.0, Timebreaker, Dark Cupid, esc.)

And I don't take her smiling as a "aw the writers are dumb and gross men and don't know how to write characters and here's my two cents on the ooc dynamic i've talked myself into believing is canon"

I take it as her accepting that there isn't anything they can do rn, and at least he's okay. He's joking and flirting and he's alive. That's good enough right now.

I REALLY want ephemeral to be Chat noir's 'Chat Blanc'. Where he gets the trauma on an identity reveal and has to find a way to deal with things. And he remembers that Shadowmoth is his father, and he has to DEAL with that.

This was funny to see after spending 3 seasons hearing Adrien talk about how much he hates camembert while plagg just gobbles it up. 😄

His face-

Pretty sure this is the first time we actually see his reaction to eating Camembert.

OOOHH

I like the way your guys' interpretations and I kind of agree with you guys!

I still think that it was mostly because he had a slight confidence/happiness boost as well as Marinette's newfound knowledge that he is Chat Noir and can't stop seeing as Chat Noir and vice versa (we know how the episode beautifully went).

But I mean also remember Adrien in Season 1, when he new to school? He didn't exactly act like he did when he was in Ephemeral, but he did have a few moments here and there of what people would assign that to be "Chat Noir".

Some are freaking out because Adrien acts like Chat in their school.

But I'm wondering, it must be how Adrien acts all the time but because most episodes are focused on Marinette's POV, we can only see what she does. In Ephemeral, she is paying extra close attention to him thus, we see him joking in the class.

Idk. I kept thinking about it.

Because I can already hear them whining about it: the problem wasn't that Chat Noir didn't listen to Rena Rouge, the problem was that he wasn't told the plan.

That's why he listened to Marinette. Not because he likes her or something but because she informed him of what Rena Rouge was planning.

You know what would be very pretty (as in, poetic cinema) as an ending scene for ML?

Older Adrien and Marinette stepping out of the townhall after their wedding to the first drops of a rainstorm, warmly smiling at each other as Adrien opens the original umbrella in yet another recreation of the iconic scene, complete with an In the rain remix, then them walking out arm in arm towards the Seine with angles reminiscent of the Solitude movie

(except it's not solitude because they're together, finally, and as we say in French, mariage pluvieux, mariage heureux, i.e. rainy wedding, happy marriage)

I despise the sentimonster theory but I agree with you 😐

I love how us clowns are assuming that if Adrien is a sentimonster he will find a way to free himself, possibly with a new power.

Like they would actually let Adrien do anything that lets him have control.