I've Seen People Hating On Marinette And/or The Writing Of Ephemeral For "doubting Her Feelings For Adrien"

I've seen people hating on Marinette and/or the writing of Ephemeral for "doubting her feelings for Adrien" or like being "grossed out" by him after finding out he was Chat Noir but that's not what it was at all? At least not how I read it. I mean I fully expected and was in fact Looking Forward to the inevitable freakout and prpr Coping Period for Marinette while she had to rethink her entire world. If you didn't think that would happen on her end then idk if you've been paying attention to the show but anyways

Marinette wasn't doubting her feelings for Adrien but rather doubting their Validity, i.e. she was basically going through the True Selves(tm) discourse bullshit in her head - "Was I in love with a fake Adrien? Is Chat Noir the real Adrien and the Adrien I fell for just an act? Or is it the other way around? How could these two people I thought were completely different be the same?" It was only natural that she'd freak out because of how Adrien had compartmentalized different aspects of his personality in to different "masks" and how he always acted overconfident and over the top around Ladybug as Chat Noir. And then as she watched him more closely with this new knowledge, she started seeing how the two sides overlapped and fit together as one wonderful boy and realized they're Both parts of real Adrien, and that the boy she loved was also her partner who had been fighting alongside her all this time, and she loved him all the more for it.

Conversely in the Chat Blanc timeline she'd already been dating Adrien for some time before the reveal so she'd undoubtedly already seen him act like a clown around her, and on the flip side, seen Chat Noir act more Adrien-like around Ladybug since he secretly knew she was his gf, so it would've been easier to put the two of them together in her mind (and a lot of the shock would've been overridden by the intense emotions of the "breakup" that'd just happened). In the canon timeline, Adrien only resolved to act more like himself as Chat Noir in Glaciator 2.0, which was only 7 eps before Ephemeral. On top of that, as you know, those 7 eps had a lot of other important stuff going on in the foreground, leaving little time for Ladynoir to just hang out together and talk one-on-one like they have before. He hasn't had enough time/opportunity to really show who he is to Ladybug, and therefore at the present time Ladybug still has the idea of him being this overconfident flirt/clown - and that's really not her fault.

You know what’s sad about Marinette never even considering Adrien as Cat noir and Adrien being so ready to Jump on the Idea that Marinette is Ladybug?

It’s the fact that we will never get the worst/best Cold War of Chat Noir Vs Ladybug, both of them examining every interaction they to for some scrap of proof to prove the others’ identity and both of them coming up with planes to contrive a clue.

Ooh yeah, that particular bit of fanon is scrapped. Adrien will immediately jump on the slightest evidence that Ladybug could be Marinette, skipping the whole "finding a smoking gun" phase and just going "Yep, that's my Lady!", while Marinette Will Not Consider It unless it's literally staring her in the face.

Kinda funny, since fanfics often pushed the opposite, especially with Adrien. Even now, "Oblivious Adrien Agreste" is SO ingrained that there are still fanfics and jokes about it, even though he's shown that he can sniff out Ladybug, EVEN when she's wearing another costume, like in Feast and Kwamibuster, and has zero difficulty believing that she's the love of his life.

The entire premise of miraculous ladybug centers on this idea of an eventual identity reveal. That's the core of the entire galaxy-brained concept. And the writers decided to maximize that by giving us what-if scenarios. So instead of building up to the one and only reveal, we get to see, in canon, multiple scenarios for how it could go. We've had the amnesia plot. We've seen Adrien find out first and we've seen Marinette find out first. I bet you anything next up is a simultaneous reveal and I don't even care if it sticks or not because writing all these different reveals into the plot is such a genius idea. We get to see every option, not just "the" option. I get that it's frustrating to have progress erased but you will never hear me complaining about getting "what if" episodes. How lucky are we that we get them at all?

the way Adrien stuttered like “You want to reveal our identities right n-n-now?” and then his small hopeful smile after the transformation dropped and then the way he had no hard feelings whatsoever towards Ladybug for not wanting to reveal her own identity right away because he knows it’s terrifying and then the way he said “my heart is beating so fast″ and “I hope you’re not too disappointed”

Like compare his actual reaction to the reveal vs the time he said “if you saw me without my mask, you wouldn’t be able to resist me” I’m crying he’s so sweet he just wants Ladybug to like him

Was there ever an analysis or theory you have read for a fandom you are in and it is really good but some parts of it are inaccurate/incorrect/incomplete etc. but you press "like" on the whole thing anyway instead of spending time reblogging talking about how you mostly agree with them but then list the small ways you add/correct/disagree with them about their post . . .

*inhale* *exhale*

So now its saved in your "likes" and you just see it as a post you mostly agree with but not fully and you just want to take/remove certain parts of that analysis or theory (or mostly just inject some of your thoughts into a reblog, just adding your take, or at least part of it, on the analysis) but you just don't?

If I had done this I would have had a lot more posts on my page.

Maybe I should just so I could voice some of my thoughts on the matter instead of just letting it bounce around in my head.

Don't want to stay complacent anymore in my regrets and make my thoughts known and speak for myself!

I’ve already covered this topic in my post about Emily hiding her true self, but imma say it again!

No, I don’t think that Adrien is a sentimonster.

And here’s why in a few points

•First if all, Adrien has his own mind and his own personality. Sentimonsters don’t.

•Adrien does not ALWAYS obey his father. Hell get out as Cat Noir and break the rules to have more freedom. Sentimonsters HAVE to obey, they work like that. They don’t have a mind of their own.

•Gabriel or Nathalie would have noticed it. Just like Nathalie felt the presence of Feast in the same episode.

•IF Adrien was a sentimonster, he would be dormant without a older, just like Feast. Now, Emily might be his holder, but since she died, he wouldn’t be able to have a mind of his own since she doesn’t control him anymore.

•About the ring. Adrien probably saw Gabriel play with his ring, and it reminded him of his lost mother. That’s why he let himself get akumatized, in the hope that he could see his mother again.

More proofs coming later.