Some Things Never Change, Happy 4th Anniversary To Frozen II

Some things never change, Happy 4th Anniversary to Frozen II ❄🍁

Was going to make an OFA poster but I'm running out of time so Happy 6th Anniversary to Olaf's Frozen Adventure as well 🔥

So you know that All is Found is coming out Nov. 7 and I’m very excited about this. I’m also agonized because I’m not a part of this 🤣😩

But that got me thinking… what if for the 10th anniversary of Frozen, the fans came together and did their own project? I was thinking an anthology as well, but I’m open to other suggestions.

@karma26 @true--north @hafanforever @greatqueenanna @lovewillthaw-j @frozensunflowersandlilies @secretsofthestorymakers @the-blue-fairie @hawthorne-spengler-stantz and so many others. I’m not making this exclusionary. I just tagged people I thought would be interested. More people can get involved!

I’m just interested in creating something. It’s the 10th anniversary! Frozen deserves it!

Ahtohollan can see the future

Nobody seems to talk about this:

"...A sharp pain of regret stabs at my stomach.

I never did get back home.

I stare down at the water, my vision blurry from the driving rain. To my surprise, a wavering image seems to float up from the depths of the sea.

A girl, laughing, and dancing in the wind.

Is it me? But no... it looks more like...

I turn and ask Agnarr, "Are you seeing this?" But he's gone off to confer with the captain.

I turn back to the water, desperate for another look. But the girl is now gone, too. In her place stand two women. One dressed in a glowing white gown with white-blond hair tumbling down her back. The other - a redhead - clothed in rich greens and black and purples, with a familiar-looking crown atop her head. Both women are smiling.

Smiling at each other.

My breath hitches. Tears well in my eyes. Could it be? Could these two beautiful women really be my daughters? Not as they are now... but as they will be?

Only Ahtohollan knows... a voice seems to whisper in my ear.

The waters churn again and the vision vanishes. I cry out in alarm, causing Agnarr to rush to my side. "What is it?" he asks urgently.

I shake my head. "Nothing," I say. "I just... I thought I saw something in the water."

Was it a vision from Ahtohollan? Or simply a mother's heartfelt wish on a wave? I will never know for certain. But still, I draw that image of my beautiful girls deep into my soul. Their wide smiles. The joyous looks in their eyes. It seems an impossible future.

And yet...

Why couldn't it be? They are strong; they are smart. They will be able to shape their own destinies. Make their ways as Agnarr and I once did. Find their owns happily ever afters.

I just hope they find them together."

-Queen Iduna, Dangerous Secrets

Now this isn't strictly canon because Jen Lee doesn't really consider anything outside of the main 2 movies canon. But I am going to talk about it like it is because the idea that Ahtohollan can see into the future could lean into my whole "Ahtohollan is a way across the veil" theory.

Now, Iduna's vision could be two things:

A visualization from the spirit of Ahtohollan

A true vision of the future

It obviously was not Iduna's wishes as a mother because the description of the girls matched what they looked like at the end of F2 down to the detail. So, I think we can nix that theory.

But what I will say is that it was Iduna's fear the they wouldn't make it, that she would never see her daughters again, and her regret over not seeing her home again that triggered this beautiful blessing for Iduna before she passed on. Ahtohollan showed her this on purpose. No matter which theory below is correct, Iduna was effectively shown the future.

In defense of A Visualization from the Spirit of Ahtohollan

Anna and Elsa were created to be the fifth spirit. They were created to break the dam, reconnect with Ahtohollan, liberate the forest from the mist, bring the spirits back, bring peace between the Northuldra and Arendelle, and carry on their work as the Fifth Spirit, the bridge. They were tied to Ahtohollon, through blood and spirit, from the beginning. They were always going to find their way to the Enchanted Forest because they were created for it. They would always be drawn back. Nothing in life is a certainty... but for once, this was. And Ahtohollan showed that to their mother.

In defense of A True Vision of the Future

Water has memory. Ahtohollan has access to All Memory. But what if, considering the magical nature of Ahtohollan, it's definition of "memory" is different from ours? Take a look at the way the memories work in the glacier, for example. It seems like the more forgotten a memory is, the deeper it is within the glacier. And yet, somehow, the memory is still there! Even though no one remembers the memory!

In magic, water is the connective element. In tarot, water represent relationships, love, emotions, and our inner worlds. In astrology, the water signs are intuitive, emotional, and compassionate. In Frozen, it has memory - a force that connects all of us. And what else is connective?

Time.

From the past to the future. And some say Time is a construct, but many physicists argue against this concept. In physics, it is the fourth dimension. It is a provable dimension of creation.

What if Elsa has yet to actually tap into her full power, as a spirit who can solidify the most (arguably) spiritual element?

What if Ahtohollan showed Iduna the future of her daughters?

Conclusion

Look, you all know I hate the whole thing in fiction that you have a shadow of what you actually want and somehow that is supposed to be comfort. Like in Harry Potter, with him holding the memory of his parents in his heart as comfort. Or the fact that Harry saw them in the 4th book with priori incantatem only for Dumbledore to promptly crush Harry's dreams because "the dead can't really come back" (no they can't but they were there).

I personally think that whole concept is a bit of a copout. I think Iduna was truly calling Elsa from the other side to bring her to Ahtohollan. I think Iduna truly saw a glimpse of the future of her daughters.

But either way, the whole point of that vision wasn't what it truly was. The whole point was to show Iduna what she needed to know: Your daughters are going to be okay.

Throughout both movies, (for the most part) Elsa’s clothes get lighter in color and weight, while Anna’s get darker and heavier. This symbolizes Elsa’s growing freedom and Anna’s growing responsibilities as they get closer and closer to their Fifth Spirit and Queen roles. Elsa’s final dress is meant to make her look ethereal and mythic, while Anna’s is meant to make her look grounded and connected to Arendelle. This is symbolic of their respective roles as protector and leader, and of the theme of myth vs fairy tale.

I love the idea of Elsa’s dresses being symbolically representative of the north as well, and I can totally see this fitting into the the mythic theme! (And a northern lights dress?! 😍)

(I LOVE costume analysis in Frozen SO MUCH, it was actually the thing that got me into Frozen analysis in the first place)

From my perspective, Elsa’s wardrobe changes are different aspects of “the north.”

In F1, it is ice, blue and glittering

However in F2, it feels closer to snow and the northern winds

Which leads me to wonder what F3 and F4 are going to have for her. I saw somewhere art of Elsa having a dress of the northern lights! I think it would be awesome if they continued with this northern theme.

❄️ Happy 4th Anniversary Frozen II!! ❄️