Alex Kister Callout - Tumblr Posts
I'm neutral on the situation,but really,I agree with this person. This shit is not okay
"OMG u support Alex!! U support a pedo/groomer/whatever along the lines!"
THIS IS NOT FUCKING OKAY. this rant is going to be so ugly but people FUCKING DOXXXING HIM?? The document has so many shitty gaps in it. And a lot of people are pointing out it's flaws. Alex is a 20 year old mentally unstable young adult, if mentally even that. Someone who had a whole career. Only to be pushed over by someone making some allegations that might as well not be true,considering the latest edits and news.
People are fucking heartless. All this Internet drama and people believe everything they see. I'll be honest I'm petrified. I'm petrified for his health. Do people not realize how dumb it is to just immediately go "listen to victims"!!! When the victims could be lying. Just with no other side of a story, and a 27 page long document with huge gaps in it, people just love to hate. It's true that Alex was mentally ill and is. And then Ven decides to do fucking this? ADMITTING THAT THEY WANTED TO END HIS CAREER? And then mention in the document that they want no threats to him. Fuck them. And as mentioned before, Alex had a suicide scare apparently some time not a while back. And with this. What the fuck.
People love to see the downfall. Fuck those people. Actually fucking fuck those people. What the fuck is wrong with them and their logic.
This shit is horrifying. Doxxing is so so so fucking terrifying. No one knows Alexs part of the story. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT FUCKING OKAY? SPEAKING FROM A STABLE MIND.
Yeah this stuff is getting ugly. The call out was legit for a bit but it's fucking insane how it's most likely not even true and Alex, almost not even mentally an adult, a 20 year old, is getting doxxed and shit while also losing his career. How fucking heartless can people be.
Ven (the author of the callout) deleted his post as of this morning. The post in question clarified some aspects of the document where Ven revealed that some of his wording was confusing and cleared up misconceptions about pedophilic or grooming claims.
One of the things that was clarified was that he and DB (the other main victim in the document) were and are both adults. I dont know why Ven took this post down, but another post that was linked on that one was also taken down, and the user who made that post had said they removed it as they were receiving threats. That post was about the transphobic comments in the document.
I dont know why all these posts were removed. If it was because of threats being made, that really sucks. But if they are clarifying information in them and supporting their claims, i wish they would have kept them up to support their arguments.
The document was also edited as of 7:30 this morning (march 17th)
It goes to say, i dont think i can put much faith into this callout anymore. The subreddit for tmc has also gone through a lot of information and do not support the callout
"OMG u support Alex!! U support a pedo/groomer/whatever along the lines!"
THIS IS NOT FUCKING OKAY. this rant is going to be so ugly but people FUCKING DOXXXING HIM?? The document has so many shitty gaps in it. And a lot of people are pointing out it's flaws. Alex is a 20 year old mentally unstable young adult, if mentally even that. Someone who had a whole career. Only to be pushed over by someone making some allegations that might as well not be true,considering the latest edits and news.
People are fucking heartless. All this Internet drama and people believe everything they see. I'll be honest I'm petrified. I'm petrified for his health. Do people not realize how dumb it is to just immediately go "listen to victims"!!! When the victims could be lying. Just with no other side of a story, and a 27 page long document with huge gaps in it, people just love to hate. It's true that Alex was mentally ill and is. And then Ven decides to do fucking this? ADMITTING THAT THEY WANTED TO END HIS CAREER? And then mention in the document that they want no threats to him. Fuck them. And as mentioned before, Alex had a suicide scare apparently some time not a while back. And with this. What the fuck.
People love to see the downfall. Fuck those people. Actually fucking fuck those people. What the fuck is wrong with them and their logic.
This shit is horrifying. Doxxing is so so so fucking terrifying. No one knows Alexs part of the story. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT FUCKING OKAY? SPEAKING FROM A STABLE MIND.
"I've also noticed that there's emotionally manipulative language used throughout the document meant to evoke a strong emotion and make the reader feel sorry for Ven." now that's the thing. Throughout reading the doc for the first time, and 2nd time, it seemed so" I felt so bad" instead of explaining what was done wrong and instead stretched out to 27 pages of almost what seemed like nonsense; allat for people to believe it. Which, successful. Now Alexs career is basically ruined! Great! /sarc
Let's talk about the doc. I'm going to share the notes I've made as I read through it. (just in case disclaimer that Alex said that he uses any pronouns so sometimes in this I refer to Alex with she/her and sometimes he/him)
Okay I'm reading the doc and the part I'm currently reading talks about Alex' gender identity and the screenshots provided are just... Alex talking about being confused about her gender identity, and there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that? This feels kinda transphobic. The perceived problem is Alex being parasocial, not Alex being trans
"Before Alex left Server B, he publicly explained that Amelia was a joke after a member expressed they were uncomfortable that Alex shared their dead name. People who were supportive of the change would feel weird about this." WHAT
I don't blame Alex for backtracking on the new name after SOMEONE SAID THAT THEY'RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT.
Like I understand that seeing your dead name can be uncomfortable but it's not like Alex wanted to upset them. Alex was (presumably) just experimenting with going by a name she liked.
Even if Alex is a bad person, can we not be transphobic against her?
So far, the way the doc is worded makes me think that stirringjuice wants people to think that Alex talking about her gender is a part of the reason why we should dislike her.
Compare "I decided to release some information into this server because I was tired of hiding everything. These were my friends as well. From the beginning, we planned to release this publicly..." to "Originally, I decided against talking about my side of the story especially when I promised to keep quiet, however, I feel like it is necessary to understand the context. I and several others have noticed this behavior pattern that Alex exhibits. This was dealt with in private many times before coming to a conclusion."
It comes off as Ven trying to make people think that the 16 year old mentioned is DB. The "this was sent to a 16-year old" is squeezed conveniently between Ven talking about DB. And then, after the doc is released and people assume (logically) that the 16 yo mentioned must be DB, Ven basically says "btw DB is an adult and I don't know why anyone would assume that they're the 16 yo mentioned".
"I do not want my name to be associated with this situation and all other names will be censored (the victims are allowed to come forward if they wish to). I understand it will be impossible to hide and that’s why, afterward, I will be leaving my accounts associated with this name" and then Ven went on to post many more messages on his Twitter and some on Tumblr (some of which he later deleted)
I've also noticed that there's emotionally manipulative language used throughout the document meant to evoke a strong emotion and make the reader feel sorry for Ven.
The annotated document I saw (a reblog of it can be found on this blog) sums everything up perfectly.
"He understands power dynamics" except for all those times Ven said that he didn't
"A quote from DB’s father, who is a lawyer consultant" it's a quote from justia dot com
Also why did Ven censor his username and profile picture in some of the screenshots, even though it's not censored in other ones? (this includes censoring his face, why would he censor Alex's face when we all know what Alex looks like?)
IM-FUCKING-PORTANT!!!!!
Look guys, i get that some of yall still believe in the victims and think Alex is this boogie woman that hurts kids (even tho this was proven false and confirmed by Ven themselves but whatever) , but for gods sake DONT DOXX PEOPLE
You all realize how dangerous that is? Doxxing a Trans woman and telling everyone how shes a pedo??? That shit gets people killed.
Im not american, but from what I see online, that country is a dangerous place for Trans people, and you guys seem to have no issue with sending a possible innocent woman to a possibly deadly situation.
Doxxing, death threats, none of this is even remotely justifiable or ok.
And btw, this also applies to the victims.
As much as i think Donut, Micha, Ven and DB are deplorable people for what they are doing with this situation, dont doxx or harrass them either. Be better than them. Fire with fire just creates more destruction.
I genuenly hope alex is ok and safe. Im still staying neutral, but i dont want anything bad to happen to her especially before she even give us her side
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Analysis of the way the screenshots were made.
Btw i didnt make this
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Mitcha, the 16 year old victim mentioned in the allegations, is currently tearing down their own credibility on twitter. From mocking and egging on the potential suicide of another user
Encouraging self harm for other users
And now drawing CP art and posting it to other victims posts
This behavior is unacceptable for anyone, but especially a victim trying to state their case and support other victims.
Comments on the posts that these drawings were on that questioned or challenged the accusations in any way were immediately removed, whereas this art was left up by the poster.
I do not support mitcha's actions and i cannot take their accusations seriously anymore. This has been an unfortunate blow to the credibility of any real victims of these accusations. Mitcha, i hope you are ashamed of yourself and your actions.
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everyone who believes that absolute bullshit callout that publicly humiliates and outs alex kister and POSTS THEIR PRIVATE SEXUAL PHOTOS AND TEXTS WITHOUT PERMISSION needs to go to hell im so serious. literally its a bunch of fucking ADULTS making shit up about her being a "predator" to minors when the only people theyve sexually interacted with were CONSENTING ADULTS. literally all fucking transmisogyny
A little analyzing I did during literature class. Please, if you have any info to add onto this list, LMK.
Allegations false?:
1. Major keypoints were brought out in a different setting after the document was released, attempting to defend everything in a logical manner; which seemed too specific to not be mentioned in the OG doc. For now though, the defences and explanations for any flaws were deleted by Ven.
2. Mitcha had advised someone who was pointing out flaws to harm themselves as defense.
3. The matter was never taken to the police, and instead exposed to the whole Internet in hopes that Alex Kister would lose his career. So, potential malice?
4. Ven used emotionally manipulating dialogue in the document, assumably trying to make the reader feel bad and pick sides blindly.
5. Text font was different in many screenshots,which could indicate to it being faked.
6. Apparently the picture of Alex in feminine clothing was photoshopped.
7. They're refusing to show Alexs face for some reasons, however in the past Alex hadn't had an issue with it, as far as I'm aware.
8. One of the victims apparently lied about age?
9. There are some switches of narrative and in general situation being changed.
10. The voice msg to some sounded like AI. (not sure.)
Allegations might be true?
1. Alex posted on Twitter, in a rather defensive tone about the situation and called the call out baseless.
2. Ty spoke out about it, but it mightve been blindly aswell to keep the fan base, knowing it'll get huge backlash if he didn't support victims.
3. Gabriel's VA also spoke out about it (unsure about this)
4. One of the people working on TMC weren't paid. (not exactly related but could've been a factor.
5. So many people are defending and relating, apparently.
I'll edit this later but please tell me more of what yall have to either defend or protect or deny.
I would continue to be picking out stuff about the Alex Kister situation and spreading awareness but i have been really stressed lately, and the Alex stuff just makes it harder to handle tbh
Also omfg if you're seeing this post for the first time by me then keep in mind, I am talking about the Alex Kister situation and I ain't supporting victims. I'm more skeptical of this situation and if you are too much of a moron to not even bother why and check my page, then feel free to stay the as the ignorant moron you are, and blindly continue supporting victims. Thanks.
I would continue to be picking out stuff about the Alex Kister situation and spreading awareness but i have been really stressed lately, and the Alex stuff just makes it harder to handle tbh
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This is important to whoever, whether u side with the victims or Kister. Or if you're neutral.
Honestly I've been also stressing sm about this situation, that I can't even get back into my regular routine. My school schedule and work is getting messier because all of this whirl wharl is going on and I am just petrified for Alex with the fact they mightve been doxxed. And I'm trying my best to advise people to look into the situation and provide info for those who are too tired to do so on their own. Stay safe everyone and please take care of yourself.
(update)
I don't know if I'll mentally be able to keep up on the situation after this. The amount of stress it has put on me in the span of a week is quite something. People have (I am unsure if this is true) supposedly doxxed Alex Kister along with her parents. My anxiety is at a high. Tumblr, TikTok, Reddit, and Twitter are currently virtual battle grounds on the TMC side. Specifically, Twitter and Reddit. Despite my own siding with the victims, I think that the situation has quickly started to reach dangerous territory and spiral out of control due to the unfortunate and reckless behavior of some. We still haven't even received an official response from Alex, and we may not if things continue in this way.
Please understand that even if what Alex may have done was terrible, doxxing under these or any circumstances could very well get a person KILLED. Some are starting to say that the document contains some transfem misogyny as well as transphobic wording? towards Alex by StirringJuice in it along with their Tumblr post. Analysis documents are being released by others due to inconsistencies/wording. Stirring has said they hardly want to consider themselves a victim. We are unsure of what is happening anymore; a lot of people keep spreading misinformation about the original document, important clarification/additions on the situation by some involved keeps being deleted; which only adds to our confusion. Everyone is becoming more angry and hostile towards each other.
Some of those who were staying neutral/wanting to hear both sides and etc., have been harassed, given death threats, and driven to the point of committing. Someone was going to attempt to end their own life due to the harassment and real life consequences they faced for asking questions, but luckily enough, they were just in time stopped from following through by a family member of theirs. The people on the other side aren't necessarily all the "evil, awful, parasocial "monsters."" You see them as, some of them haven't even seen a singular volume of TMC, nor know who Alex is. Of course, we support the victims. But please do not allow your anger to consume you and commit reckless actions against others online that could result in real life deaths. Do not escalate the situation to such levels. This has been one of the worst fandom responses I've seen in quite awhile.
Realize that no matter how much evidence you place down on the metaphorical table, skepticism and questioning by some will always be something bound to happen in situations such as these. One cannot simply attack, harass, give death threats to and attempt to doxx others for it. I myself do not condone doxxing. The amount of danger you put on someone's life and those around them by doing so is immense. It is, simply put, absolutely abhorrent behavior to do so.
The Mandela Catalogue is not fetish material! That was in fact confirmed as misinformation by StirringJuice, so stop saying that it is. It is not. As it is with many of my other interests, I'll be separating the art from the artist so I will be staying in the community. (art ≠ artist) If you want to cut off associations from TMC, I understand. But if you do not and people are pressuring you, Know that I support you in staying. You do not have to force yourself to leave. Other fandoms have had similar issues with creators in the past. I could list multiple examples, but I won't.
Dear TMC fans, fictives, coping links, kinnies, and everyone else out there in the community, this isn't your fault at all. Please don't beat yourself up over loving, having loved, or hyperfixating on a fandom. Sources and interests don't make us bad people by association; no matter what anyone else says, remember we are not the creator, like what you like. I know the situation is stressful, so stay strong. If they harass you, block them. If mutuals unmutual you due to fear of being associated, they were never there to stay in the first place. The real ones will stick with you through this; trust me, I know. My own have not left me.
I know you're scared, perhaps sad, disappointed or extremely angry but I believe we'll get through this.
And remember, although awful, this too shall pass.
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Big hugs. I love you all♥️ -Eve
WAAARRRR ISSSS OOOOVVVVEEEER (twitter still gonna go on rnats but whatever, THE FANDOM IS MOSTLY FREE TO BE IN AGAIN AND NO LONGER A WARZONE, IT'S A FREEEEEEEEE COUUUUNNNTTRRYYY!!!)
I still can’t believe this shit happened. Even if someone has been accused of doing shitty things, that absolutely DOES NOT give you permission to dox ANYBODY involved in this situation. I’m praying that nothing bad happens to Alex. I fucking hate twitter with a fiery passion. Doxxing someone who hasn’t even given their side yet? Fuck you.
Look guys, i get that some of yall still believe in the victims and think Alex is this boogie woman that hurts kids (even tho this was proven false and confirmed by Ven themselves but whatever) , but for gods sake DONT DOXX PEOPLE
You all realize how dangerous that is? Doxxing a Trans woman and telling everyone how shes a pedo??? That shit gets people killed.
Im not american, but from what I see online, that country is a dangerous place for Trans people, and you guys seem to have no issue with sending a possible innocent woman to a possibly deadly situation.
Doxxing, death threats, none of this is even remotely justifiable or ok.
And btw, this also applies to the victims.
As much as i think Donut, Micha, Ven and DB are deplorable people for what they are doing with this situation, dont doxx or harrass them either. Be better than them. Fire with fire just creates more destruction.
I genuenly hope alex is ok and safe. Im still staying neutral, but i dont want anything bad to happen to her especially before she even give us her side
ABOUT THOSE WHO ABANDONED KISTER
Now that Alex has been confirmed to be innocent— well— of the manipulation and predatory behavior, there are still things they had done wrong (and taken accountability for), lots of people are hating on those like Martin Walls, Chezzkids, Ty Osborne, Spidey, and the others who supported Ven/etc.
Yes, if they had read the document, they would have immediately seen how fishy it was. Yes, they should have stayed neutral at the very least. Yes, they “followed the crowd.”
There is not a single person who should be debating that their decision to do as they did was immoral. They chose PR over an innocent persons reputation and life.
We shouldn’t be defending or excusing these actions, but we should also be aware of WHY they would immediately support victims.
A good part of the blame rests on the shoulders of the fans/audience.
If certain people didn’t take these events as an excuse to dox and threaten people, this wouldn’t have happened. If certain people were capable of acting like civilized human beings, this wouldn’t have happened.
People who supported DID support got harassed, threatened, and doxxed.
I do not support the ex-crew members actions, but I will not condemn them for it. They were not protecting their reputation and career, they were protecting their life and privacy. Doxxing can be deadly.
You CANNOT create an environment where a blow to one’s reputation can endanger their LIFE, and then have the audacity to act SURPRISED or OFFENDED when those people act purely to save their own skin.
maybe I should just ignore the drama of Alex kister since they are not stopping the drama I should just make more Mandela catalogue content so I’m leaving tumblr so everyone else is not doing Mandela catalogue content on twitter and instagram and Tumblr I respect I supported victims and I truly believe that Alex is innocent but yeah I deleted my twitter again And I decided to delete it idc about the drama of Alex I will just stay In the Mandela catalogue fandom again I don’t feel like moving another fandom because yes ((don’t judge or hate me so yeah))
so have a good day and night I will never comeback again… once again thank you all
liking my arts in tumblr and Devainart and thank you all for following me I started tumblr since 2 years ago … so I will be moving on some point and I hope the Alex kister drama is over soon so yeah and don’t say Mandela catalogue is a fetish content but it’s not fetish they are having a break and the VA’s the community and Fans left some point so yeah
Bye intruder homies:
from:XxintruderLoverxX 2022-2024
Another document from ven just now
For some point I'm still in the Mandela Catalogue fandom but really everyone is forgiving Alex but ven made a document this morning because I woke up I helped my grandma doing watering the plants and I checked if there's any post about Alex kister drama and I saw the link and I'm starting to forgive Alex kister my internet friend which is Katari had enough about the Alex kister drama because I want the drama to be over I see people forgives Alex in his community post i feel sorry for him because I hit his feelings in Twitter and his career was ruined by ven and Alex was ok tho and I watched the live stream about the whole document of ven apologizing? About it and I specifically not to be confused and curious but I know why DB is a person and I know why alex is innocent
1. He is not a gr00mer
2. He's not a pr3d@t0r
3. He is not a p3d0phile
4. Don't harassment to anyone or Alex
5. Don't spread about hate on Alex kister just forgive him
6. I already support victims and Alex about this because I'm extremely so upset
7. Mandela Catalogue is not a fetish content stop saying it's a fetish content why would do such a thing
Idk how will the VA's coming back to the Mandela Catalogue to be a actors and I basically had what's on my mind many people deleted the fanarts of mandela Catalogue it makes my brain and heart so upset and they keep unlisted the videos and they keep making a hate in Alex
I cancelled my TMC au's and OC's
Everyone which is the Mandela Catalogue fans or community and crews Some point left the community left they really got so mad about it the actions about Alex
Because they say Mandela Catalogue is a fetish content and Alex said don't make sexual these characters but I don't sexual to the characters I only make a self ship to intruder because yes I only make a AU of it so I feel extremely tired about this
Also have a good day or noon or night and I hope the vol. 5 will be there soon and it's on delayed someone commented me on Twitter because yes and I hope Alex kister is ok and I will wait for his response he deleted his Twitter posts I feel sorry for him and I hope I can subscribe to his channel back because he only has 971k but I'm very still upset and I hope the VA's and the communites and fans and crew might forgive him I already forgive him i commented his community post on YouTube
So again don't harassment on Alex or ven
So I don't stay anyones side I'm on Alex's side and I stand with him for now
Don't judge or hate on me so
And I will see you guys if I'm finished what I'm doing I'm having a break and I have school works and do something for my family and I will see you guys if I come back to draw more Mandela Catalogue characters
So see you intruder homies 🪐
4/9/2024
I’m done doing with twitter it’s so suck’s already honestly the drama of Alex kister is over they are still making a response towards him as you know I’m gonna have a break for making tmc contents on tumblr and twitter because I made my pfp as Content deleted because why not many people doesn’t do any tmc contents and I was so broken after the drama of Alex kister…. So yeah I don’t feel moving another fandom or any analog horror series that I’m not gonna move on so yeah and so have a good day or night….
I will no longer post any arts on tumblr and others I will continue doing some tmc contents on yt
Please read this I’m tired of the Alex kister Drama and allegations and Accusings
I know he’s innocent Because I wrote this (((idk how to make a document))) I had enough of this I’m tired of looking on twitter and Tumblr