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This quote really shows just how little Condal and Hess care about adapting the actual story of the Dance. In Fire and Blood, the Dance is about a woman being usurped because of misogyny. That's it. It doesn't matter that Rhaenyra had bastards (literally no one cared other than the greens), or that she married Daemon so soon after Laenor/Laena's deaths, or that she had premarital/extramarital sex, or whatever other reasons TG stans spew out.

By taking George's story of misogyny and the harm it does and turning it into a former friends/starcrossed lovers story, Condal and Hess have completely distorted the message. Now I know they still want to have a "feminist" message, but clearly they're failing, as misogyny it thriving in the fandom and people are being more sexist towards Rhaenyra than the lords of Westeros.

One of the key parts of ASOIAF and it's related works is dismantling the harmful bigotry of the world it takes place in. That means that no, sexism and bastardphobia are not ok even though they're the norm in Westeros. That's the equivalent of arguing that rape is ok because it's considered ok by the Dothraki, Westerosi soldiers/lords, and Essosi slavers. One of the main points of F&B is the message that the conventions of Westeros and planetos are flawed and oppressive. Not that the Targaryens are the antichrist, or that misogyny is actually totally ok, or bastards are evil, or that the houses of Westeros are all great and nothing needs to change just because it's a fictional world.

HOTD has distorted the point of F&B in the name of their shitty rhaenicent fanfiction. They chose to make the issue more "complex" which misogynistic people in this fandom used to "prove" that Rhaenyra actually is evil. They claim to care about feminism and instead support the sexist narrative Rhaenyra's opponents came up with.

To summarize: Condal and Hess' obsessions with rhaenicent and making Alicent an uwu victim have destroyed the message GRRM was trying to send and undermines any "feminist" message they wanted to send.

Apparently Rhaenicents are claiming S2 will end with Alicent and Rhaenyra reuniting at Dragonstone, Alicent abandons Team Green and is 100% Team Black, helping Rhaenyra seize Kingslanding. Knowing Ryan and Olivia I wouldn’t be shocked if this actually happens 😂

But like, why though?😂😂

I don't understand why Condal and Hess decided to go for the HOTD adaptation to be honest. They clearly want to write a lesbian period piece, so why didn't they just write their own original thing? I mean they've made enough changes to the story of the Dance that they may as well just be making a different story.

I don't get rhaenicent shippers; like I understand the ship itself and why people ship it, but the diehard shippers are confusing. Rhaenyra and Alicent are on such massively opposing sides that them "making up" isn't logically going to make sense. Alicent raised her sons to hate Rhaenyra and her children, which led to Aemond killing Lucerys. Rhaenyra forgiving that makes no sense (not that there's no chance that couldn't be written, it'd just be stupid and would require even more inconsistency).

I don't see how an ending that requires these two characters to lose so much of their personalities and autonomy can be construed as satisfying. Rhaenyra's faction is responsible for Alicent's grandson's murder. Like they built her motivation around protecting her children, but now she's going to join Rhaenyra once she poses an actual threat to them? It's not a logical following of the story.

In order for that ending to come around, both Rhaenyra and Alicent's characters have to be retconned massively. Motherhood is a big part of both of them, but apparently their children shouldn't matter to them? According to these shippers anyway. That ending just makes no sense, especially with the changes made to Alicent's character in the show. But, I won't say it's an impossibility considering Condal and Hess' track record.

I NEED your opinions about this

https://twitter.com/WtDasoiaf/status/1774489198499684598?t=PPxX9vIyxF8IERTu0pQ8MA&s=19

That post was deleted since I started writing this earlier today, so I'll do my best to sum up what it said really quick. Basically it was some leaked script where Alicent is secretly meeting Rhaenyra at Dragonstone to negotiate peace. She offers to split the realm, Rhaenyra angrily refuses and Alicent is upset (because of course). Rhaenyra says she will spare any who bend the knee but Alicent says that that isn't going to happen. That's all I saw of it. Now, onto my rant:

I fucking knew they were going to try to make Alicent a "peacemaker". Condal and Hess are just going to keep shoving that goddamn rhaenicent narrative down our throats. Even after Rhaenyra's children have been murdered along with Alicent's grandson.

Like why the fuck would Rhaenyra go to meet Alicent alone? Alicent is her enemy, her son murdered Luke, her other son stole her throne. Alicent abused Rhaenyra for ten years, any goodwill between them now just makes no sense! The writers are constantly willing to prioritize their bullshit ship over cohesive storytelling and consistent characters.

There's a chance that the leak is fake, which might be why it was deleted so quickly (but that might also be because it's true). However, the fact that the scene is something I can definitely see them having in there speaks volumes. It wouldn't be the first time Alicent and Rhaenyra were randomly shoved into almost reconciling, and it still makes no sense.

To be clear though, Alicent's offer was actually in the book, however the setting is very different. In the book, Rhaenyra has taken KL and is in the process of hunting down Aegon and his supporters. Alicent offers it as a last ditch effort to secure power and security for her family. It's very obviously a power grab on her part, one that Rhaenyra quickly rejects, just like in that scene.

My main issue with this scene isn't the offer, it's the circumstances in which it happened. Alicent offered it because Rhaenyra was winning and was planning on killing Aegon as soon as she got her hands on him. She wanted power, her whole motivation in the book is power. She offers to split the realm because Rhaenyra has KL and has imprisoned Alicent. That scene is turning Alicent's blatant power grab into yet another scene of "poor Alicent, she just wants peace 😔". Something that makes no sense considering that she started this whole fucking thing when she declared war on Rhaenyra sixteen years ago. It's just frustrating and shitty writing.

I find myself agreeing with this woman’s thoughts on Alicent’s character this season. Which is a shame in many ways…

(Tagging those who might be interested in what this video has to say, I apologize if any of y’all have been trying to get this off your mind only for me to tag you here lol)

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The amount of morons I’ve seen on twitter that insist ‘a son for a son’ is still owed because Jaehaerys wasn’t Alicent’s son, so Rhaenyra somehow has rights to Aegon’s head is baffling.

Actually, scratch that. It’s not baffling at all, because this isn’t the first time I’ve seen such braindead takes from that side of the fandom.

Last I checked, Aemond killed Luke. Not Aegon. Alicent served up Aegon’s head on a platter, without even once considering that should Aemond live then Rhaenyra will come for his head too. And not only did she betray Aegon, Alicent’s actions may very well lead to both Gwayne and Criston’s deaths. And Daeron, who has done nothing but be born to her.

As for the stupidity of the insistence on ‘a son for a son’, maybe Condal and Hess should remember that the last time Rhaenyra sought revenge for Luke, a toddler was beheaded in his bed because of her husband!!! And if that son wasn’t enough—the poor, innocent baby son of Helaena—and a debt still needs to be repaid, does that mean Aegon now has rights to kill one of Daemon’s children then?

Same logic right? Rhaenyra didn’t get Alicent’s son’s head for Luke, but Aegon lost a son. So if Rhaenyra has rights to Aegon’s head, then Aegon has the exact same right to murder one of her remaining children yes? Baela maybe, when Aegon claims Dragonstone. Or Joffrey even, should he survive till the end. Maybe Rhaenyra can even choose and then watch, like Daemon made Helaena.

But that’s not right is it. Aegon would be a monster if he did that. No sane person would do that. No good person should want that kind of revenge.

But when it comes to Rhaenyra, TB will justify anything right? She indirectly yet directly causes the deaths of nearly 100 dragonseeds—oh that’s fine, they consented to being in the pit knowing they could die! She’s not responsible at all! It’s not as if she ensured they couldn’t escape right? The death of a toddler wasn’t enough because it wasn’t the right son, so of course she gets to ask for another too.

As if Jaehaerys wasn’t worth a life at all. Then again, what can be expected when even after his death, in a fight about his murder, she only ever refers to him as ‘boy’, ‘child’, and my favorite: ‘it’.

Rhaenyra was always going to have to kill Aegon for the throne. And that was at minimum, unless she went for Aemond too. Daeron I could see being spared by being given to the Faith or the Maesters. It was very, very, very obvious to anyone with even a shred of media comprehension (which seems to be very little given the amount of stupid comments I’ve seen). The issue is that she had to go on and make it very clear that Aegon will die, not for taking her throne or whatnot, but as penance for Luke dying. That is where she crosses the line. She can’t and won’t spare Aegon, but the least she could do was not be a lying liar about it.

Also: I never subscribed to the theory that Alicent will be the one to poison Aegon in the end, because I never considered that a mother would be so cruel to do so. She ruined his life; placed him on this goddawful path to war that he never wanted. The least she could do was not betray her own son that way. But after today? Not a chance in hell she won’t be the one to kill him for her precious Rhaenyra. I hope when all is said and done, and she’s locked in a tower for the rest of her life, she knows that it was all her fault.

Because F&B made it clear that Aegon had a legitimate claim. Is it a usurpation if by all laws and tradition he’s the rightful heir? The show decided to go the idiotic route of making it an outright usurpation. The Dance was inevitable in F&B. Here, it seems to have been caused purposely, with one of its leading causes becoming a major turncloak. And it’s sad really, because the Dance has barely even started. HOTD could’ve waited to make Alicent a traitor. Wait until the Gullet and Jace and Rhaenyra’s inevitable fall to madness, to make Alicent’s plea more realistic because it happens when the Greens look like they are losing. Instead, they did this. Unbelievable.

the fact that Alicent cares about viserys' disgusting ass more than her own children is really a crazy change, especially after THIS night.

i mean, the new canon tells us that the reason Alicent wanted to seize the throne was not out of fear for the lives of her children, but because VISERYS supposedly wanted it that way. and when it turned out that this was not the case, she easily turned her back on them all and almost was ready to bring Aegon's head to Rhaenyra on a platter.

((look, Otto didn't love his grandchildren, but he would NEVER do that to them, not even to Aegon, whom he can barely stand.))

viserys absolutely dgaf about THEIR - his and Alicent's - family. he didn't care about her feelings, her dignity, her desires. he called her by a wrong name, took away her girlhood, in order to have sons whom he did not love. he never gave her anything in return, only took away. but she shows more respect and LOVE for his ghost than for her own living sons, who are ready to give their all for the sake of a grain of such an attitude towards themselves.

now it looks as if she used her children while they were convenient for her: Aegon, being burned, can no longer guarantee her power - puts him under the enemy's sword, Aemond, who has been her support for years, began to cause problems - does not even remember him. only Helaena is left, and I'm inclined to believe that if she "shows her teeth" too, all of Alicent's tenderness towards her will fade. (daeron, RUUUN-). she hardly perceives them as persons, but this is a separate conversation.

"she wanted to torture one of my sons after her bastards took away his eye with impunity and will want to cut off the head of another my son for the throne, but she will be a good queen with whom I will want to escape into the forest" boys, that was THE moment when you should have run away from here.

she condemns them for the fear and hatred that she has nurtured in them for years. she's really terrible at this show.

tbh, I don't see any redemption for her. but also I don't hope that in this show she will face real consequences, and not senseless humiliation bc... just watch s2.

Yeah I’m a Rhaenicent fan, but I also refuse to watch S2 E8 ever again