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So I've been thinking about the "monkey-mind horse-will" philosophy and the way it perfectly applies to MK and Mei all day today SO I NEED TO GET IT OUT OF MY SYSTEM.

So I feel like it's extremely common knowledge that Wukong is an allegory for the mind in jttw and this allegory is still somewhat present in lmk, especially in aspects of MK's character. The whole concept of the fluid, ever changing thoughts in his mind. The whole "I try not to think about it", "I play dumb to lighten the mood". Him saying "There's nothing MINDless about me" in the season 4 finale. THE WHOLE THING WITH SMARTIE KID/BIG BRAIN BOY? These are just some examples off the top of my head there's definitely so much I've missed. But yes, MK has this as a very noticible motif of thoughts and mind rooted in his character.

Mei representing the will- or as I like to put it - the heart is less apparent, but hear me out. The whole "she acts before she thinks". The whole "she puts her family and friends first", and the "she's a protector" vibe of her character. She puts her HEART first. The contrast between this and MK is admittedly slight but still visible.

Monkies and horses have had other connections in eastern history too, I'm sure most jttw fans are familiar with keeping monkies in horse stables to wear off illnesses (Wukong's role as Bimawen is a reference to that :D), but besides the duo can also represent great success and fortune and have ties in the Chinese zodiac. So I feel chosing Mei specifically to be MK's bestie was done on purpose.

ARGH I don't know just the concept of MK and Mei being the "Brain and Heart" IS JUST TOO GOOD. The fact it isn't the regular route of "he's smart, she's sensitive" but a lot more subtle and nuanced is just taking over my brain. I love the whole "MK and Mei will become the Hero and the Warrior" theory but imagine that the finale message is that they are equal and there is no point in overshadowing one another (I like both versions of the theory, I'm fine with both Hero MK-Warrior Mei and Hero Mei-Warrior MK) because "mind and will" are both equally important. Like? How they're both capable of greatness and need each other's support. LIKE??

AAAA I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M GOING FOR

I've always heard theories/headcanons, throughout my time in the LMK fandom, that Wukong killed Macaque. Now, while I really like this theory, I'd like to pose another: What if he didn't exactly kill him?

Like, what if he meant to, but for some reason instead, left him there on the battlefield. What if the fight was so bad Macaque could've died, but didn't because of LBD's interference?

(But then, that leads to the question of why they were fighting in the first place...)

(This is a bit of an improv theory, but here goes-)

I feel like the very first episode of the season is going to focus more on MK's childhood, or lack thereof. We've already gotten glimpses with Master Subohdi (is that how you spell it??) talking to MK by the stone, and with the emphasis on the past and fixing past mistakes.. I think that's the most logical place to go.

Maybe we can get a moment where MK is going through it and asking all these questions about his origins and, to cheer him up or comfort him, Pigsy tells him a bit more about what he was like as a little kid. It seems (to me, at least) that, for some reason, MK blocked that moment where Pigsy met him out of his mind. He only remembers when he's pushed to by Subohdi.

So, maybe if we get that, we could also get more glimpses of MK's creator/Nüwa?? Maybe, throughout the episode he has moments where things start to remind him of something so familiar, but so distant in his memories. (I can see him saving a family and seeing them hug and stuff, and feeling kind of depressed about it, or even a bit jealous/envious. But then, he'd probably brush it off until it became too much and towards the very end of the episode, he meets whoever he's looking for.)

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something that's been driving me insane lately is the theory that Wukong didn't kill Macaque in the lmk universe

Macaque clearly thinks otherwise and we know they fought because there have been constant mentions of it

but i don't think Wukong dealt the killing blow

when LBD recounts Mac's death, the shot of Wukong just changes to this, where Macaque is bound by blue chains and we all know blue isn't exactly Wukong's color

but i think this is something that's been brought up a lot before so i'm here to bring up smth else!!

and that is the very different ways Wukong reacts to seeing Macaque and Azure Lion

when Wukong goes to save MK in s1, he just seems annoyed and angry. the first thing he tells Macaque is "Are you ever going to get sick of living in my shadow?" which just does not sound like something you'd say to someone you supposedly killed. he also does not look surprised or concerned at all

to add to this, Wukong never really mentions the fact that Macaque died

on the other hand, in the final scene with Azure, when Azure says "It's the whole reason I'm here at all!", Wukong responds with "Wait, how are you here? I put you in the underworld myself, how'd you get out? How'd you get the scroll?"

so. yeah.

HHHH I WANT ANSWERS MAN

Theory about season 4. SPOILERS BELOW!

So the Azure Lion claims that Sun Wukong betrayed them by surrendering to the Jade Emperor (which is very different compared to how Wukong technically lost a bet with Buddha, which is canon in the LMK universe since it was stated earlier on in season 1, I believe). But I don’t think the full story was shown (nor does the Azure Lion have the full story).

It was shown that just prior to Wukong surrendering, the Azure Lion, Yellow-Toothed Elephant, Golden Winged Great Peng, and Macaque were surrounded by Celestials. What if Sun Wukong was given a choice: surrender or have his friends die. It’s likely he could have won against the Jade Emperor but at the cost of the other four’s lives. So he surrendered, maybe then had the bet with Buddha and lost again, and during his 500 years of imprisonment, Azure/Peng/Elephant built that city that was shown (which was then destroyed by Wukong and his companions).

I also kind of theorize that putting Peng and Elephant in the memory scroll was Wukong’s idea over the Celestial Realms (they likely would have wanted the three demons dead over being imprisoned).

Thoughts?

HEY HEY HEY SEASON 4 THEORY HERE!!!!!

IN EPISODE ONE WHEN THE SCROLL DOES ITS SPOOKY INK THING AND GOES THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WUKONG WRONGED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, IN THE ENGLISH DUB WE HEAR MACAQUE'S VOICE SAY "YOU'RE NOTHING". EXCEPT HERE'S THE THING: HE NEVER SAID THAT TO WUKONG THAT WE KNOW OF. THE ONLY TIME HE SAID IT, IN THAT TONE IN PARTICULAR, IS TO MK!

"Or what? You aren't the Monkie Kid anymore! Your powers are gone. Your staff's gone. You're nothing."

HERE'S MY THEORY. WHAT IF WHEN THE SCROLL OPENED UP, BECAUSE IT WAS BEING HELD BY MK BUT WUKONG HAPPENED TO BE THERE AS WELL, IT SHOWED THEM BOTH THE THINGS THEY REGRET?!?!? BOTH THEIR PAINFUL MEMORIES?

THINK ABOUT IT. THAT SPECIFIC LINE WITH MACAQUE WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE OTHERWISE. I ALSO FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE SPIDER QUEEN SHOWED UP IN THE INK AS WELL, AND THEN INK MK TAKES ON SOME SPIDER FEATURES WHEN HE IS FIGHTING REAL MK.

Obviously there's some sort of history between the Queen and Wukong as well, however that wasn't explored in the episodes she was in/the New Year's special. The last time MK saw the Queen was when she told him to run.

MK feels such immense guilt for not saving her that she manifested as a painful part of the scroll's curse.

I love this monkey ( ˵•ω•˵ )♡ I made an alternative version of the color because I have a theory. I think he used to be one of the little monkeys, but then somehow got the powers of another demon. Perhaps by accident or Monkey King helped him with this. And this explains why the little monkeys love him so much, because he is their brother. Even in the past, he called Sun Wukong "Your Majesty"

Did you know that this dangerous little furball is acutally really important in Chinese Mytholgy?

What happened to MK’s staff? - Theory

Well to figure that out, we first have to start at the very beginning: MK’s creation:

Xiangliu: “The stone MK was made from was made by Nüwa. A remembrance from the chaos beyond. “

So, MK was made (along with the other stones) to be a “remembrance” of someone/something. Which is odd, because you usually do that for dead people… huh.

But anyway- other than that, we can figure out that in some way, MK is connected to chaos. Which could suggest that MK is actually made from the Primordial Chaos.

After all he is supposed to be a “remembrance”, and it seems like the “chaos beyond”, is a much older version of the Primordial Chaos, since the Primordial Chaos still exists.

Nezha: “The pillar is a mystic energy that holds back the Primordial Chaos.”

But if MK was made from chaos, wouldn’t that make him… unstable? Why would Nüwa create him like that?

Well, that I theorize to be because that in some Chinese religions, in this case Daoism, chaos is viewed as the only thing that can create the world:

“Chaos is understood as the state of unity and completeness which precedes and makes possible the creation of the world.”

But that still leaves us with the whole” chaos is unstable”- part.

I mean Xiangliu didn’t look that stable.

Luckily though there is actually two ways Nüwa could have held MK ”stable” long enough, till he could sacrifice himself: Wukong’s stone and MK’s destiny.

Let’s start with the Wukong’s stone thing.

I theorize MK was put in there because:

1. His destiny (which I will get to in a second) but more importantly-

 2. Wukong’s stone was nourished by heaven and earth before he was born. Meaning that Wukong’s stone is just brimming with Yin and Yang energy, aka stability.

Meaning this was the solution to keep MK from exploding the world before he was even born, which then leads us how Nüwa would have kept him stable after his birth: destiny.

I say this because destiny is often viewed as the opposite of chaos. And how do you make stability in Chinese philosophies/ mythology? By mixing two opposites together to create stability/ Yin and Yang.

Meaning this was how MK was kept stable until his inevitable death, where he would fulfill that very same destiny.

And now… MK has fulfilled his destiny, yet he is not dead.

Which means that he isn’t bound to anything anymore… but it also means he has lost the only thing that kept him stable. And now, chaos is starting to seep in.

This doesn’t mean though that MK needs to get himself a new destiny! It just means he has to figure out another way to keep that unstable part of him in check. (cough therapy)

However, if he doesn’t learn that quick enough it would uhm... do I even have to say it anymore at this point?

Anyway conclusion: Therapy

Hello Everyone 👋

Thank you for still sticking around despite my hiatus and liking the LMK incorrect quotes I post every now and then.

I know that I haven't been posting the x-reader requests as promised, but believe me when I say, life has REALLY been kicking my 🍑 lately, and I haven't gotten the motivation to write.

HOWEVER, I have been planning to let you all vote on two things. Whether you want me to either:

● Reveal an LMK OC plus art and a backstory in an AU to better fit the character/world

OR

● Post on theories I have thought about LMK + predictions on what Season 5 will offer

It's okay if you pick one or the other, since regardless of the choice, the losing poll will be posted after the winning poll.

The poll will go on for a week, so take the chance to see which post you want to see in the future.

Anyways, thanks for taking the time to read this. I promise to post as soon as I can. Drink water, eat, sleep and have a lovely day/night.

Bye 👋

So the poll finished a while ago, and the LMK theories + prediciton post won. Congrats to anyone who voted for the LMK theories + prediction post!

I am nearly finished with it, I just need to edit it and will post tomorrow.

For the people who vote for the OC post, don't worry. That post is in the works, too. I will post it whenever I can.

𝗟𝗘𝗚𝗢 𝗠𝗼𝗻𝗸𝗶𝗲 𝗞𝗶𝗱 𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗢𝗥𝗜𝗘𝗦 + 𝗣𝗥𝗘𝗗𝗜𝗖𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡𝗦

𝗡𝗘 𝗭𝗛𝗔 𝗔𝗚𝗘 𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗢𝗥𝗬

I know this theory has been talked about a lot, but I would like to put my own thoughts and opinions about Ne Zha’s age. Of course, Ne Zha died at the age of 12, yet in the series; considered to be a somewhat spin-off/sequel to the Journey to the West novel, he appears to be physically an adult.

Understandably, some people wanted to defend the idea of Ne Zha physically and mentally grown since Journey to the West by using other country’s beliefs of Ne Zha depicted as an adult, however, other countries still depict Ne Zha as a child, and the crew for LEGO Monkie Kid revealed he was canonically a child during Season 4, Episode 5 “The Court of the Yellow-Robed Demon”. This leaves to the question of how he managed to appear older. 

I have been pondering on the idea for quite some time, and while going through several posts of people’s headcanons, references from other media depicting the other characters from Journey to the West, I have come to a conclusion. 

To support this theory, I will be using Macaque as an example to answer the mystery behind Ne Zha’s sudden ageing in LEGO Monkie Kid. It has become abundantly clear Macaque has a missing eye, and in the Season 3, Episode 8, “Benched”, while trying to retrieve the third Samadhi Ring from Tang, for a split second, the tip of his tail becomes slightly white. 

While going through fanart, people often depict Macaque, having glamorised his looks in order to hide his features (i.e., his scarred eye). Saying that, I believe Ne Zha has adapted to glamorise his child form into an adult form, possibly from wanting to fit his mental age physically and feel comfortable. Macaque so far, hasn’t shown his true form for a prologue time, I believe Nezha can hold his adult form without any difficulty. 

𝗠𝗞’𝗦 𝗠𝗢𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗥 𝗠𝗢𝗥𝗔𝗟𝗜𝗧𝗬 𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗢𝗥𝗬

Season 5 of LEGO Monkie Kid is bound to show Nuwa, or MK’s supposed mother, on the show. Most people are wanting Nuwa to be a loving and caring mother, however, I do not believe that will be the case considering the direction the show is taking on MK’s backstory.

In the Season 4 special “Emperor’s Wrath”, the Kings of Hell in the Underworld are shown to be devising a plan for the upcoming events for Season 5, and personally, I believe Nuwa will be some sort of secondary villain associated with the main plot in Season 5. 

I am predicting that Nuwa has some strong connections, or at the very least, is acquainted with the Kings of Hell. Perhaps in the past, the Kings of Hell held a grudge against Sun Wukong after erasing his name from the Book of the Dead.

They weren’t able to change the pages since the paper magically link to the people whose names are written, and possibly, recreating a new set of paper will negatively affect the other people’s mortality; which the Kings of Hell are not willing to risk. 

Leading to the Kings of Hell requesting the aid of the creator of humans, Nuwa, since the residents of the Celestial Realm are not going to approve such a dire plan without the approval of the Jade Emperor.

Maybe the Kings of Hell gained Nuwa’s interest throughout a promise with a type of reward at the end of deal, and making her create a lifeform with equal or stronger power than Sun Wukong.

From the flashback in Season 4 Episode 6, “Show Me The Monster'', there were several stone statues of various animals before the creation of MK (hinting there were several attempts to create the perfect lifeform). 

The idea of creating MK as a mystic monkey probably links to the Journey to the West novel, in the chapter where Macaque shapeshifted into the Monkey King and deceives the other pilgrims; and before the reveal of the Six-Eared Macaque, it was stated that the imposter was close to Sun Wukong’s power level, which, I’m assuming, Nuwa took note.  

Since Season 4 has hinted that Sun Wukong had some sort of connection with MK before he was created, I am predicting that he possibly knew Nuwa as a friend before she became an acquaintance with the Kings of Hell. Nuwa used that relationship as an advantage to analyse his skills and powers, while discussing using Sun Wukong as a pawn to help MK to be trained by the Monkey King, in order for MK to unlock his powers later in life. 

Reasoning why I believe Sun Wukong isn’t aware of Nuwa is supported in the Season 4 special, “Emperor’s Wrath”, when Azure Lion was defeated, Sun Wukong questioned him who set him free from the Scroll of Memory, and Azure Lion had no recollection.

Supporting this theory, judging the age of MK when he first met Pigsy in Season 4, Episode 6, “Show Me The Monster”, he seemed to be around the age of 5 years old, which when he should some remembered of Nuwa or Sun Wukong to some degree, but it’s possibly she must have erased MK’s memories. This might be an ability that she might use in Season 5.  

Nuwa must have deceived Sun Wukong somehow to convince him to protect MK when he proves himself to have potential to become Sun Wukong’s successor, not only to allow MK’s abilities to develop and become stronger, but she might also use MK to spy on the Monkey King from afar.  

To support this theory, I will use the 5th Anniversary LEGO set of Monkie Kid, as Nuwa is seen to be in disguise while running a jade shop in Megapolis. Perhaps she purposely dropped MK off at Pisgy’s Noodles and lived around the city to observe MK and waited until he was ready to wield the staff. Sun Wukong must have done the same, but without the knowledge of Nuwa’s plan with the Kings of Hell (To learn Sun Wukong’s weaknesses for the sake of devising a plan).  

In the pilot episode of LEGO Monkie Kid, “A Hero is Born”, MK needed to deliver some noodles to a customer, but ended up dealing with the Demon Bull Family. Perhaps Nuwa also purposely made MK make the trip so that he can find Monkey King’s staff and allow MK to meet Sun Wukong and start training because Nuwa might have a deadline to finish her end of the deal, before the Kings of Hell will take action in Season 5.

𝗢𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗥 𝗠𝗬𝗦𝗧𝗜𝗖 𝗠𝗢𝗡𝗞𝗘𝗬𝗦 𝗣𝗥𝗘𝗗𝗜𝗖𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡

Connecting to the last theory, I believe there will be a likely chance that Season 5 will introduce the other mystic monkeys from the Journey to the West novel. Judging from the direction of the LEGO Monkie Kid series, there will be new characters introduced other than Nuwa, considering that Season 5 will focus more on MK’s past, and him learning how to control his monkey powers.

For those who aren’t aware, in the Journey to the West novel, it is canon that there are a total of four mystic monkeys, which includes Sun Wukong (Spirit Intelligent Stone Monkey) and Macaque (Six-Eared Macaque Monkey). 

The other two are known as the Red Butt Horse Monkey and the Pass through Arm Ape Monkey (using the translated names from the Chinese characters).

Since the series does slightly alternate the Journey to the West lore, perhaps the Red Butt Horse Monkey and Pass through Arm Ape Monkey were created before Sun Wukong and Macaque, and the idea of MK being a new mystic monkey existing in the LEGO Monkie Kid show does bring their attention and they will contribute to the main conflict of Season 5 (Perhaps they know much more about the upcoming conflict with the Kings of Hell and MK’s monkey power awakening).

This prediction might be a bit of a stretch, but since MK’s monkey powers will most likely be one of the main focuses for the plot of Season 5, I believe these two monkeys are willing to become an influence; both negatively and positively.

Reasoning for this prediction is connected to the fact that the Red Butt Horse Monkey is known to have the ability to avoid death and lengthen its life, which I believe might lead the show to make an alliance with Nuwa and the Kings of Hell. 

Meanwhile, the Pass through Arm Ape Monkey might be helping MK through his glitching when it comes to his monkey form, and might have more knowledge about dealing with  MK’s problem than Monkey King.

To support this theory, in Season 4, Episode 7, “Pitiful Creatures”, when Wukong first sees MK’s glitching, he looks like he doesn’t look like he know how to deal this side-effect of unlocking the monkey powers, considering that Sun Wukong and Macaque were already created as monkeys and were able control their powers. 

The Pass through Arm Ape Monkey might have known of MK’s existence through the battle against Azure Lion in the Season 4 special, “Emperor’s Wrath”, as the sky and the whole world was breaking apart, and since the Pass through Arm Ape Monkey can manipulate the moon and stars.

It could be the reason why the Red Butt Horse Monkey told Nuwa and the Kings of Hell about MK’s powers.  

I don’t have anything else to say about this theory/prediction. However, if the series doesn’t show them, there HAS to be some influence, Easter eggs, etc. connecting to these mystic monkeys.

𝗠𝗜𝗦𝗦𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗗𝗘𝗠𝗢𝗡 𝗕𝗨𝗟𝗟 𝗞𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗕𝗔𝗖𝗞𝗦𝗧𝗢𝗥𝗬 𝗣𝗥𝗘𝗗𝗜𝗖𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡

Aside from Sun Wukong and Macaque having their pasts explored, the series does have the Demon Bull King appearance in these flashbacks since he was once a member of the Brotherhood, first revealed in Season 4, Episode 2, “New Adventures”, as everyone is discussing who will be the next Jade Emperor after overthrowing the current one.

From this single flashback alone, DBK was shown to be a good guy, fighting alongside his sworn brothers for they thought was right, and it does beg the question: What made him change his morality from good to bad?

In the pilot, Season 1, “A Hero is Born”, he is first introduced as the main antagonist whose goal is to conquer the world, and suddenly Sun Wukong traps him under a mountain despite DBK being his sworn brother. This minor detail is very unusual considering that in Season 3, Episode 10 “The Samadhi Fire”, showcases Sun Wukong, Demon Bull King and Ne Zha helping to separate the Samadhi Fire from Redson as a child.

Judging from this scene, the event must have taken place post to the Journey to the West, as the Monkey King isn’t wearing the circlet, as most of the flashbacks which are taking place in the Journey to the West shows him wearing the circlet given from Tang Sanzang. The pilot does show Sun Wukong wearing the same suit of armour as in Season 3, Episode 10 “The Samadhi Fire”, and it's strange how the Monkey King went from helping the Demon Bull King to fighting him. 

Either something happened between the events of removing of the Samadhi Fire and the events occurred in the pilot, or off-screen there was some conflict between the two, but set a temporary truce to help Redson with the Samadhi Fire.

The most assumed event that could pinpoint the morality change of the Demon Bull King would be when he and Princess Iron Fan met during the battle against Heaven. However, I highly doubt that. Since this event took place before the birth of Redson, and if Demon Bull King and Sun Wukong didn’t have conflict during this time period, then this accusation would be inaccurate. 

This wasn’t a theory or a prediction, however, I REALLY do feel like talking about this since it’s been bugging me for quite some time. I hope that Season 5 will be able to resolve this plot hole and perhaps it might correlate with the main plot of the next.

While I do hope, I also doubt it since the Demon Bull Family has not had much screen time in recent seasons. But simultaneously, I bet there will be a chance since the new 5th Anniversary LEGO set does display Redson working at the BBQ restaurant in Megapolis, so maybe a slim chance. 

I was going to talk about Peng and Erlang working together in Season 5, considering the current conflict with the Monkie Gang and Peng, and due to the fact that Erlang is a cousin? Brother? Or a family member of the Jade Emperor according to the Journey to the West novel, and wanted to avenge his death.

(Probably ignore this one, this was a last minute theory)

But I didn’t know what else to talk about and it does seem like the two will be working on their own.  

Anyways, I hope you all enjoy the theories that I have come up with. I haven’t gotten the chance to re-watch all of the episodes of LEGO Monkie Kid, so I mostly relied on my memory. Leave some comments about your thoughts and theories of the series or what will happen in Season 5.    

”where’s Chaos Reigns?”

(For those who have been around since the first panel I ever posted) it’s coming. Who knew researching something that doesn’t have tons of info is hard but I’m starting to make a full cohesive story. I’m doing my homework and I’ve improved in my writing I think.

about the next panel, yea expect it tonight🤭🤭😚😚

Wow, my dumbass could've never thought about this.

Ever since I watched Lmk, the Macaque Episode has always bugged me a bit.

In the Pilot, it shows us that Mk has been documenting SWK's WHOLE LIFE, which means he probably knows the entirety of JTTW.

Then why didn't he know about Macaque??

Macaque LITERALLY tells Mk his full name "The Six Eared Macaque"

How did Mk, Monkey King's successor, The person who keeps Monkey King's stories documented in a book, not know one of the most popular chapters???

Does the Macaque Chapter just not exist or???

//s4 spoilers

saw the three clips that's goin' around for the episode and uh

IS. NO ONE ELSE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE "monkey bros" LINE WUKONG SAYS. TO MACAQUE. LITERALLY NO ONE ELSE.