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I don't even watch The Magicians but the level of queer rage I'm sensing from the fanbase at a bisexual character being killed of and the writers considering it 'revolutionary' bc he was a white man and thus 'historically safe' is really spite-motivating me to keep working on my very gay WIP (in which ABSOLUTELY NO queer characters will die bc f*ck you)

Okay but The Magicians has:

A bisexual man with depression that isn’t cured by love or discovering magic

A Native American woman who is suffering ptsd because of sexual assault and is never belittled for this

A woman who is allowed to be intelligent and sexy at the same time, as well as being selfish when she needs to

A gay man who suffers from alcoholism and drug addiction that isn’t treated like a joke

An Indian-American man who calls out racism, homophobia and sexism, and supports the women in his life

A Mexican-Indian-American woman who starts off as a party girl and becomes a great ruler who is allowed to be a bitch

A Native American-Israeli woman who is both mean and compassionate and these traits are able to coexist

A black man who is blinded but still retains his position of power and badassery

A woman who seemed like she was being brought in as a plot device but became a fleshed-out character with a storyline outside of her husband

Villains who are pervs and rapists and paedophiles and never shown as redeemable

A deaf character played by a deaf actress who is powerful and her deafness isn‘t just a plot device

A trans actress portraying a character who started as a villain and became an incredibly complex anti-hero

Three of the seven main characters are sexually fluid. The “coolest” of the group can speak fluent nerdom. The women are more badass than the men. The world is full of magic. And their vocabulary is a sailor’s dream. If you aren’t into The Magicians, what the fuck are you doing?

1.04 | 3.13

I want you to know, it’s your bravery that made me see.

the magicians + relationships ≡ Quentin & Eliot

“So, destiny is… it’s bullshit. But you are a High King in your blood, and somehow that makes sense. You know? For what it’s worth, I think that you are going to be a really good king. ”

[Quentin] sort of has the emotional wisdom of someone who is like 120-something years old.

The Magicians + The only battle magic they can remember, apparently.

Book Scenes + The Show Equivalent (1/?)   ↳ Quentin discovering Brakebills

My Thoughts on the Season Final

I know a lot of people are very hurt by how the season final has played out.

I myself am neurodivergent (ADHD), with diagnosed anxiety and depression, I am also pansexual. I was lucky enough to be brought up in a very loving and supportive family so have never quite felt the need for representation in media that I know others feel strongly. And there is nothing wrong with that.

I sympathise with the hurt everyone is feeling and definitely believe that the writers could have handled the whole situation much better. There are so many things that could have been done differently that would have saved a lot of people a lot of hurt.

But in saying that I also think the fandom needs to remember that in cases like this the writers usually have a long and intense consultation with the actor in question. I doubt that this was a decision that was made solely by the writers. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some background info about Jason that we aren't aware of yet that contributed to his decision to leave the show when he has.

Most importantly we need to remember that actors are human beings that have lives outside of the media we as an audience love and consume. That we need to acknowledge that they have families and sometimes family needs to come first.

Oh. I completely agree with you there. The situation was handled terribly. There is no doubt about that and absolutely no excuse for doing it that way. Queer baiting and the bury your gays tropes are horrific and in this day and age should not be something that we as a community have to deal with on such a regular basis.

I just think that people need to remember that these are real people and to keep that in mid before taking their frustrations and anger out on actors who may very well have other things going on that took their voice away and who would have had little say in the creative process.

My Thoughts on the Season Final

I know a lot of people are very hurt by how the season final has played out.

I myself am neurodivergent (ADHD), with diagnosed anxiety and depression, I am also pansexual. I was lucky enough to be brought up in a very loving and supportive family so have never quite felt the need for representation in media that I know others feel strongly. And there is nothing wrong with that.

I sympathise with the hurt everyone is feeling and definitely believe that the writers could have handled the whole situation much better. There are so many things that could have been done differently that would have saved a lot of people a lot of hurt.

But in saying that I also think the fandom needs to remember that in cases like this the writers usually have a long and intense consultation with the actor in question. I doubt that this was a decision that was made solely by the writers. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some background info about Jason that we aren’t aware of yet that contributed to his decision to leave the show when he has.

Most importantly we need to remember that actors are human beings that have lives outside of the media we as an audience love and consume. That we need to acknowledge that they have families and sometimes family needs to come first.

Quentin Coldwater

Ok after Quentin stood up to his depression monster I need someone to made a video about him using 'This Is Me' from The Greateat Showman so bad. Please anyone.

Call denial if you want!

Ok, I we just like to point out Quentin never said I had a wife. What exactly he said to his dad he was married. That could involve Eliot to. And we all know that there can be a husband and a wife in Fillory.

Question!

1)Why didn't you have Penny 23 astral project into female Knights dreams, instead of wasting his one-off magic? Then he could have stopped Alice from destroying the keys or at least stopped the library from controlling Magic. Not like that one off kill the mistake creature or whatever but there's a ton of s*** that that would have been better at and then it's one of pennies natural talents to go into people's dreams.

2) and the mistake creature must please get the information from the host at least if they're not completely aware or like some kind of weird Blended have Elliot half creature consciousness to even know Quentin's name or that he was going to be his caretaker / guard or whatever. And if he didn't know that Quentin was going to be his caretaker why would it go after Quinton first or how would he know what a goddamn card trick is. On a side note I also totally be okay if it's just because that's eliot's life partner and he saw that through his memories!

3) Does Margo's fairy eye still work? How does that work?

4) how much time has passed since they've been mind wiped to when Eliot / creature shows up. And what exactly did Eliot get possessed and what happened with the Knight girl?

5) What's happening with Quentin's Dad! Did he get sick again? Is Quentin going to get back his memories and find out his dad died when he didn't even know who he was! Oh God don't tell me about do that to us! And also did he tell his dad that he wasn't going to be coming back cuz he was going to play at the caretaker / Jailer thing,so is he even expecting him back?

6)Is Julia still a goddess or not. I mean at the end I know she said that she's not connected to anything anymore but at the beginning she wasn't connected anyways and she had to grow the spark so does she just have to repower up?

7) Dean Fogg what the hell!!! I'm feel like I'm missing a conversation or an entire C to explain why he made the deal and what the f*** happened. Cuz this s*** don't make sense! And it feels kind of like he's up to something or is that just my hopeful view of it.!?

8) Fen acting has hike King permanently until further notice Or is she going to come? Hey if so tick actually got what he wanted in a way. Fillory ruled by a Fillorian. Just not the one he wanted I wonder who he would rather have serve the children of Earth or a commoner. LOL

9) are we ever going to see our Penny again like at all. Between Persephone AKA our lady Underground with Julia and Hade's interaction with Penny all leading up to what happened with the finale and everything does it feel like they're pulling the strings.

9) and this is a throwback question that I just had. If she is the head librarian who gave her that title like who's above the head librarian? Bureaucracies of the library that's probably a book who gave her that tide bike who's above the heads library? Bureaucracy use of the library I'll probably a book.

10) You know the moment they turned magic back on and then Dean Fogg, Irene, and the f****** traveler dude came and put the Syphon on and everything; was anybody else expecting Quinton to summon that s*** right out of the back door. Cuz magic was already on a couple seconds before you think it would hit them first or almost instantaneously shut on cuz I felt it almost instantaneously when they shut it off. Those f****** had magic and they were just laying there on the floor if you can summon s*** out when there's a beast in front of you and your Frozen,you can summon s*** out even if there is some b**** high on fairy-dust trying to stop you!

And those are just my immediate questions after watching the finale. I'll probably have a s*** ton more ones I think about it and we watch like the entire season.

Holy Fanfiction Come to Tv!

Okay I have read a LOT of fanfiction since and before that particular season 3 episode 5 came and went trying to satisfy my need for resolution or just more of the for the High king and the disaster Bi King but damn The Magicians just wrote a better fanfiction that I've ever read and filmed it!!! Now I'm just forever hitting refresh till the next chapter I mean episode. Sorry is there actually a difference right now? at least we know we get next episode instead of those perfect Fanfictions that that stop getting updated right when it gets to the most interesting part and is never heard from again. But you know refresh refresh refresh............... Is it next week yet?

Found MY HAPPY PLACE, MOTHERFUCKER!!!! Rant Part 1: ALICE????? Damn that’s Long!

Let me just start of with DAMN!!!!!!! WHAT AN EPISODE!!!!! MOREEEEEEEEE!!!! 

Ok admitting it now I was a main Queliot shipping since pretty much Season 1 episode 1 when Eliot looked Quentin up and down the he was trying to figure out which end he was going to start eating first (innuendo intended), and it only got stronger the longer I watched. Soooooooo..... I’m going to be going off about my ship but I’ll keep it to the end. 

I will be the first one to say LOUDLY in fact that Alice has been one of least favorite characters since even before the series started. (No, not just because of my ship. Didn’t like even before that.) Seriously I didn’t want to even start watch at when I first saw the trailer with her in it, and ever trailer after reconfirmed my decision till I accidentally started watching it on Netflix , got a few minutes in and found out I don’t just have one female character I hated I had two Julia. My positions on Julia are now very complicated but I love watching her character arc now, even if I can’t get all the way back behind the her like I do with the others. But my very ardent dislike of both Alice and pretty much a majority of her screen time has been pretty damn the same 80% of time. Sure there are moments that I like or find cute or interesting but the pass usually rather quickly. Mostly because a majority of her character, her arc , and/or just her personalities’ tend to be prime examples of bad writing tv tropes the I have come to HATE SO MUCH. No not cliche trope cause I can like those if give the right context, though Alice isn’t anyway. I mean shortcut, cheat-codes,bullshit handed to you on a stick TV tropes that just diminish what they are trying to say to move on with the story instead of giving it what the story needs.

  Until this episode... this episode I actually wanted to talk about her, and not just in an angry and annoyed rant. Well not only.... ITS PROGRESS! Further more it gave me hope that it will continue.

Alice.........................(Starting Mainly focused on Character , then Relationships)

One of the few times I was actually fully invested in her story in that wasn’t based on any other character in a positive light was when the group go to Plovers house, and they discover the truth. So it only makes sense that the episode that makes me hopeful for her story going further starts with her and Plover. (Side note: I have seen people say Quentin calling back to Plover, being his favorite author is him trying to lessen what Plovers crime’s but I don’t see that way. But since its a Quentin focus that really does have to do with Alice; I’ll get into that later.) Her argument with Plover about his sins and her point of view on of he can’t be trusted to get what he wants let only deserve it goes as a really interesting rhythm to her and Q interactions. Though I really don’t know how I feel about the comparing of those to two. Especially considering the thing Q is stonewalling her about isn’t even the killing and torturing of creature some even children, but the betrayal and Plovers is sexually assaulting a child. But to address her question; No, I don’t think her sending Plover to the Poison Room makes her worse or better. Its one of those things that everybody has a different answer but no one knows what they would do till it happens. Her sending him to him “Death” (She didn’t lock it and we didn’t see him die, ok.) IS understandable. The thing I think that might, MIGHT put a tally in the worse column is that she didn’t stop to ask that question until Q’s reaction to her reveal. Only made worse by the way she revealed. Like she wanted a metal, reward or a pat on her head for it. (Which actually took a hit about the one thing she had going for me that the other characters didn’t, her independence. Even in her most dependent moments; she loved Q, but he was never her crutch.) But it moved on quickly from that so it wasn’t so bad.

Now on to the relationships..... I loved this episode in case you can’t tell, but what I loved most about this episode was what it did for the relationships. Yes I said RELATIONSHIPSSSSSS, plural, that right all of them. What it closed what it open, put in focus ALL OF IT especially what those relationship did or will do for the characters. But this rant is about Alice’s relationships (YES mostly Quentin because most of her relationship are Quentin or Quentin by Proxy). So let’s talk.

I should probably say that I love that the group (Quentin, Julia and by exception if nothing else: the rest of the questers.) have forgiven her, and don’t want her around. No that is not just Alice hate. It’s freeing in a way and it one of the thing that gives me hope about being further invested in her story arc. I don’t actually want or think they should forgive her or let only trust her, not yet at least. For one, she hasn’t actually apologized. Two, she hasn’t in any way actually shown she thought her actions were wrong, all she gave is justifications and I’m sorry I caused this because of my action not I’m sorry for my action, which is one of the main reasons everybody is pissed at her, her action not just the unforeseen thing she had no way of predicting. I have seen a lot of people saying Q should have forgive her like he forgave Julia, since she did basically the same thing. But the way I saw and interpreted this actually different. I am not really Julia-apologist with the view that she can do no wrong and is completely justified. In fact as previously stated I started off hating her just as much sometimes more than Alice and now I do generally enjoy her story and seeing where it goes along with her adorable moments, mostly with Q I still can’t bring myself to like her. (Mostly for what she did to Q in that one episode.. You all know the one. But that’s for a Julia centered rant.) But it actually isn’t the same thing.

Sure when if you strip down the story to the most basic detail sure it has similar lines. One of the group does something betraying or otherwise and the rest of them if not the world/worlds end up having to pay for the backlash and its all that characters fault. I HATE when stories do this, and so many do. They strip down the details to make one person/group understandable or forgivable to another because they kinda sorta did the same thing expect for all the important stuff but ignore all that. No, the the devil really is in the details. They are IMPORTANT. The how, why, when, where are actually very important, not just the what. If they weren’t you wouldn’t bother spending money and time showing them to me and I wouldn’t care. I call it  FUN-HOUSE EFFECT. I HATE IT, SSSSSOOOOO MUCH. It is BAD writing and it’s everywhere, even in really good shows, shows I love. Which just made that more excited about the writer not take the easy way out with Alice. Because that is what the Fun-House Effect is the easy way out, instead of the right way. The right way where forgiveness is a journey to get through no a detestation to move on from, and no I don’t mean a redemption arc. Though I do love a good one. I would like to point out it they’re not always the same thing. It cheapens all involve the origin sin oh now I understand sin along with the forgiveness sin along with all the feelings involve. Especially, because when writer use it to get the forgiveness the character and the story plot involved or driving by it don’t get what makes it all worth the pain, closure and since they never really get it in the story we never really feel it. I mean think about it this way just because two song about the same thing does mean they are the same and like any song it should be able to justify itself on it’s own. Putting them side by side or together in mash-up of any kind should enhance them both not diminish them. If it does it bad writing in a song or a story. I’m probably getting to carried away with the bad examples, and I’m totally getting carried away with my Fun-House rant.

Like I was saying sure in its most basic forum it’s one character goes against the group and/or does something stupid and all of them if not the rest of the school/kingdom/world/worlds has to deal with the backlash of that person/people’s action. Everybody else when they made their stupid/selfish/selfless ‘betrayal’ it was them putting themselves or someone else before the group/world by making a different decision but that was their choice. Even if it meant going against the others. Josh when he ran back to Brakebills, Penny when he sold out Quentin to be expelled, Julia when she took the knife or, Kady when she took the battery, Eliot when he shot the Monster, even Margo with the Fairy deal, Quentin when he didn’t help Julia ,they all made choices that they put in front other people’s and those people were mad and then forgiven it was a journey to some and understandable to others. Wrong, selfish and/or stupid choices they were but they all made them but the one thing they didn’t do is try and take away their choices and Alice tried to do that. Kady said best herself last season Alice doesn’t get to make that choices for everybody. In fact Alice made her choices she didn’t trust herself around magic, that’s why she and took the Memory Potion that was her putting her self above and before everyone (And actually her explaining it to is one of the moments I like of her in the last season and felt generally invested in), her leaving Breakbills after the whole thing with her brother her choice. What was not her choice was trying to make sure nobody had magic, because SHE thinks they don’t deserve it. To add insult to injury they were so busy trying to defend themselves from her trying to take away their choice it left them completely unprepared for what came after and just to spit in their face it turns out she took the potion so she wouldn’t have to face the consciences of said action. And she only trying to make up for the insult. That’s one of the main difference in situation about everything else. 

Other points as follows;

Quentin and everybody already didn’t trust her when they let her in on the quest after discovering  she was working with the Library but they gave her the benefit of the doubt because of what and who she to them (Mainly Quentin) before without her expressing anything learned or changed trying to take their choice away and give control to the Library. And oh look she changed her method but she still fucking tried to take their and everybody’s choice away about magic. Different plan same objective.It makes total sense that not only would they not forgive or even try understanding anymore even more so considering that they were all trying to do that before even going as far as to not want her help. I mean if someone who had tried to take away my choice while ‘helping’ before tried to ‘help’ me again in any way I would shut that shit down as fast as possible. So I loved the show’s reaction to her. Even more I love what I think it means for her next. Growth for Alice in a positive way, which don’t think she actually had.

Alice herself hasn’t grown in a positive way like all the other character. If anything thing happen to and/or around Alice beside for some and I do mean some aspects of her relationship with Quentin almost always went negatively toward Alice’s character. Her discovering what happened to her brother, her parents, dying, killing the Beast become a Niffin, coming back to life, being without magic, being around Quentin, Not being around Quentin, getting Julia’s spark, almost dying again, having to give up Julia’s spark, her dad dying, her trying to find her knowledge of magic again, making a deal with the library, breaking a deal with the library, destroying the keys all of it in a negative way. Just when you think it couldn’t go deeper into worse she gets a magically shovel and starts digging, Hell even the supposed good parts, with Quentin are linked  with how bad that relationship was at the start and how toxic it became. 

With Quentin very much shutting the book on them, it gives me chills with where her character can go. What I see come to her. Connection not related to Quentin. Like previously hinted at when talking about her independence, Q was her connection not her crutch. Which is maybe the one thing that their ship has above the others to me in a positive point separate some of the other main ships in the show, even platonic friendship ones and it has a negative impact on one if not both. Do they grow and become better somehow to sometimes, depends on the ships and situation sure. But you take those to and they get better apart. One of those main bad writing tropes that is all over Alice is that they never have her make a connection outside of Quentin. Even the moments she has with almost all the other characters is only happening because of Quentin indirectly or not. Now with Quentin and her at a close(thank god) she can hopefully start making other connection and those connections can help her grow like the others’ connections have helped them grow and change in both bad and GOOD ways.So she can finally get to a person she wants to be, again. Not the same person because that Alice is dead and gone and has been for a while. (Took you long enough to see and accept it, Coldwater.)

Hopefully Our Lady of the Tree or Underground send my hope to the writers. 

Yeah I see a lot of people trying to compare what Julia did with the Best to what Alice did with the keys and I don’t really see it like that. With what Julia did with the Beast it was putting herself and her choice before the groups, selfish yeah but understandable everybody on the show does it. Everybody in real life does it. But Alice with the keys wasn’t about her and her choice. She already had the potion and the way to make it work. That was HER choice about magic. When she destroyed those keys she was trying to make everybody else choice for them because she couldn’t trust their choices that she had already decided to remove herself from. While they eventually come to understand everybody else selfish choices and even forgive them, earning someone trust and forgiveness back after some even tries to take away your is something all together different.

i know a lot of people are arguing against julia and quentin being mad at alice in this ep and while you do you and like who you like i think they are justified to be angry? the whole gang sacrificed a lot to get those keys. 

benedict died because of the abyss key, then they lost penny to the library trying to get it back. while the mosaic life was beautiful and they both appreciate, eliot and quentin spent over fifty years trying to get that one and it cost one of them dying to get it. the unity key trapped josh in a musical illusion for who knows how long. 

and they all did all that not just because they wanted magic back, but because whole worlds depended on it to live. we know that fillory was shit at growing food and they were starving without magic, and yeah eliot fixed that in season 2 but like. a lot of worlds were magicless. and even on earth there were a lot of helpless people because of it.

then without saying a word to any of them beforehand, alice waltz in and destroys all the keys. let’s not forget that margo wanted to murder her right on the spot! and that when julia took the beast away, the gang was pissed at her and didn’t want to help her– remember how part of the plot in the heist episode was how to convince the others to rob a bank to help julia? that eliot and margo did it because they also needed the gold, and penny mostly agreed because of kady?

my point is it would be weird if everyone went and welcomed with open arms when they had no idea she’d been trapped in the library. from what they saw, she was working with them.

How about not that I know about the it, I need to go back and watch from the begin, because it carriers so much wait and detail about both of them  in that one little memory that it either changes everything or gives everything so much more DEPTH all the way back to season one episode one.!!!!!!!!!!

Sleep what is sleep??? I need to binge.

things that kill me about that scene from 4x05, Escape From the Happy Place

Eliot being so ashamed of himself he can’t even look at the memory of rejecting Q

memory!Eliot being so ashamed of himself while he’s rejecting Q and running away from the one man he knows loves him back that he can’t even look at Q

this being the moment in his life he’s the most ashamed of, he’s most traumatized by, his biggest regret, the one moment he can’t bear to think of until he’s forced to

Eliot being ashamed because he knows Q loves him and he knows he loves Q and he knows he rejected Q because he was scared and he tells himself off for that 

Eliot being disappointed with himself, angry with himself, so horrified with how he treated Q, how he’d hurt Q that he had to repress the entire memory

just Eliot confronting himself for snuffing out and brushing aside what he and Q have 

Eliot tenderly kissing Q, all the love and affection and longing he’s had for Q poured into that kiss

Q’s soft, stammering of ‘okay. sorry.’ after offering his heart to Eliot and asking if he wants to give it a shot and try for another 50 years and then gets rejected

now we know why Q kept pointedly referring to Eliot as his friend 

Q getting rejected by Eliot - who he remembers spending half a century with as his partner, raising a child with, having grandkids with, and discovering the beauty of all life with - and then being willing to sacrifice himself and spend eternity with a monster

Q thinking Eliot is dead and being willing to sacrifice himself again and die killing the monster who’s wearing his friend’s face

Q not being at all put off when Alice says he’s going to die in two days because Eliot is dead and Q knows he has to be the one to kill the monster and he doesn’t care if he dies

Eliot grinning and being so happy when the first person he sees when he has his body back for all of twenty seconds is Q

Eliot being so desperate to convey to Q that he’s not just alive, but that he wants to give their relationship a shot and he wants to be brave

Eliot wants to be brave 

for Q

Eliot being close to crying when he says peaches and plums, motherfucker!

the look on Q’s face when he realizes it’s actually Eliot, how he steps forward, how over the moon he looks knowing Eliot is alive and that he wants him too 

peaches and plums, motherfucker!

Especially if when he gets his body back he's like okay "I'm going to be brave I'm going to confess to Q and then he's like wait what am I wearing I can't confess in this!!!!!!! Wardrobe change, stat"

So we all know Eliot is an extra person who cares a lot about his appearance:

I really freaking hope we get a moment when Eliot gets his body back and he realizes what the Monster has had him wearing and he’s just HORRIFIED that his body has been walking around wearing that godawful shirt with a fucking baggy blazer/coat thing over it, and those pants that aren’t nearly tight enough to show off his ass. And then he realizes his hair is so unkempt and his beautiful curls are flat and stringy.

Let us have vain, dramatic Eliot who is pissed that he’s spent months walking around as such a fashion disaster.

@coney-island-blitz