Astro Notes About 8th House Placements

Astro notes about 8th house placements

These natives seem to always have problems with other people. Either they have people in life who manipulate them or use them or lie to them or only there for their resources.

They also tend to attract mixed reactions from people. Sometimes people are charmed by them and then unpredictably they lose interest and start ignoring them.

Somehow people around them show irrational hatred towards them. Whether they try to dominate them or control them or insult them or make them feel inferior

These natives are really perceptive of other people's motivations so it hurts to know that other is manipulating them but they cannot do anything against it.

These native struggle with weak boundaries and are massive givers. They give give give in relationships, not just romantic but others also.

These natives struggle with energy and emotions. On an emotional level, they feel chaos from the behaviour and actions of others but they don't oppose them out of fear. Internally they ruminate, obsess and go through emotional rollercoaster trying to make sense of other people's behaviour.

They can be really authentic people or at least in touch with their inner core. But whether they show authenticity or not depends upon their surroundings, psychological maturity and series of life events.

8th house is all about unpredictable, unforeseen and sudden events. But these natives also have a gift of intuition. They can feel the event happening though it has not happened yet. Eventually it does come to happen and they knew it was going to happen.

Some planets like Saturn in 8th house makes them resistant to change. These natives find it hard to change their personality because of the strictly material qualities of Saturn. They are unable to see the spiritual side of life and cling on to the material things desperately. This unfortunate situation causes much karmic lessons and prolonged struggles.

Moon, Sun and Venus in 8th house natives are the ones to psychologically transform during the periods of 8th house. They tend to destroy and recreate themselves throughout their lives. Some of the most secure people to be around because they are internally aware of human nature and psyche.

Venus and Jupiter in 8th house do really give rich spouse. If spouse is not rich at time of marriage, they become rich anyway after marriage. It does give a comfortable home life to native while spouse takes care of financial needs, especially in female natives.

Harsh planets like Saturn in 8th house gives life full of karmic struggles. It gives them delayed results, chronic diseases, financial ups and downs. 8th house is concerned with sudden gains and sudden losses.

These natives are initiated into psychiatry and tantric side of life. Eventually after emotional chaos one after another, they tend to look for answers in occult. They are suddenly exposed to occult out of nowhere. Maybe someday they stumble upon astro website or book. Maybe they get a tarot out of nowhere or make impulsive purchase.

Astro and tarot do really work for them. Especially for sun/moon/venus in 8th house natives, they can really figure out meaning, solutions and spiritual reasons for their problems using these tools. A lot of their headache will relieve if they start looking at their problems in a spiritual way. For eg, loss of money or paying taxes is 'sacrifice of the previous possession'; death of a loved one is the 'giving back to universe for greater cause'. The assured thing about 8th house is that it always gives back what it takes. The gain is either equal to or even much bigger than the loss.

Since people's perception of them is so unpredictable and the way people behave towards them is mixed, these natives learn astro to figure out the personality and motivations of the people they are exposed to. They tend to look for patterns in people to protect themselves from betrayal, being used and taken advantage of.

These native live a secretive life. They hide their life details from public eye. Hardly have a presence on social media and even then they tend to be rather private. But they can struggle with oversharing if air signs are involved.

Often times they can feel lonely in their battle against karmic lessons. Feels like no one understands their problems. They may not even get sympathy from people. If they open up to someone, it is always a person who will use their vulnerability to manipulate them for personal gains or gossip about their problems. Eventually they learn to keep things to heart and take things to grave. This is how they have the reputation of being "mysterious".

Also people seem to be irritated, annoyed and frustrated with them. It seems that 8th house natives always have karmic and emotional struggles going on. If they dare tell someone about it, that person is annoyed and ignore them or call their problem not important or change the topics or not take them seriously. I have seen it happen so many times with these natives. It really isolates the native in their dark times and they learn to be strong and solitary in journey.

At some point in their lives they switch from purely material thinking to reason+spirituality. They dabble between spiritual tools and mental tools to live their lives. Life does get quite hard for them especially with the 8th house emotional torture. I think that the emotional aspects of 8th house are really not talked about. No matter the sign placed in it, 8th house planets can give extreme emotional swings, pain, chaos, painful feelings that force them to do shadow work. It brings forth the unconscious sides of their psyche and with force they learn to acknowledge and make peace with it.

If you find someone with 8th house planets who is emotionally distraught, suffering mixed reactions from people and tired of their problems, do initiate them into occult. Tell them about spirituality, self healing and self development. Do gift them a tarot deck or introduce them to astro website or youtube channel. If they are not already initiated into occult by nature, they might eventually look to astral, cosmic, spiritual, emotional plane for the solutions to their problems. Things will start making sense to them sooner or later and they will transform into a new identity.

Many times these natives hide their occult interests from people due to fear of being judged, ridiculed and shamed. Since other people don't face the same emotions they do, they call these natives sensitive, dramatic and superstitious, even crazy sometimes. They do struggle with not being taken seriously by people even if they are knowledgeable and resourceful. People somehow either ignore them or judge them. It might also be because of inner voice of the native to self sabotage. Do check out "You can heal your life" or similar books sometimes.

The power of acknowledgement and validation

Being an 8th house moon/venus, life got really messy many times. Things happened suddenly, my emotional state was chaotic and it felt like whatever happened in my life path was out of my conscious control. It felt like my life was destined to unfold like that, with all the good and bad, and each downfall would be a turning point for me to emotionally and psychologically reinvent myself.

Growing up, unaware of psychology and astrology, I repressed and normalized all the toxic behaviours i saw in my surroundings. During my 8th house ruler's time period, all that debris came up to the surface and I began to process my trauma.

This is when I realized the power of acknowledging and validating someone's life experiences and emotions. This is when I learned how powerful it is when someone validates your trauma and acknowledges your feelings. Especially for 8th house natives who crave deep bonding yet find themselves alone in the crowd, occult can be a powerful tool to connect with their feelings and subconscious world.

I have seen one Saturn in 8th house native in pisces sign suffering because they dont trust in self healing. Their life was full of ups and downs, delays, struggles, long lasting health issues, life threatening events. Saturn made them disciplined, hard working, pushed them to their limits. But it also restricted their emotional state. It made them repulsive to healing. They are stuck in emotional patterns of self destruction and self sabotage. I read their birth chart and tried to acknowledge their feelings.

But I also learned that people dont change until they are ready to change. That is a tough thing to do. Very tough. Change comes from deep within. And it is a lifelong process. This is why venus in 8th house is famous for changing after each relationship. Because the change comes from within. The desire to genuinely want a better relationship. Their lover exposes to them everything that is wrong with their psyche. They bringe forth everything that was hidden from their conscious awareness. These natives then begin to fix things. This is healing.

Earlier I was really critical of occult communities and called them bullshit. But now I empathize. I understand that different people find validation of their feelings from different sources. Some find from watching tarot videos on YouTube, some from reading tarot spreads, some from astro communities, some from professional help.

I also find it funny how once upon a time I was the girl who used to message my birth chart to astrologer for them to read mine and tell me things about my life. I was so clueless when I saw my birth chart. But now, after healing, after going though 8th house period, after seeing rock bottom, I can naturally read my own birth chart. I can use my intuition to navigate astro. I can read other people's charts and connect them to their behaviour. I am better able to read people. Earlier my perception of other people was totally messed up. I would invest myself in wrong people, give my heart and soul to them and then face betrayal that would break me into pieces.

So, yes, validation of life experiences, being heard, being seen, being acknowledged are really powerful tools for emotional healing.

Friendly advice for 8th house/scorpio natives:

Stop trying to rationalize wrong behaviour. I know you are a fountain of empathy and always try to rationalize bad people's actions. No one is behaving bad to you because they have trauma. They behave bad to you because they choose to. They are grown up adults and they know how to behave with someone. So stop trying to rationalize their behaviours.

Next, you cannot change anyone. Even if a wrong person decides to behave right with you, they will not become right. They will stay toxic to those who will allow it. This is why you should have boundaries. Do not befriend people easily. Especially for people with deep emotional sensitivity, you take betrayal very seriously and demand utmost loyalty and honestly. While other signs do not care about betrayal, you are deep feeler and it hurts you in the deepest heart when betrayed.

So, keep boundaries. Take your time to match the words and actions of those in your circle. Only then befriend people. Trust very few. Write journals or vent online to anonymous strangers. I know from experience that I being 8th house dominant shared my secrets with some people and they ended up spreading rumors, gossiping, manipulating me, triggering my insecurities and reminding me again and again of my secrets in public. It was so painful to see the betrayal and shock that I vented my heart out to the wrong people.

Next, I realized that trust is something I treasure a lot. I cannot tolerate inauthentic people who are self centered, egoistic, selfish, liar, manipulative and exploitative. It is better to keep few people in my trust than to be the social butterfly. Never tell your secrets to anyone, unless you trust them for years. No matter how much someone pretends to be genuine and kind, they might be just pretending to get into your circle. When you have confident in yourself and have made peace with your traumatic past, you are less likely to attract predatory people who are looking for emotional and material exploitation from you.

So make peace with your past. Do not keep ruminating on the trauma. Subconscious rumination, venting, reliving the past, recalling the past, wishing things happened differently, going over the past again and again is bound to attract more abusive people into your life. These people are attracted to your subconscious patterns. Do not remain a victim. Do not seek pity. Do not seek sympathy. Be a strong person. Read stories of other people who overcame their trauma and built a strong character. Build up your personality. Do things that help you self actualize -- writing, journaling, art, sports, music, anything that helps you understand yourself.

These are some of the things I recommend to 8th house/scorpio natives. They will really improve the quality of your life.

Coming to terms with mental image: how to become a whole person?

All of us have mental images of who we want to be, how we perceive our parents, how we see our partner and how we imagine our lives to be. For 8th house, scorpio natives, there is a tendency to demand perfection from life. These natives tend to have black and white thinking. They think in extremes. They are highly emotional and do emotional thinking. But you have to realize that these expectations from people and life are infantile. Tyrannical father and devouring mother traumatize their children because they just dont have a clear image of who a human is supposed to be like.

I am reminded of this anime episode. In this cartoon, the two middle school girls are obsessed with their love interest Yuziko. They imagine him to be perfect, that he lives in a grand palace, his family is perfect and he is always happy with his family. This is a classic case of black and white thinking. This kind of imagination is real in 8th house/scorpio natives. Take a look:

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The little girl Kawashima is like the personification of love life of 8th house natives. Emotional, impulsive, seeking perfection, obsession, full of insecurities, stalker behaviour, she does charms to attract attention from Yuzupi. She always lives in a fantasy world of her love life. She is projecting her animus on Yuzupi. Her parents are likely emotional neglecting and she is not loved for who she is. Kawashima also 'worships' her classmate, places her self worth of his treatment, seeks validation from him. In many episodes, they show her doing love charms to attract her lover. She transforms herself to become someone whom Yuzupi likes. She is also super jealous and controlling. It sounds pretty funny, right? But what if I tell you this is how Venus in 8th house/Scorpio girls actually behave in their love life? Let's be honest here.

So, my suggestion for these natives is to come to terms with the inner image of life. To love yourself the way you want to be loved by someone else. That rush and butterfly in stomach feeling you feel for your crush or partner?? You should feel that for yourself. Have self respect as a person. Know your worth as a human.

What do 8th house natives have to deal with in life?

This post is for validation purpose. I have seen it so many times that 8th house dominant natives go through similar treatment from people around them, but remain confused whether their experiences are valid or not. The brain is unable to process what just happened and it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to figure out that people are actually treating them badly and they were not making it up or being extra sensitive.

Let's begin with some caution: You dont have to befriend or please toxic people. Leave them alone and focus on your own life. If you cannot ignore them, distance yourself emotionally and focus your energy on yourself. Study, read books, have hobbies, go to the gym, learn to read people, learn to identify personality patterns in people. 8th house natives always have problem with people treating them bad, but isolating yourself is not the answer. The answer is to put yourself in social settings and observe-learn-trial-error; keep learning from people and learn to identify them. If you get a hold of their birth chart, it will help you even more to connect their behaviour with their life path. As always, Stoicism is something I encourage. If you are not already emotionally strong then Stoicism will tell you "rules" to follow to be mentally strong. For eg, instead of ruminating on revenge fantasies, you can let go of the past and take a pledge to not become like the person who harmed you:

Now, let's come to some of the examples how people treat them bad:

Ever since they are child, there are people who gossip about them

They attract envy and jealousy from people especially women with venus in 8th house or scorpio sign

Not being taken seriously

Being isolated. 8th house energy plays out since childhood and it can make the native feel alone in the world because their emotional state, fascination or fear of occult, unexpected and unpredictable turning points in life can make them feel lonely.

Feeling cursed. Saturn in 8th house, moon and even venus in 8th house, also Jupiter, 8th house has mercy for no one. It is the most destructive house in astrology and can give you back to back bad luck events in all spheres of life. Career, finance, relationship, family life, in every aspect of life, they are dealing with unexplainable and complicated situations that come out of nowhere a hit them like a truck.

People pleasing. Before you are aware of your emotional patterns, 8th house natives because of their bad treatment harbours inferiority complex within themselves. But they do not know they have it, so instead they compensate by people pleasing, serving others, attracting vain and superficial relationships.

One positive thing about 8th house natives is that 8th house helps with self awareness. Many of us can feel our emotions but aren't able to get to the roots of why they feel the way they do. 8th house gives you a self destructive period to truly break your old structures and create a new self concept in its place.

Investing in wrong people. Due to lack of knowledge, exposure and learned patterns from other elders in their surroundings, these natives can be repeating the same patterns which are intergenerational without putting any thoughts into it. But again, 8th house brings psychological death so at one point in their life when they reach their lowest, they will attain self realization, self discovery while looking for answers to their life problems. They are automatically attracted to occult and spirituality because this is how their psyche works.

Self pity. Their bad luck fate being something that started when they were kids, people who were supposed to love them actually lied and gossiped about them, getting into relationships out of desperation, obsession with romantic love and inability to control their emotions and most importantly not knowing that their own personality is causing most of their problems . This can lead to self pity and confusion.

These natives can be both abused by others and themselves abuse others. Usually it happens because they dont know how to process their feelings to be able to figure out the root cause of their problem. Anima possession, ego inflation and lack of self concept are some of the issues that could be lying in their psyche. See for yourself how your symptoms harbour these core issues.

Scorpio people can learn a thing or two from this:

Scorpio placements are not as emotional and spiritual as they are made out to be. Immature Scorpio can be some of the most superficial and toxic people ever. They can be controlling, impulsive, manipulative, idealize others, gossiper, selfish, reckless with money and sex. Depending upon other placements, they can be obsessed with status, respect, power and authority, thus making them proper narcissist.

If you are a Scorpio placement and are aware of your own narcissistic patterns, then you can try to change yourself. Why? To literally become a better person, if you do care about that. To become a better friend, partner, son/daughter, father/mother, sibling and a better human in general. Narcissistic people are a pain in the ass and you will invariably attract other narcissist, codependent, emotionally disturbed or mentally ill people in your life. On videos like the above, so many comment "I am an empath and my narcissist ex/parent was so abusive uh huh" but what they seem to ignore is their own narcissistic shadow. The fact that a narcissist was in your life is proof that you're not as innocent as you think you are. Time for shadow work. You were codependent, insecure, people pleaser, selfish too. An "empath" is also a narcissist but in other ways. I wonder what narcissistic traits Dr Ramani is hiding behind her mask? Is her YouTube channel a tool for status, superiority, power and idealization from "victims of narcissist abuse"? I hope Dr Ramani is self aware and keeps reflecting on herself as well. She better not become a narcissist herself.

Self awareness comes with self destruction and reconstruction. It will not be easy. Nobody said it would be easy. It will not be quick. You might spend your whole life trying to become a better person. It will not be pretty. Self transformation is ugly and chaotic. It will not feel good. Facing your bad traits is mind numbing and trying to change yourself is extremely painful. For every self destructive trait, you will need a creative and constructive outlet to replace that energy and void. I personally despise feel good astrology or feel good spirituality. The astro community is full of all the "aesthetics, synastry, relationships, manifestations, personality traits". All that is good and fun but it does not help clean the dirt off the heart. It does not make me a better person to know that I give femme fatale vibes because I am Scorpio rising.

For eg, I write blog, read books, write journals, do meditation to channel my toxic traits into healthier ways.

Does it even matter? Yes it matters to me. What will I gain from being a better person (narcissist supply)? Probably, inner peace, humility, empathy.