Ectolocation Doodle Dump

Ectolocation Doodle Dump

Tim is such a fangirl sometimes for Lex (and he hates it because he wants to be mad at him for hurting Kon but then there's Kon acting like nothing happened and Lex is decent to him so what would Tim do?) and he can't help to go a bit insane because he *needs* to know how someone can be this intelligent and somehow still human and he would turn Lex into a tiny person and study him if he could meanwhile Lex is oblivious for a long long time and just treats Tim like Kon's friend who comes to visit a bit too often but then one day Tim brings his suitcases and says he's staying because he fought with Bruce and after 48hrs Tim can't keep hiding his little bit of insanity and Lex...

Lex laughs. It's funny! It's cute! He doesn't even mind how Tim has all these complex emotions and fears and interests. Lex is used to people not knowing what to do with him, and truly, Lex is trying to be good and sees Tim as still a child (smart, a bit weird, definetely fits on Clark's hero side), so he just laughs it off. It infuriates Bruce.

I'm unsure if there could actually be a Lex and Tim bonding where they aren't a bit ooc but I do think Lex respecting Tim and acknowledging him back it's believable as long as it takes time and goes hand in hand with Lex fixing his relationship with Kon (and Clark). I like to think about it as this scenario where your best friend thinks that your parent, who is a scientist, it's very cool.

A bit weird, but flattering.

Idk where the whole "Tim hating Lex and being annoying to him and somehow being smarter" comes from... Oh, wait! I know where it comes from!

Annoying, ignorant batfam fans

And it's not even surprising if we take a careful look. We're talking about the fandom that doesn't understand Clark, Kon and Jon at all and uses them for batfam prop up purposes. It's the same fandom that doesn't even comprehend Batman characters and says the most disgusting stuff about Jean-Paul Valley (aka Azrael) as if his character wasn't summarized in like, five comics you can easily read. The same fandom that doesn't get Selina Kyle despite the fact that movies like The Batman exist, that the Long Halloween got an animated adaptation, that she has DOZENS of praised comics you can pick up to understand her. The same fandom that doesn't understand freaking Ra's al Ghul as if the guy didn't have a trilogy that literally summarizes his character and also he's an archetype, how the hell do you get an archetype so popular as his as wrong as batfam fandom does?

*insert Misty breathing loudly here*

Okay I kind of got off the point. I was talking about the annoying portrayal of Tim and Lex, because those who do that don't even understand Tim. Tim would *love* to interact with Lex.

This is Lex Luthor, Superman's nemesis, the smartest man of earth. Tim would be thrilled that he can have a chance of going against him even if he's actually just standing next to a Bruce who tries to get Lex to answer a question just to get Lex drinking wine and telling Mercy to call security.

Tim is a detective, and we have seen how, despite everything, he admits greatness when he sees it. I do think he could get a bit sarcastic with Lex when on his Red Robin persona (we have seen how sarcastic he got with Ra's even when Ra's is definitely more likely to shut him up than Lex is) but I actually don't believe he would do that often as he would be too conscious that if someone is a master of speech, it's Lex Luthor. His words got him all the power of the world after all. You don't wanna start a sarcasm fight with someone like Lex.

And I believe as Tim Drake, he openly admires Lex. Maybe not in a idol way, but Lex is a genius, and I bet on the DC world Lex's career is studied both by people in economy and politics and STEM. Lex did so much with so little that I highly doubt there's a way for Tim to not admit that yes, Lex may be *bad* but he's certainly a genius and perfect at what he does. Credit where it's due, or something.

Lastly, I don't think Tim hates Lex. They aren't close enough for that, and Lex is often dancing in a grey area, and don't forget Tim is already fine with many figures in said grey space. Tim would consider Lex a danger, of course, because getting on Lex's bad side can get him killed. He also considers Lex someone who can and will do good, but Tim isn't gonna be the one to go on that trip of getting Lex to see what his genius can make for the world (that's on Clark).

The only thing Tim could dislike about Lex it's that Lex hurt Kon. And Tim loves Kon (in whatever way you prefer) and Tim comes to me as the kind of person who can't quite forget those things. He would be wary, perhaps, constantly on his tip toes when operating too close to Lex's doings and clenching his jaw when Kon interacts with the man because as much as Tim knows Lex is always in control and won't hurt Kon again... He still did. But if Tim held that against Bruce, wouldn't Bruce lose on the number of children he has hurt? Tim can't quite settle his feelings on that, but Kon got over it, so it's not something Tim keeps against Lex.

Tim is careful around Lex, and he's also a bit of a fan.

And well, he is thankful too. Lex brought Kon into the world, and Tim is thankful for that.

(My conclusion is that some batfam fans have clearly never read Superman comics but also it's funny they haven't read Batman comics either and maybe they shouldn't speak on stuff they don't know but that's just my opinion right)

Idk where the whole "Tim hating Lex and being annoying to him and somehow being smarter" comes from... Oh, wait! I know where it comes from!

Annoying, ignorant batfam fans

And it's not even surprising if we take a careful look. We're talking about the fandom that doesn't understand Clark, Kon and Jon at all and uses them for batfam prop up purposes. It's the same fandom that doesn't even comprehend Batman characters and says the most disgusting stuff about Jean-Paul Valley (aka Azrael) as if his character wasn't summarized in like, five comics you can easily read. The same fandom that doesn't get Selina Kyle despite the fact that movies like The Batman exist, that the Long Halloween got an animated adaptation, that she has DOZENS of praised comics you can pick up to understand her. The same fandom that doesn't understand freaking Ra's al Ghul as if the guy didn't have a trilogy that literally summarizes his character and also he's an archetype, how the hell do you get an archetype so popular as his as wrong as batfam fandom does?

*insert Misty breathing loudly here*

Okay I kind of got off the point. I was talking about the annoying portrayal of Tim and Lex, because those who do that don't even understand Tim. Tim would *love* to interact with Lex.

This is Lex Luthor, Superman's nemesis, the smartest man of earth. Tim would be thrilled that he can have a chance of going against him even if he's actually just standing next to a Bruce who tries to get Lex to answer a question just to get Lex drinking wine and telling Mercy to call security.

Tim is a detective, and we have seen how, despite everything, he admits greatness when he sees it. I do think he could get a bit sarcastic with Lex when on his Red Robin persona (we have seen how sarcastic he got with Ra's even when Ra's is definitely more likely to shut him up than Lex is) but I actually don't believe he would do that often as he would be too conscious that if someone is a master of speech, it's Lex Luthor. His words got him all the power of the world after all. You don't wanna start a sarcasm fight with someone like Lex.

And I believe as Tim Drake, he openly admires Lex. Maybe not in a idol way, but Lex is a genius, and I bet on the DC world Lex's career is studied both by people in economy and politics and STEM. Lex did so much with so little that I highly doubt there's a way for Tim to not admit that yes, Lex may be *bad* but he's certainly a genius and perfect at what he does. Credit where it's due, or something.

Lastly, I don't think Tim hates Lex. They aren't close enough for that, and Lex is often dancing in a grey area, and don't forget Tim is already fine with many figures in said grey space. Tim would consider Lex a danger, of course, because getting on Lex's bad side can get him killed. He also considers Lex someone who can and will do good, but Tim isn't gonna be the one to go on that trip of getting Lex to see what his genius can make for the world (that's on Clark).

The only thing Tim could dislike about Lex it's that Lex hurt Kon. And Tim loves Kon (in whatever way you prefer) and Tim comes to me as the kind of person who can't quite forget those things. He would be wary, perhaps, constantly on his tip toes when operating too close to Lex's doings and clenching his jaw when Kon interacts with the man because as much as Tim knows Lex is always in control and won't hurt Kon again... He still did. But if Tim held that against Bruce, wouldn't Bruce lose on the number of children he has hurt? Tim can't quite settle his feelings on that, but Kon got over it, so it's not something Tim keeps against Lex.

Tim is careful around Lex, and he's also a bit of a fan.

And well, he is thankful too. Lex brought Kon into the world, and Tim is thankful for that.

(My conclusion is that some batfam fans have clearly never read Superman comics but also it's funny they haven't read Batman comics either and maybe they shouldn't speak on stuff they don't know but that's just my opinion right)

Cancel me if you want but... The fact that so many J*yT*m shippers go their way to write a full bible about Ra's being obsessed with Tim (plus writing extremely racist elements) and Tim hating Ra's and having Jason (and/or Kon) be all stereotypical BL top with the whole "I'm gonna kill that old pervert man" is...

Tiring. Predictable. Boring.

You cannot convince me this has nothing to do with Ra's being Ra's, you know, a non white villain who has a complex background and subjective elements. It's always that side of fandom having Ra's being an awful character to prop up Jason, having extremely racist scenarios where Jason rescues a kidnapped Tim forced in harem clothing, insisting Ra's is an abuser... It's tiring. Everytime I go into the Ra's tag, I see one of these people being awful to Ra's for the sake of it. Why can't you just write your JT stuff and leave Ra's alone, for God's sake!?

I'm. So. Tired. *Those* jokes aren't funny. Portraying Ra's in the most racist way possible isn't funny. This whole speech about why JT is okay but Ra'sTim isn't it's not funny either. You all just show how racist you are and how you don't care to show so if that way you can prop up a white character.

And honestly? A lot of people who are posting stuff in the Ra's tag these days should shut up. You don't know Ra's' character at all, we can all tell. But have fun with your awful treatment of poc characters, I guess! I bet you *love* posting it.

"Omg what if Ra's were obsessed with Tim's spleen and I write Ra's in the most awful way and I have lovely JT too? 🥰" amazing how you all wanna try to make your racism look fine but the worst part it's fandom eating it up and then insisting they aren't racist. Alas, who is surprised tbh? Wouldn't (and shouldn't) expect anything but horrible behavior from DC fandom.

If the coat fits wear it or whatever. Bye.

What have you done now, you little fool?

Do you love to fight, or fight for love?