My God. It Truly Never Ends. I Should Start A Counter.

My god. It truly never ends. I should start a counter.

(I've noticed every single person taking issue with this post also immediately vilifies "white people" as though POC can't also be fucking tired of existing in a constant state of misery and stress, too.)

I am actually begging some people to just let some spaces exist untouched by real-world issues and horrors.

Like I've lost count of the amount of times peaceful game or fandom servers have been ruined by people stampeding in with political rants, bitching about world issues, demanding internal activism, demanding vent channels so they can whine about their shitty parents, ect.

Like. Respectfully. Not every single space has to be inclusive of and welcoming of outside topics. The real world sucks. We don't needed to be reminded of that absolutely everywhere.

What even is proshipping

Proshipping is pro-shipping. As in; for shipping. In support of shipping.

'Proship' is the modern evolution of the original acronym SALS, which stands for Ship And Let Ship. It is exactly the same concept as; "your kink is not my kink, but that's okay. Its simply not my business."

The core values of proshipping are:

Everyone has a right to ship.

Ships cannot and should not be controlled or dictated. (E.g; "I don't like this ship so you're a bad person for liking it and you're not allowed to ship it.")

People should not be shamed, harassed, threatened, ect because of their ships.

Modern 'proshipping' will often vary from individual to individual. In truth, the term 'proshipping' as its used and defined these days would be actually be 'profiction.' This is because many people expand proshipping in order encompass being pro-X across an array of varying creative and fandom based criteria.

However as 'proship' is the more commonly known label it is the most widely accepted.

There is often the common misconception stemming from careful propaganda that proshipping exclusively refers to the support and enjoyment of taboo or dark themes such as incest and pedophilia. This is not true.

Proshipping does not mean: "I enjoy incest." Proshipping means: "even if I do not enjoy incest, it is not my place to try to stop you doing so or harming you because of it."

Hi, I'm the original person who sent that "callouts with documented evidence" ask, and I was originally talking about toonimal. Who repeatedly admitted he was a predator. I understand that callout was handled terribly (ex. not blurring victims names) but seeing people reply UNDER THE POST that "well... pedophile has been washed down so much" as if they can't just click "read more" is so frustrating.

Then you tell them to click 'read more' and leave them to their own conclusions. If they want to remain in wilful ignorance that's a them issue. If they were simply being reactive and ill-informed, they can correct themselves.

My original points still stand in reference to your original vague ask, though.

(In that I won't personally begrudge anyone who doesn't immediately jump into the fray on a callout with unwavering faith.)

Unfortunately for those who want to remain stubborn and ignorant there's only so much you can do. Some people are so entrenched in making online culture and community their entire life that its impossible to pry them out of that state of existence and its rules.

I do, unfortunately, know such people in real life and they are fucking impossible to co-exist with even as someone who shares most of their values.

I'm proship leaning but when other proshippers say "I don't trust when someone says [person] is a pedophile because aNtIs!" when that person has DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE of being a predator. You're willfully ignorant at best and think that pedophile is something that only happens in darkfic or weird kink at worst. Like, no, it's not antis faults you can't condem real predators.

That has nothing to do with proshipping itself and everything to do with the actual individual. Its disingenuous at best to reduce an entire community down to a select few.

However, I will say its understandable that sometimes even "documented proof" is called into question based on who is involved in the discussion. Again, this has nothing to do with me being a proshipper, but people who align with the 'anti' principles have:

Sourced and spread around child pornography and non-minor rape and sexual abuse materials, often even using them to torment and abuse the victims themselves.

Fabricated evidence on multiple occasions in order to incite a witch hunt against innocent people and claimed ignorance even when confronted with their actions.

Harassed and doxxed and bullied people to the point of losing their jobs, requiring medication and therapy and suicide attempts.

Called people predators and pedophiles for a numerous array of reasons, usually the majority of which have nothing to do with actual predation or pedophilia.

In the instances where I have my doubts about someone being called out, I will privately endeavor to do as much of my own research as I can before making any decision or getting involved in any way. Which again, has nothing to do with me being a proshipper. That's what you should do, rather than blindly believing and following accusations.

People have a right to genuine doubt. If or when it extends beyond genuine doubt into wilful ignorance and denial, that is an individual fault.

Last I checked tumblr doesn't allow links to be sent via ask, and this could be found with a Google search, but here. Hope this goes through. dontreblogbigots . tumblr . com/post/662890014546460672/prismatic-bell-is-a-zionist-among-other-things

Tumblr removed the ability to hyperlink in asks, but you can still just paste the link as plain text in the askbox. No need for spaces or breaks. At one point it had also removed the ability to paste a link, but that only lasted about three days.

I'll do my research on the matter. (The blog, not the linking.)

An investigation found hundreds of known images of child sexual abuse material (CSAM) in an open dataset used to train popular AI image generation models, such as Stable Diffusion. Models trained on this dataset, known as LAION-5B, are being used to create photorealistic AI-generated nude images, including CSAM. It is challenging to clean or stop the distribution of publicly distributed datasets as it has been widely disseminated. Future datasets could use freely available detection tools to prevent the collection of known CSAM. (SOURCE: https:// cyber.fsi.stanford.edu/news/investigation-finds-ai-image-generation-models-trained-child-abuse)

This isn't some "gotcha". This is something that actually HAPPENED.

Firstly;

Secondly, pick a fucking argument, dude. You've gone from asking me if I think AI rape images are fine to asking if I think AI CSA is fine because its using real CSEM to calling out that some AI datasets were contaminated.

So what's your argument? Are you arguing against my moral values or against AI? Those specific AI programs? People using art to fulfil unorthodox fantasy?

Copy-pasting statements after a furious little google search because I'm not bending over ass-backwards to agree with you is presenting what point, exactly?

AI bad?

Taboo kink bad?

Fictional content bad?

RPF bad?

Which is it? Help me out here. Is it some hybrid of all of those points?

Because I mean if your point is that AI is bad, I agree! Whole heartedly. For a multitude of reasons, not least one of your copied points; that it is actually basically impossible to make the AI forget something its learned. Hence; scrapping it all and starting over. Hence; stricter laws that only allow AI to be trained on specific open source datasets. Hence; requiring human approval for reference images and constant human monitoring rather than simply allowing the AI to run unsupervised, as most are.

I just don't agree that using various mediums to create fictional art that isn't created with a malicious directive is bad. Whether that's done by hand or using (god forbid) AI.