@whoopsitswincest (OP Tags Too Good To Lose)

— @whoopsitswincest (OP tags too good to lose)

Okay hear me out

THIS dean -

- with THIS Sam

Not me out here reccing the Demonic Junkies series by @sam-is-my-safe-word again?

HAHA OBVIOUSLY A LIE YES IT'S ME

That artwork is gorgeous and immediately made me think of Kasey's series (because it's never far from my thoughts), especially the torment and misery on Sam's face even as he can't help himself, ripping in with his teeth to get what he needs. And Dean looking so fucking pleased with himself, and the hand in Sam's hair andguhhhh

uhhh? Sorry, did it just get really hot in here?

Right, the link. Just... just going to leave the link and... I dunno, sit in the dark for a while...

“Good boy…”

Things like that will certainly not happen but i like to think about it. If you know any good fanfic about this particular subject, let me know ! ♥

It’s a simple coloring but it was nice to play with ink again.

some wincest memes I've saved on my phone

r᥆mᥲᥒ 𝗍᥆ᥒgᥙᥱs ȷᥲrᥱძ ᥎іᥲ ᥴ᥆rᑲіᥒ𝖿іsһᥱr - ᥲᥴm - ᥣіgһ𝗍іᥒg r᥆mᥲᥒ’s ᥴᥲᥒძᥣᥱ

Yessss but also think about it

Can you imagine all the lives that could be saved just by conspiracy theorists and social media influencers and teenage trend followers who start salting their doors and windows, getting anti-possession tattoos, carving protection symbols into their desks at school?

Watching it spread to the wider population as graffiti artists and taggers start picking up the symbology and spraying it in subway tunnels and graveyards, abandoned buildings, community lots?

As YouTube crafters go viral with cutesy little make-your-own protective hex bags to hand out at Halloween instead of candy (bonus: you'll finally have something to make with that teetering pile of fabric remnants!) and Etsy sellers start pumping out pieces of pure silver jewellery to identify skinwalkers and werewolves (they won't suspect a thing!), and small metalworks businesses ride the trend by designing wrought iron wall-hangings and custom pieces for gardens to ward off witches and fairies?

Ah! The possibilities!

Ignoring for a moment the potential to be caught as a murderer or arrested for frequent impersonation of federal agents, more hunters in the future could probably turn to vlogging and days in the life (both to educate other hunters and drum up funds) and it would be consumed and dismissed by the general public as an elaborate found footage gimmick.

Just throwing some thoughts on the pile.

Are we using 'problematic ship' as longhand for proship? Because if we are, or if anyone in these threads is, please know that's not what proship stands for. Proship is just 'pro', as if 'for', shipping. As in, 'in support of shipping'. It's another version of Ship And Let Ship. You enjoy your thing and let other people enjoy theirs.

I don't know if this is a fandom-generation thing, but as far as I've ever seen and known and used the term from back in early 2000s, 'shipping' has always been a way to refer to pairing characters sexually or romantically (neither of which has ever excluded general interest/fascination/exploration of other themes involving the pair, for the record. All of that can be explored within the scope of sex and romance. But if they're explored exclusive of it, it wouldn't quite be considered shipping to me). If that's evolved over time, then so be it, but taking everything the previous posters said into account, I have to wonder if it could also be a response to the anti movement, where reasonable people are (subconsciously or otherwise) distancing themselves from the traditional meaning of the word so as to avoid the ire of the roving anti brigade.

Regarding the point that antis have started using 'shipping' to mean 'want to see in canon', that tracks with what I've been noticing lately. In SPN fandom, there's this bizarre need among hellers to insist to all and sundry (despite lack of actual evidence) that their ship is canon, and demand confirmation from involved parties (actors, writers, etc.) that it is so (despite repeated denials from all but one, who's a known attention-seeking shit-stirrer) as if their ship is somehow invalidated or disallowed if it's not, which explains why they're so rabid about it. They seem not to understand that shipping has nothing to do with canon (although you can ship canon relationships, of course). It's purely a fanonical venture and that's fine. That's good. It's allowed. It's expected. It's been done since the very beginning of fandom, and you hold no moral superiority over another based on whether your ship goes canon or not.

I guess that's the bit that mystifies me the most. We're all in here watching our dumb little shows for our dumb little blorbos. They often have weird, extreme, gross or, yes, problematic themes or behaviours exemplified within them. That's what makes them interesting, for crying out loud. We like them anyway, antis included.

So quit trying to make it a morality contest.

Although I mean, let's be honest, you lost the first time you told someone to be less alive about it.

i think what’s generally more acceptable now isn’t shipping problematic ships. it’s shipping “problematic” ships the way an anti would, meaning you are only meant to focus on how abusive, horrible, unhealthy something is. you are not allowed to have empathy for the characters or discuss the LOVE involved at all to the point where a lot of complex relationships get flattened and shipping gets reduced to "analyzing the abuse”, making it so that no one’s allowed to find beauty in dark content at all.