Https://www.loc.gov/law/help/child-protection-law/japan.php

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/child-protection-law/japan.php

Link for Child protection Law and Policy in Japan. But it completly covers what you said.

I went over the whole thing and spouse abuse in japanese law too in this post.

Hi I’ve only just caught up on the manga and the Todoroki situation, and I’m sort of confused. You see I’m not a victim of abuse or at all experienced the types of abuse, like I know Neglect is a form of abuse and I know physical abuse but not emotional abuse.

My main question is how was Touya emotionally abused? I know he was neglected but a lot of people say he was emotionally abused, and I don’t deny it but I just wanted to get a better understand on how he was emotionally abused?

Okay so TW: Abuse

Okay, so in order to really answer your question you gotta have a full grasp of the definition of emotional abuse. But before I give you the definition I have to put a disclaimer here:

I live in the United States. Every state has its own definition of abuse and its own Family Code that the laws follow. 

I also feel I must add this:

I investigate abuse and neglect for a living. It is literally my every. day. normal. life. to deal with this stuff. When I’m not on tumblr talking about fictional characters, I’m working with real human beings going through this stuff. And the definition I’m about to give you is straight from my work materials that I use to investigate and close cases of abuse and neglect.

ALSO very important: The US and Japan are entirely different and I have no earthly idea how they handle situations like this. I cannot speak from a perspective of a Japanese person. I’m using my own experience and knowledge gained here in the US. I’m applying our standards of abuse and neglect to the Todoroki family because, well, that’s all I know. I can’t apply Japan’s standards because I don’t know them. Don’t take what I say as saying “Japan should follow these standards” because I’m not. I’m just using what I know about the subject to apply to these fictional characters. 

Now that all the disclaimers are out of the way--

My state’s definition of emotional abuse is:

Emotional abuse is when one or more of the following has occurred:

> a child suffers mental or emotional injury that results in an observable and material impairment in the child’s growth, development, or psychological functioning

> a person or persons cause or permit a child to be in a situation in which the child suffers a mental or emotional injury that results in an observable and material impairment in the child’s growth, development, psychological functioning

Given this definition can you see how it’s considered emotional abuse now? The Todoroki family is not just a case of neglect. “Emotional neglect” isn’t even an allegation we investigate. There’s physical and medical neglect and neglectful supervision, sure, but if it’s emotional neglect then it’s pretty much just emotional abuse. 

The definition of emotional abuse is not reliant upon the ACT of the parent emotionally abusing their child, it’s reliant upon the result of the parents’ actions. Notice how in the definition is specifically says “results in an observable and material impairment”, meaning that because of the mental and emotional injury sustained by Toya, it is considered emotional abuse. 

Before I present my evidence to the court let me explain in detail why this ended up being abusive and not just neglectful.

Endeavor had children for the wrong reason. Before Toya was even born he was doomed. He was born into a relationship with his father that consisted of training nonstop, spending lots and lots of time together, getting nonstop attention from his dad. We don’t know how much time Rei spent with Toya, but based on their testy relationship, I’d say they never got to have a strong bond the way Rei did with Shouto. But regardless of Rei’s presence, Toya was BORN into this dynamic, and so his little kid brain immediately made the association of: training = father’s love and acceptance. 

So when you have that association in your brain (reminding you this is like a 4 or 5 year old brain), and suddenly your father STOPS training you, what does that tell you?

no more training = loss of father’s love

That’s what happened here, and that’s what Enji’s behavior told Toya. And for a kid, whose entire world consists of their parents and family, that’s pretty fucking devastating. Now for the actual evidence.

Evidence of emotional injury:

Toya was self harming

And showing observable signs of distress (note hair pulling/ripping), and the crying spells.

Endeavor failed to step in and remove his child from a harmful situation (i.e. spending time with him or something, literally anything) and it injured his child to the point that it was too late.

What makes this a situation of emotional abuse and not just neglect, is that there’s observable emotional injury. Oh and PHYSICAL injury. It even resulted in “death”. 

Emotional abuse does not just mean verbal assault, name calling, talking down to, etc. It’s also a lack of emotional support and care.

The unfortunate reality, at least here where I live, is that in real cases of emotional abuse it’s still very hard to prove and intervene on because no matter how hard you try you can only go off of what you’re told by the children and the family, and you can never get 100% of the full picture. It sucks. In the case of the Todoroki family, we as readers get to see the whole picture. So therefore I can easily say this is a situation of emotional abuse. 

Very ironic that both the villains and the kids are those who think they are responsible to take action but the stable adults are those who should be doing this are either not seeing anything wrong with the system, want to change something for the wrong reasons, justify their crimes and keep using the children for their work while declaring a bunch of abuse victims the root of evil, instead of the society they are supporting which lead to the victims becoming villains.

Yes to everything, BUT I wanted to point out the framing for this. I already made a post about the framing of Endevour before. But I do not think that is was unintentional or morally grey either, I think it was very much done on purpose with the reader in mind (a reader that is smart enough to see everything you pointed out and if anyone can’t see how horrible Endevour was after the Toya flashbacks they are seriously delirious or Best Jeanist).

The framing in the early chapters with every other big topic in bnha was always framed, this is how the series became so complex that we have discussions this long about it. I have gone into this topic before aswell.

But to cut it short:

we start the series with a kid who’s only dream is to be a hero BUT he doesn’t have a quirk (first showing of the quirk/quirkless based discrimination) but he’s a shonen protagonist so of course he gets the OP power and goes to hero school and it’s all great, we see our evil-for-evils-sake villain Shigaraki, a bunch of kids who want to become heros too (Uraraka showing the issue with quirk regulations).

But the further we go down we see cracks in this perfect word as the story progresses.

First encounter with Stain is pretty much the fact that he is some villain killing heros and surely he is complety wrong with his assessment, because he injured Ida’s brother.

Endevour overtrained Shoto and his mother had mental issues, but he is a great hero and it obviously made Shoto stronger, so it’s not that bad, right?

But then the LoV gets backstorys that show that they are humans with very good reason to go down their paths we see getting deeper into the issues of society.

And the fact that while they merge with Re-Destro and his men they clearly do not share the same sentiment about quirk surpremacy (you can see that perfectly with how they value Spinner they quirk wise weakest member as much as any other member) shows that they see issues in the society that some others do not.

Toga’s parents told her to ignore her quirk, her body and just do what told until she burst, showing that the quirk supressing society isn’t working.

Twice was left on the streets, no heros to come rescure a middle schooled orphan, let alone a mentally disabled man to the point where he went insane.

Tenko got ignored because heros are there to save people, so why help.

And then Dabi comes in and we all figured out through the well done forshaddowing that he was Toya, but that was never what it was about. It was about how he became Dabi.

And then we get the chapters and any kind of apologism for Endevour should go out of the window (if you have any reading skills at least) and we are shown how bad he really was and at the press right after we see that he didn’t change.

We experience the issues of the world as it is explored, we are slightly ahead of the main protagonists and antagonists so we get to see those cracks in society earlier, that are forshaddowed extremly early (Kamui calling a pickpocket the bane of society, Deku getting bullied for being quirkless, Tsuyu getting bullied for her looks, Uraraka stating she’s getting a hero license to help her family, Aoyama having stomach cramps,  Uraraka noting her costume wasn’t so sexy when she ordered it) but the LoV just are a representation of exactly these issues and the more we get from them the more we see what is wrong.

From a writing perspective that is brilliantly done We get sucked up into this world that seems beautiful and well functioning at first but the more time we spend there we see that the whole system is wrong and full of mistakes that need to be fixed.

We learn it a bit earlier than Deku (and the rest of the kids), because we get more viewpoints and aren’t stuck in that system but we can see that these issues need to be resolved.

And the framing is there to support that, because it shows that the system is so established that people can’t see what is wrong with it anymore.

But I can see why people who assumed this was about a kid becoming the hero no 1 and nothing else have bigger issues to see through this exact issue, where it might take longer to see the system is bad.

On the other hand I am sure from all the framing we had so far it is going to get stronger and the cracks will get bigger and bigger as the story progesses until Deku will see the problem isn’t the fact that there are villains but the fact that society created these villains with the systems that allowed for their lives to happen the way they did.

But just like some people saw from the get go that Endevour was a horrible abuser that didn’t really change, some only saw it after the flashbacks and as mentioned some readers do need these things spelled out (for a number of reasons people have issues with reading between the lines or even taking on things that are said when they contridict a previous believe) but the story so far clearly takes us into a direction where Deku (who is starting to see issues albeit slowly) will see the full picture and therefore all the reader will too.

A lot of “you’s” and a lot of “he’s” in here. A lot of shifting the blame onto his child with the language he uses, both in the most recent flashbacks and in previous ones.

Obviously, there’s a reason Endeavor does this, whether consciously or not – he’s distancing the blame from himself by placing that burden on Touya. 

If only Touya didn’t have a defective quirk, Touya could’ve “smashed the ugliness in [his] heart” and made his father’s dream come true. If only Touya wasn’t born with his mother’s constitution, Endeavor wouldn’t have had to create more kids to find a new successor. If only Touya understood that he had to stop using his quirk, even though he was created solely to become a hero, but since that can’t happen now he has to look elsewhere for meaning in his existence?

As reprehensible as it is, it makes sense that Endeavor does this to justify his own actions. My main issue is that with the framing and prioritizing of his viewpoint, it runs the risk of readers inferring that Touya is to blame.

To be fair, everything in the chapter aside from Endeavor’s words show that he’s wrong and at fault, so it only takes a minimum level of critical thinking skills to see this. A doctors advises him to stop recklessly engineering his children, since it’s taboo and potentially dangerous to the child, but he has Natsuo and Shouto in spite of this. Rei expresses her reservations, since Touya has already caught on to what he’s doing and it doesn’t seem like she’s enthused to have more children, either. He disregards her concern and pressures her into it, anyway.

And it doesn’t matter what he said to Touya or how caring it sounded when all of his actions directly contradict this. If he cared for Touya, why not spend his free time with him, even if they can’t train anymore? Because he spent time with Touya not to bond with him as a son, but to train him as his legacy. If he was concerned for Touya’s safety, why did he have 2 more children, knowing they could be born with the same detrimental quirks? Because it was never to protect Touya, it was to replace the child who was supposed to be his successor.

Everything Endeavor did as a father taught Touya that he was not good enough and thus he was not worthy of his father’s attention. His language places the burden of that on his son and that’s how he internalized it a as a child. Telling Touya to stop without providing the unconditional love he’s vying for is useless and shows a blatant lack of awareness for his child’s needs. Endeavor created an environment where he pays attention to his kids based on their ability to be a hero that could surpass All Might – no amount of talk was going to convince Touya to cease his self-harming behavior unless Endeavor changed his behavior as a parent first.

Now compare the more recent flashbacks to the last one listed above, which is from Shouto’s perspective. There’s no denying the way Endeavor treats his children as objects for his own gain is wrong when he makes this remark about Touya while he’s literally beating down his five-year-old. And he does this for the same reason he abandoned his firstborn. The point of this scene is to show that Endeavor holds his ambition above all else — even his family.

And there’s no issue per se with giving nuance to his character. He should have regrets and he should be remorseful for what he’s done, but that doesn’t automatically mean he’s deserving of forgiveness or sympathy. 

The problem is when this “nuance” is prioritized above the not-so-subtle and far more important suffering that his victims endured, and are still enduring, particularly in the case of Dabi. And it shouldn’t be obscuring the unequivocal truth here, which is this: Touya’s self-harming tendencies and inability to regulate his emotions as a child doesn’t negate the fact that he was neglected to the point of self-harm and his father is as culpable in that as he would be if he had burned his son with his own flames. 

I am reblogging this again, because it seems we are having two different conversations when I only wanted to address the question you asked: “Though for real, for real, what do y'all want at this point? What part of Endeavor's life isn't a punishment right now?”

I did not in any way intent to counter your argument about the pro hero’s occupation with capturing the escapees right now, I stated myself, that it is a top priority right now. I absolutely agree with you on that notion that the immediate safety of the civilians by re-capturing the escapees, especially people like Muscular or Moonfish should be top priority right now.

My comment was meant as an mere analysis of the current opinions in th fandom, an observation if you will, and so is the following:

When I read your original post it seemed that you genuinely did not understand the issue people still have with Endevour at the moment and I simply wanted to answer that, not to counter your argument, in fact I agree with it.

“YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT LEGAL REPERCUSSIONS WILL COME FROM THIS.”

Is what you said.  And it’s not wrong, but neither do you if there are any legal repercussions coming from this at all, which is why I answered your question of what people still want right now. I based my answer on two things:

1. The answer I gave explains “what part of aren’t a punishment right now” from the current narrative that people take issue that Enji right now does not have any legal repercussions and that is something that upsets people, hence my original repost explaining this.

 2.The narrative of the manga during the press conference in chapter  306:

We have an observing narration for this chapter, which allows as to see it unfold without any personal objection from either Dabi or Endevour. And it shows us that Endevour still keeps his position of being the top hero with no currently addressed legal persecution after he confessed the abuse of his family and Dabi’s reaction to it is simply: “I didn’t go far enough”.

So from Dabi’s perspective he sees that nothing has changed on both ends of the issues addressed by him which are a) Endevour the pro hero gets away with it and b) it mirrors young Toya as a child that just wanted not to be ignored, which means through Dabi’s eyes that Enji the father did not change. (Here’s a link to a summary from Dabi’s perspective about the watch me language of Endevour and him, to make it clearer.)

None of my argument was mean to counter your stand on priorities, in fact I support it, is was merely meant as an explanation on what still upsets people right now.

“Also, I don't know how Japan deals w domestic violence legally.”

Well I, to some degree do and since bnha seems to have a legal system close to current Japan’s legal system we can assume that when it comes to abuse laws it is similar.

I can’t find anything (in english) on the punishment for the abuse of the spouse, but there is the “Act on the precention of spouse violence and the protection of the victim.”

The majority of victims of spouse abuse in japan are women and both physical and psychological abuse count, no separation in law for those two (and when I refer to abuse in this threat, I obviously mean both when it comes to the Todoroki family).

I want to highlight some parts of this for the sake of it:

“(2)　Physicians or other medical personnel who detect, during the course of their duties, a person whom they consider to have suffered from injuries or medical conditions resulting from spousal violence may notify the fact to a Spousal Violence Counseling and Support Center or a police officer. In such cases, they shall endeavor to respect the intentions of the person in question.”

Meaning in this situation: Rei was hospitalized and not one medical personnel treating her either noticed something, did not give the information to the authorities or the authorities did not investigate.

And since Rei had a mental breakdown no-one came to investigate properly if her children were in danger either, which is very concerning since Shoto had boiling water poured onto his face.

I emphasize on the properly here, because we do not know if there was any investigation at all or if they for whatever reason (e.g. Endevour pro hero) just believed right away what was being told by others of the household (3 minor abuse victims under the age of 12 and their abuser).

Of course there could be the assumption that Rei did not say anything about Enji’s abuse, that is very likely, but then again they should have checked her children.

So from a legal perspective something went very wrong here.

 On the Child Protection Law and Policy we get a better picture of the legal matters and I am discussing the points as they are addressed in the legal document, so in advance I am sorry there are going to be some callbacks to already discussed parts.

“The Child Welfare Act addresses matters of child welfare, including child abuse, in Japan.  The Child Welfare Act states that all children must be properly nurtured, be afforded a guaranteed quality of life, be loved, be protected, have healthy growth and development of the mind and body, and be able to be independent.

Municipalities must properly provide support in immediate communities, as the basic unit of the local government.

Prefectures must give necessary advice and appropriate assistance to municipalities and properly perform tasks that require specialized knowledge and techniques, and broad responses.

The national government must take all necessary measures, such as the formulation of policies that ensure the setting up of structures where children can be provided with proper care, provision of advice to municipalities and prefectures, and provision of information”

Is the base of it, but again I want to highlight some parts that are crucial to the Todoroki family:

“The Act states that “no person shall abuse a child,” and particularly obligates teachers, officials and staff of schools, child welfare institutions and hospitals, medical practitioners, attorneys, and other persons involved in child welfare in the course of their duties to endeavor to detect child abuse at an early stage”

As with Rei there were seemly no reports or at least no reports that ended with the children being brought to safety, even though Toya showed clear signs of child abuse as not spending time with friends, aggression, anger, rebellious or defiant behavior and self-harm, desperate seek of affection and attention, poor growth, lack of appropriate attention for medical attention. We don’t know if Fuyumi or Natuso showed any signs, but Shoto did (hostility and very visibly the scar) and typical signs in abusive parents shows by Enji that should be seen by teachers include harsh physical discipline and demand of inappropriate level of academic performance.

And again there were no consequences for Endevour for this, since he kept custody of all of his children and kept abusing them.

 “ Materially fail to perform the duty of custody as a custodian, for example,

a. […] b. Abandon and neglect the child for a long period of time in a manner that may interfere with normal development of the child mentally or physically, and  c. […]

Use significantly violent language or take an extreme attitude of rejection against the child, use physical and/or verbal violence upon one’s spouse or partner at home where the child is living, or otherwise speak or behave in a manner that would be significantly traumatic to the child.

 Those are all accounts that Enji violated as a father.

[insert pctures of Enji abusing his children by neglect, violent language, hitting Rei]

 “An abused child is also regarded as an aid-requiring child.  A person who discovers an aid-requiring child must give notification, directly or through a commissioned child welfare volunteer, to the municipal government, a welfare office, or a child guidance center established by the prefectural government.”

“The welfare office or the child guidance center that received the notification must check the situation of the child promptly, if necessary.”

Again either everyone kept their eyes shut at the many signs of child abuse on at least both Toya and Shoto, or authorities decided to not (properly) investigate. As with Rei the physical evidence on Toya might have been hidden by Toya himself (changing in toilets for sports, making sure he only has burning where it can be hidden), but the psychological signs were still there.

“Under the Child Welfare Act, in cases where the guardian’s exercise of custody extremely harms the welfare of the child, such as in cases of physical or mental abuse, or extreme neglect cases, the governor may entrust the child to residential care by obtaining permission from a family court against the parent or guardian’s wishes. If necessary for obtaining permission, the governor may send a child welfare officer to the residence of the child to conduct an investigation.”

So that didn’t happen or it led nowhere since he so far still has custody over Shoto.

There is also the higher punishable:

“D. Child Abuse Subject to Criminal Sanction”

“Keeping a child under one’s control with the intent of causing the child to commit an act that has a mentally and physically harmful impact on the child.”

Aka training your child to become stronger than All Might in the cases of both Toya and Dabi.

“A person who commits the first act above is punishable by imprisonment for not more than ten years and/or a fine of not more than 3,000,000 yen (approximately US$27,000).[37]  A person who commits any of the other listed acts is punishable by imprisonment for not more than three years and/or a fine of not more than 1,000,000 yen (approximately US$9,000)”

Is the legal punishment for what in current Japanese law Endevour could face.

“Under the Act, a person who has detected a child who appears to have suffered child abuse must promptly give notification, directly or through a commissioned child welfare volunteer, to the municipality, welfare office, or child guidance center. This notification has the same effect as the notification of an aid-requiring child under the Child Welfare Act.”

Emphasis on the past tense here:  Dabi made his child abuse public, Endevour even confessed it so legally the ccwv should be immediately informed and then take measures to secure the safety of any children of the abuser, aka notable Shoto who is a minor.

“the mayor of the municipality or the director of the welfare office must “take measures to confirm the safety of the relevant child,”

 “C. Ministry of Education

The Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology (MEXT) asks teachers to pay attentions to signs of child abuse and detect it early.  The Ministry also requests that schools create a plan of response to child abuse when child abuse against one of their students is found and to collaborate with welfare and health organizations and the police on a regular basis.”

As previously stated this obviously did not happen.

 Which leads me to your last point:

“His family has things under control.”

First I want to point out the effects of child abuse and neglect for adult survivors:

“the age and developmental stage at which maltreatment occurred: some evidence suggests that the younger the child was at the time of the onset of the maltreatment, the more likely they are to experience problems later in life”

All of the Todoroki children have been subjected from abuse since they were very little (Fuyumi the least, Toya the most].

“the severity of maltreatment: the greater the severity of abuse or neglect, the higher the likelihood of negative outcomes”

“the victim/survivor's perceptions of the abuse: worse outcomes are likely if there is the victim/survivor experiences feelings of self-blame, shame or stigmatisation”

I mentioned this in my ealier post, but I am goint to re-link the lasting psycholocal issue of Enji shift-blaming.

“whether the abuse or neglect was detected and action taken to assure the safety of the child (e.g., child protection intervention)”

Again, that did in Toya, Fuyumi and Natuso’s case not happen until they were adults, Shoto might be debatable.

“positive or protective factors that may have mitigated the effects of maltreatment (e.g., family support, perpetrator readiness for change) and whether victims/survivors received therapeutic services to assist them in recovery”

See Deku helping Shoto by supporting him and working through his trauma, even though Deku is obviously not a therapist of any kind.

“Persisting mental health problems are a common consequence of child abuse and neglect in adults. Mental health problems associated with past histories of child abuse and neglect include” (I’ll only list those who obviously apply to the Todoroki family)

Suicidal behavior, aggression, violence and criminal behaviors.

Sure sounds like Dabi who obviously isn’t fine, but I know that this isn’t what you meant with your post, that is what part 2 is about:

People don’t realize they were being abused as kids very often.

Unlike Dabi, the rest of the Todoroki siblings show no sign of realizing that they were being abused, which is very common among abuse vitims.

Reasons for that, that involve the Todoroki family could be the following:

“We were well-off, so everyone made sure to tell me how grateful I should be. I assumed the emptiness in me was my fault. After all, I should be grateful, so it couldn’t have been my parents, right?”

Obviously through Endevour they have a lot of money, which is how he got married (that marriage is a whole other discussion that I won’t get into here) but having you monetary needs met through getting fed, educated and housing can lead to people not seeing they are being abused through neglect (Fuyumi and Natuso).

“It wasn’t all bad. The abuse, physical and emotional, was awful, but I still loved my dad and family and they still loved me as sick and weird as that sounds.” Goes hand in hand with “You loved your abuser”

This is very telling of young Toya just wanting to spend time with his father, who he loved, but Enji prioritizing his hero work. And the siblings all still loving their mother even though she abused them as well (she abused them because she was abused as well, but that doesn’t make the abuse go away), specifically Natuso was neglected by her and Shoto obviously physically injured.

“My abuse wasn’t physical. I thought for a long time that physical abuse was the only kind of abuse, and since I wasn’t being beaten, it couldn’t have been that bad. Other people had it worse“

This is pretty much Natuso and Fuyumi. They were completely neglected by their father, Natuso later by their mother as well and unlike their brothers they weren’t physically abused by Endevour either, so they don’t seem to realize that they were abused.

“There was no comparison to know that our ‘normal’ was extremely unhealthy and unsafe.”

Endevour had a maid taken care of the children at home and while seemed to have normal school, Japan is a country where things are kept very private , so home life is probably not very discussed even amongst children.

[apologizing]

So a common thing is that abusers do apologize but don’t change their behavior, which isn’t exactly what happen here obviously. Enji apologized and promised to do better, but while he does change and does better with his children, there is a way in which he didn’t change at all and that is the fact that it is about him. It isn’t about his children, it is about Enji, he decided to be a better father, he decided to pay up for his abuse and while I don’t think that he’s doing an awful job, he is clearly still not seeing that issue about himself. (see projection)

“It made you feel special to be “so close” to your abuser.”

This is just early on Toya, who wanted to spend time with his father, who was overtraining him, for his own sake.

“I was always told parents had a right to discipline their kids”

Clearly the way Endevour “disciplined” his children for not being strong enough quirk based was abuse but if you are constantly by said abuser told that it is your own fault (see projection) [LINK] you will most likely think that is is their right and it has to be your fault for being a failure, which is how Dabi views himself.

And most importantly:

“You couldn’t process it as a child.”

Shoto, Natuso and Fuyumi are all too involved into it and without proper therapeutic care to realize the abuse they suffered completely, especially Fuyumi and Natuso, as I pointed out don’t seem to see it, since they were “only” neglected. And Shoto’s abuse stopped when he was only 15, and he obviously didn’t have enough of a break from the plot to reflect on Enji’s treatment of him or get a therapist.

 All of that of course doesn’t negate your point that the lives of the civilians are at stake here and that they should be prioritized over a) legal procedures against Endevour b) change of custody for Shoto (since Endevour is currently not a direct threat to his health anymore) and building a new society (not possible right now anyways).

And of course we haven’t seen any Todoroki since 306 (current stand 309), so we don’t know what is off-screen happening and again I only wanted to answer your question of: “Though for real, for real, what do y'all want at this point? What part of Endeavor's life isn't a punishment right now?” And analyze the issue people have with Endevour right now, not in any way counter your point about priorities. Hence my doctor allegory (and why I didn’t bring Hakws/Twice in this discussion) about more pressing things at the moment.

I want to add one thing though: it does seem a bit off that Hawks and Endevour who were clearly longer hospitalized were not shown for any proceedings after the Dabi video which shows Hawks killing Twice by stabbing him into the back and Dabi mentioning his abuse. While the hero commission is not functioning there should be other structures taking care of this. But this might be just the first time this issue came up and due to the lasting chaos there were no other structures in charge, which again would be an overlaying societal issue.

If I did not convey my stance properly I am sorry, I did in no way mean to counter your argument of “Endeavor and every other hero is needed to fix the horrors your faves have done to the country.” In the sense that it wasn’t at core right, even if I would phrase things differently than how you put it.

I think I told you enough times by now, that I support your argument of: save Japan first (and with that I mean civilian lives, not social structures that are obviously faulty), take care of other things later. I only wanted to clarify the issue people still have with Endevour, nothing more.

Villain Stans: "Why won't the heroes make Endeavor PAY FOR WHAT HE'S DONE AND STOP HELPING HIM????"

Well maybe if the people you stan would stop murdering people and destroying Japan they could turn their attention to that, but right now, Endeavor and every other hero is needed to fix the horrors your faves have done to the country. ... Though for real, for real, what do y'all want at this point? What part of Endeavor's life isn't a punishment right now? Do you just want the heroes to say "Yeah! You're right, Dabi!" And start tearing shit up too? Like???

Since Twice is so obviously Deadpool inspired with his bad mental health, dead parents at a young age and the fact that he is willing to kill for his friends/family and HK does so well with foreshadowing with Deadpool being an anti-hero and Twice dying heroically his last moments spend saving his friends, can we get an immortal Twice or is that too much to ask?

I see where you are coming from and you are by no means wrong (even though I never watched Volton, so I can’t say anthing about that),

but I wanted to add something:

There is always this phenomenon of people going overboard.

For example in the feminist movement there is the big majority of those who just want economical and social equal or just footing when it comes to the position in society.

But then a part of anti-feminists were out to claim that there was no need for that because other people have it worse, hence they see no need to change the issues that still occur in “less misoginistc” parts of the world.

And then came the overcompensation from the often so called “Femi-Nazis” who don’t want an equal or just system but rather turn the tables and opress men now or make up issues that were never there to begin with.

And I have seen that phenomenon in the LGBTQ+ community as well. Where (especially young) people make queercoding into queerbating or say their ship has to be canon because the actors have chemistry and everything else is homophobic.

Which then led to the very people you mentioned that overcompensate the other way and say that it should be enough if a gay character is there, even if they die/don’t have a love interest/are just an unimportant side character etc.

And I do not agree on the notion that a non-queer person can’t understand queerbating or even see/not see it, when even the queer community isn’t alway on the same footing with this. BUT a true ally will not tell you that you should be alright with what you see as queerbating, no matter if they agree with you or not, because they will never understand it on a level a queer person will.

Because a true ally is just happy that there is more (good) content for more people. It’s not like they are in any way inconvieneced in their daily lifes if there is another show with more than one gay character that’s maybe even in a happy relationship. And if they are unhappy about more content, then they are not a true ally.

why do cishets think they can tell us that a show didn't queerbait us?

you cant act like an ally and then say shit like "not everyone has to be gay" and "not everything is about ships" and "this character was canonically gay and ended up with someone so thats enough"

we get called immature, petty and childish for wanting to be properly represented. we are allowed to be angry for that. yes we might have our ships but those ships make us feel represented. they make us feel like our identities are valid

all our lives we've been told that being cis and het was the norm. lgbtq+ people are rare and therefore we put the attention to the cishets. but thats not the truth. people think us lgbtq+ people are rare for two reasons: homophobia and the fact that we are too scared to come out because of lack of representation

we are not petty for having the need to see characters like us on tv. everyone finds comfort in seeing themselves in fictional characters relating makes the watching more enjoyable after all. but how can we relate when no one goes through our struggles our thoughts? how can we be comforted when those characters, if existent, never get happy endings or live happy lives?

take voltron for example, the show most famous for its queerbaiting yet i still find people that deny that fact

if they didnt queerbait us then why did the sole gay character of this show had his first love interest die before even having him explored huh?

why was he treated like shit the entire show? he was gone for a year tortured, joined a war where he had to be the adult and the leader and be calm for a bunch of teenagers, died and had no one even know, was stuck in another relm, replaced by a clone, came back to life after hurting his family, only to come back to find out his fiancee was dead

why were we given so many hints that another character was gay only to be given hints that there could be a romance with a female character towards the end?

why was the only wlw relationship between two villains and was never explored or specifically mentioned that they were indeed dating?

why was the show's number one ship advertised given so many scenes that paralleled those of canon ships only to have them never be canon or even confirmed to be lgbtq+?

yeah i dont think so. you cant have a character end up with a dude that was barely in the show and call it representation. you have to build that shit. lgbtq+ themes werent even presented or mentioned. so no cishet person im not ranting because im a "delusional fangirl" or "just another obsessed shipper"

im ranting because im a queer person that has been wronged, queerbaited, and shown that gay people have to go through shit and lose everything and then maybe i will get a happy ending. i had my sexualitybe treated like an extinct animal

gay people exist and they keep hiding because people like you make it seem like we are not worth your time or just everything that is wrong with earth

so even if you are an ally, even if you agree with what im saying, you cannot say what is queerbait and what is not, you cannot talk about your opinions on subjects that do not concern you, you can only support us who are affected