Doesnt Sound Very Faithful To Me

doesn’t sound very faithful to me

Though I’m not a fan of the estrangement storyline I hope the show goes into more detail about it. It’s two whole years of their relationship we don’t know anything about and it aggravates me.

Did they ever have to make awkward conversation? Did Tommy/Mariah ever try to help them reconcile? Did one of them ever have a close call on patrol and the other came and checked in on them?

Based on the bar flashback scene it seems that no one in Jackson knew they were on bad terms, so I’m assuming they kept up an act in public

it aggrevates me, too! what happened between them?? again, really hope they explain/show more in the show. my mantra with wanting more things shown in the show is that they added stuff to the first season that wasn't really in the game, so surely they can add a few things to the second season. surely. so surely they can show what happened between joel and ellie. surely.

I'm sure they had to have a few awkward conversations. especially at the beginning of their estrangement. like, ellie's just ignoring joel and joel's just confused, surely they had to have a few awkward conversations/interactions. I'm not really a fan of game tommy, but I do like to think he would've tried to have the two of them sit down and talk about it. which probably resulted in them suddenly disappearing and being so busy. maybe maria tried to help, too! she wouldn't have been that sly about it, though. I imagine she'd try to do it on behalf of jackson. like tommy focuses on them reconciling for family bonding reasons, maria focuses on them reconciling for jackson reasons. the latter making them behave in public. the former probably gets ignored. ooo if one of them had a close call?? mmm I could see them being sly about it so as to not tip the other off. like joel realizes ellie left something in the main house that needs to be brought to her this instant (and it's like a spoon or something small) and ellie hanging around windows or being bold enough to just walk into the main house and steal something from him to check on him. but also, you remember the bloater flashback?? what the FUCK was that? ellie almost gets her head ripped off, and all joel has to say is "that was too damn close"???? sir, that is your daughter. you shot up an entire hospital to save her? a bloater tries to rip her head off and you're barely even phased??? I hope they change that scene a bit in the show. I feel like joel would've freaked out a bit more than that??? and would've fretted trying to make sure ellie was okay.

mmmm the bar scene :( assuming it's the dance, they had to have put on a façade in public. which was probably a work in progress. I doubt it was there in the beginning because their emotions would've been too high. joel would've been too confused and ellie would've been too angry, I imagine. so that façade might've started after one too many questions about what happened between them or after maria said they needed to behave. but also? why was she so mad at him? yes, she can most definitely stand up for herself, but also? that is your, once upon a time, father figure? he's just trying to defend you? he wasn't trying to start anything. that whole night just devastates me. ellie dancing with dina, having their first kiss? shoving joel for standing up for her, only to show up on his porch later to forgive him? and then for him to die the very next day. it destroys me everytime I think too much about it. but yes, they had to have a façade while in public

you don’t talk too much. you aren’t too loud. you aren’t too needy. you aren’t too sensitive. you aren’t too this, or that. you aren’t too much anything. you will never be too much: you are you, and you are allowed to take up space. you are allowed to exist however you choose.

oh we also have deltarune now too, so its a question between 3 games actually

having finished undertale, the brain goblins are demanding the last of us now

sibling relationships are so strange... like i love you. you will never understand me in a way that matters. we are the same person in drastically different ways. we are sewn together. we don't talk. we are attached at the hip. you wish i was never born. can i call you. let's eat together. i forgive you. etc

What are your thoughts about Joel and Ellie’s estrangement in part 2?

I'm so glad you ask!

I actually have many thoughts about it. I totally get why ellie would ignore joel for that. she feels as though her life is only important because she's immune, so him taking away her choice to save the world is the biggest betrayal to her. and then him lying to her about it? just makes it worse, honestly. she basically put her life in joel's hands, and yeah, he did save her, but that wasn't what she wanted. that's not what she thought her life was meant for. she was willing to die for that, but joel took that choice away from her. and then when she asked about it, he just lies? she very clearly knew he was lying to her, but she had nowhere else to go (among other reasons), so she stayed with him.

so, knowing why she's mad at him, I can't see her being mad at him for 2+ years? like, yes, he did betray her trust and took away what she thought she was meant for, but 2 years? after he told her about sarah? and after he told her about his attempt? I know the latter was more in the show, but it was implied in the game. I just can't see her being mad for 2 years. yes, ignore him, make him feel bad for what he did. but that's your father figure? that's the person you traveled the country with? I know it was for the cure and then the cure never happened, but I'm sure ellie saw where he was coming from. she had to of. they got pretty close traveling the country. she had to have realized he barely survived losing his first daughter, and that he wouldn't have survived the second. especially when it was all on a whim??? marlene said the doctors THOUGHT that taking her brain would be the cure. that's not definitive. that's a possibility. so, if joel didn't kill the doctor and didn't save ellie, there's no reason to believe it would've equaled the cure. and I'm sure he could've explained that to her, but no, he wanted to protect her from the truth. which I can kind of get, but she thought the cure was her life's purpose and then you won't even explain what actually happened?

I can totally see where ellie's coming from, but if they just SAT DOWN and had a conversation, maybe it would've been okay. cause I do think, after time (not 2 years worth), she would've been able to see where he was coming from. yes, she probably would've resented him after finding out the truth, but she would've understood. at least a little bit, I think.

so long explanation short, I get why they drifted but I don't enjoy it. I don't think it was worth like 2 years of drifting when ellie probably would've understood if joel had just told her what happened