Doesnt Sound Very Faithful To Me

doesn’t sound very faithful to me

you don’t talk too much. you aren’t too loud. you aren’t too needy. you aren’t too sensitive. you aren’t too this, or that. you aren’t too much anything. you will never be too much: you are you, and you are allowed to take up space. you are allowed to exist however you choose.

been thinking about this more, and she moved out immediately, didn't she? cause when the second game started, she was about 14 or 15 when joel had come back with tommy, right? so it had to have been immediate. that hurts, man. I wonder if she was thinking about that on the way back from the hospital :( like, we obviously don't know how immediate it was, so it could've been immediately after getting back :( if she did it to get some space from joel, she could've had tommy help her make the garage live-able, though. again, he did construction, he could've helped fix it up instead of joel. I keep forgetting how quickly she moved out/in, I keep thinking it was around 18/19 and that one makes sense. she probably wants to feel like a normal kid, so moving out around that age would make sense. but she didn't. she moved out at like 15? I think it was just to get away from joel :(

This is a little random but what are your thoughts about Ellie living in Joel’s garage and not in the house with him?

you're good!

and mmmmm I have Many A Thought. it makes sense for her to move out to that garage so she can be more independent / kinda get away from joel / get some soace from him, but the fact it's not finished is what deals me in :( like, joel is a contractor, he could've fixed it! that is your daughter, sir! fix it! please! I think that's really my biggest thing about it, like, it makes sense (and the fact joel can see when she gets home from one of the windows in his house? more devastation), but it is not finished. we know jackson can do construction-y things, I'm sure that could've been dealt with, y'know?

The estrangement especially gets confusing when Ellie is just, like, living her life. Fully. She doesn't go out to try and find someone else to use her for a cure, doesn't wallow in a loss of this so-called purpose. She lives and is happy. While being mad that her purpose of existing--dying--was "taken from her." Which could've made for a very interesting complex mix of emotions to explore with her character-wise but they don't so it just makes the estrangement feel forced.

yes!! we shake hands, anon!! I really hope the show explores their estrangement more. because what did it? what was the final straw that made ellie stop trying to be friendly with him? and for her to give up completely on making a cure? did she somehow find out that all the fireflies are gone? and that that group doesn't exist anymore? cause that's established in the second game - the fireflies don't exist anymore (except underground) and that's started other groups to pop up. we know ellie knew he was lying through his teeth, but what made her give up completely? she thought that was her life's purpose. and then she tried once, joel lied to her, and that's it? you're not trying again? I wonder if it's because she went through So Much the first time, that she just didn't want to go through it again. especially cause all that happened with another person. she probably didn't want to do it solo, but if she made joel go with her again, would he do the same thing? would he let them get to the hospital just to take her back to jackson? cause that's what it looked like for ellie. she got to the hospital with him, was knocked out, then woke up in the backseat of a car with him. she's not aware, fully, of what happened and then joel just isn't telling her? I think in the game, she was able to figure it out? a little bit, right? cause she went back to the hospital and found a recorder; did she find all the bodies? I don't remember, gonna have to watch a playthrough again (aw, shucks /sarc)

Yes I completely agree!!! I understand where Ellie is coming from, she had such intense survivors guilt, and It doesn’t help that every time she tried to get him to tell her the truth he kept lying. But 2 years just felt so excessive. After everything they’d been through- the bond they had?? Just thrown out for two years.

Like she lived in his back yard. I know they saw each other all the time. It hurts so much to know that Joel missed out on her life for years. She was his second chance and he had to watch from a distance. And the show is going to hurt so much more since he opened up to her about the suicide attempt after Sarah.

At the University (in the game) Ellie starts asking Joel about how they’ll make the cure. It’s pretty obvious she has no clue how science/medicine works. I wish someone would’ve explained to her how hard making vaccines actually is. By getting rid of the only immune person they would’ve had no extra evidence to test

I have so many thoughts anon

first, we shake hands!! 2 years does seem excessive! especially with the fact they still live near each other! like, yes, I totally get being mad at him due to her survivors guilt, but 2 years?? you live in his backyard. surely you could've had a conversation? even though he did brush her off every single time. which could've been why it was 2 years, honestly. maybe ellie didn't want to be mad at joel for that whole time, but he kept brushing her off and lying to her. mmmmm more to think about.

yeah! I'm so very worried for season 2 because of the p a i n. I live in constant fear for how it's gonna play out. cause show joel and ellie are so much closer? at least it seems that way, because he did open up to her about his attempt and then let her know that she is what healed him ("it wasn't time that did it" EUEUEUE). so I'm hoping he'll let her know what really happened, but the creators like to stick closely to what actually happened, so the hopes are not that high. but! if he actually told her? I can see her forgiving him before he dies. totally. she'll still hold a resentment for him, but there'll be some forgiveness. and for him missing out on things? don't get me started, it makes me so sad. he missed her being with cat, probably missed the whole burning and tattoo as well*, and her becoming friends with jesse, and then her with dina D: I need the conversation between joel and ellie about dina. *he probably didn't entirely miss out on it, but he definitely didn't know about it until it happened.

and yes! she doesn't know how it works :( I hope someone explained it to her. maybe someone at the clinic. that way, she knows they are being truthful about what that process actually is. (and I think they briefly discussed it in the show, too! I think it was around the campfire because she tried to use her blood to heal sam). like, if joel had just told her what happened and it was still bugging her, she could've gone to one of the people at the clinic and asked what the actual process to getting a vaccine is. maybe don't even ask them, just try to find a book about it cause I'm sure there's at least one in the library. hopefully.

and mmmmmm killing off the only immune person?????? for a POSSIBILITY. there's no redo if you fuck it up. if you somehow contaminate the "samples," you can't take more and try again. you are killing the only immune person. the only person in 20 years. no one knows how she's immune. the fireflies have no way to know what makes ellie different. we, the show viewers, can take guesses, but we still don't even know. is it because anna was bit when delivering ellie? is it because anna cut her umbilical cord with infected blood? or is it a third thing, like there's something in anna's blood that somehow made ellie immune? but even with all those possibilities (the last one is very doubtful, I know), we still don't know, for sure, what made ellie immune. there's no way in hell the fireflies knew. so to kill her off? presumably without taking blood or anything else? just taking a scan of her brain and deciding to take it out? that is such a huge risk. and also????? did they really think about what making a cure would mean? how would they start civilization back up? none of the buildings are safe anymore, but the equipment to make them safe is very hard to get to and also the gas isn't good anymore. and did they stop to think about how the people are? how fedra higher ups are full of themselves and how no one is trustworthy or that trusting of others anymore? there are too many variables at play, and then to not be sure it would even work???

one of my friends just said the last of us was my "little special show." nobody hit me up, I will be inconsolable for the next 24 hours